NYT article says Tucker Carlson "the most racist show in the history of cable news"

[Breccia]

By the way, let's all remember this mass murderer, the white supremacist who intentionally murdered a bunch of black people, did specifically cite white replacement -- something Carlson has mentioned on his very show. Carlson is still heavily involved in this. The fact that the RNC are also led by a Nazi defender is also important, but part of a unified whole. "Some other guy said some other racism" is off-topic trolling.

[Edge-]

The fact that the RNC are also led by a Nazi defender is also important, but part of a unified whole.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/31/polit...sts/index.html

Or who think that saying, "Nazi's are bad" is some kinda attempted political gotcha.

[Endus]

Classic "but Trump" interjection. Put the buzzer back into your pocket, and respond to the post at hand.

No less a progressive than Ibram X Kendi stated that present racism is the solution to past racism. Progressives are absolutely concerned with racism. I'm not going to give you that one.

He's anti-conservatism. Calls it corporatism in disguise. Major left-wing talking point.
Restates opposition to conservatism in conclusion. (mild aside that he accuses conservatives of not believing in the race, kinda problematic there). Conservatives only interested in profits and wealth of the 1%. You'd think he asked MMO-C leftists what their problems with conservatives were, and adopted them.
Calls himself left-wing.
Calls himself a socialist, is fine with worker ownership of the means of production.
left-wing criticism of crypto (literally quotes jacobin.)
Green nationalism is the only true nationalism. Environmental protection and preservation. Population growth is bad, threatens the Green future.

But do please respond to the post, not one sentence of the post. I may have conclude you agree with me, but need a little more explanation of his internet grab-bag of ideologies.

You're the kind of person who actually thinks the Nazis were left-wing socialists, aren't you?

This hand-wavey garbage to try and deflect responsibility is gross as fuck. Just nakedly playing defense for the allies and inspiration behind a white supremacist mass murderer.

[Breccia]

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This hand-wavey garbage to try and deflect responsibility is gross as fuck.

Again, it's around they time you type "we're not all mass-murdering Nazis" that you have to ask if you've picked the wrong side. The one led by Nazi-defending Trump and Nazi-defending Carlson, in this case.

EDIT: General "you" of course not Endus. Endus is one of the most level-headed posters here, mostly because he files his horns down.

[eschatological]

Classic "but Trump" interjection. Put the buzzer back into your pocket, and respond to the post at hand.

No less a progressive than Ibram X Kendi stated that present racism is the solution to past racism. Progressives are absolutely concerned with racism. I'm not going to give you that one.

He's anti-conservatism. Calls it corporatism in disguise. Major left-wing talking point.
Restates opposition to conservatism in conclusion. (mild aside that he accuses conservatives of not believing in the race, kinda problematic there). Conservatives only interested in profits and wealth of the 1%. You'd think he asked MMO-C leftists what their problems with conservatives were, and adopted them.
Calls himself left-wing.
Calls himself a socialist, is fine with worker ownership of the means of production.
left-wing criticism of crypto (literally quotes jacobin.)
Green nationalism is the only true nationalism. Environmental protection and preservation. Population growth is bad, threatens the Green future.

But do please respond to the post, not one sentence of the post. I may have conclude you agree with me, but need a little more explanation of his internet grab-bag of ideologies.

Yes, mild aside, he criticizes conservatism for not being ANTI-BLACK and ANTI-SEMITE ENOUGH. Pretty big handwave.

He also says how he has moved further and further right since he was a kid, when he was sorta kinda moderate. And "Population growth is bad" is not a green policy at all, he just fallaciously ties it to green policy.

[tehdang]

You probably shouldn't have brought up the RNC if you weren't ready to bring Trump into it. This is on you.

EDIT: Actually, when you were trying to defend the RNC as not racist, and I pointed out how Nazi-defending Trump led it, did you honestly say "Don't bring Trump into it"? That's like talking about murder "but don't bring guns into it". Which, incidentally, is also an RNC thing.

Still haven't seen anything other than intentional lack of defense. "But someone else said racism!" doesn't defend a white supremacist who murdered 10 black people. Please post constructively.

You brought up the RNC. Careful.

By the way, let's all remember this mass murderer, the white supremacist who intentionally murdered a bunch of black people, did specifically cite white replacement -- something Carlson has mentioned on his very show. Carlson is still heavily involved in this. The fact that the RNC are also led by a Nazi defender is also important, but part of a unified whole. "Some other guy said some other racism" is off-topic trolling.

If you read and responded to posts, instead of just a single sentence, you'd know that white replacement has been cited in news articles and Democratic party politics as a good thing politically. If this is all party to the shooter's ideology, then Democrats, take a bow. You walked right into that one.

Oh, you don't want to identify as complicit? Well, admit that the backlash to mainstream leftist white replacement as demographic change is now legitimate political invective. But you still want Democrats to be able to cheer for white replacement and future political gains because of it? Congratulations, your logic makes you complicit in the shooting. "The Emerging Democratic Majority" wasn't invented by the right-wing, it was a best-seller. Political commentators are right to point out that there's no point in excusing it when your side does it, but decrying it when the other side takes note.

Yes, mild aside, he criticizes conservatism for not being ANTI-BLACK and ANTI-SEMITE ENOUGH. Pretty big handwave.

He also says how he has moved further and further right since he was a kid, when he was sorta kinda moderate. And "Population growth is bad" is not a green policy at all, he just fallaciously ties it to green policy.

You want to argue in good faith? Because you're missing the first two criticisms which are leftist critiques of conservatism. And Green policy absolutely criticizes population growth as a threat to the environment. Are you really this ignorant about ideological trends with the "lefty" tag? Or are you really committed to the proposition "anything vaguely anti-semitic and race-central is deeply right-wing, but anything vaguely green/lefty-green, anti-corporatist, anti-1% isn't left-wing, it has to be understood with nuance."

I'm back at the initial assertion. You're dedicated to ignoring or dismissing parts of the manifesto you dislike, and you try to wriggle out by ... continuing to ignore or dismiss parts of the manifesto. Mixed-bag internet-radicalized white supremacists exist, and they're no fans of either conservatism (by your own admission) or Tucker or Fox News. I'm really sorry that you can't admit it in your weird ideology, what might be called "Everything is Right-Wing Extremism, Nothing is Left-Wing Ideology." I hope you reconcile it, at length. If not in this forum, where you might suffer political left reputation loss, but in your own mind.

[Edge-]

Yes, mild aside, he criticizes conservatism for not being ANTI-BLACK and ANTI-SEMITE ENOUGH.

I haven't read whatever bullshit he wrote yet, but is this how he framed it? Because this is how I imagine he framed it.

[Ivanstone]

He's anti-conservatism. Calls it corporatism in disguise. Major left-wing talking point.
Restates opposition to conservatism in conclusion. (mild aside that he accuses conservatives of not believing in the race, kinda problematic there). Conservatives only interested in profits and wealth of the 1%. You'd think he asked MMO-C leftists what their problems with conservatives were, and adopted them.
Calls himself left-wing.
Calls himself a socialist, is fine with worker ownership of the means of production.
left-wing criticism of crypto (literally quotes jacobin.)
Green nationalism is the only true nationalism. Environmental protection and preservation. Population growth is bad, threatens the Green future.

He also claimed to be a fascist and decked out his weapon in neonazi rhetoric.
Green nationalism sounds progressive until your realize that survivalist nut jobs are the same way.

So which of his beliefs did he actually act on?
The shooting black people part. Nathan Bedford Forrest would be proud.

Modern corporations aren’t guaranteed to be in the racists corner like they used to be. I’m not shocked that there’s some back lash there. He still didn’t target corporations. Or people hurting the environment. Or even the Jewish Elites he claims to hate. He targeted black people. Lynch mobs used to take a lot of work. Now one asshole with an AR15 can do the work of a gang of Klansmen.

[Edge-]

I'm glad we're back to, "Actually this extreme right winger was really a leftist!"

After every right-wing mass shooting, this is the response. Along with "IT WAS A FALSE FLAG!". And "Suddenly we care deeply about mental health because it lets us ignore the continued problem of right-wing extremism and Nazi's!"

Homeboy was a fuckin nazi, lol. The dishonesty and water carrying for literal nazi's abound. Y'all do you, I'm gonna go watch a loop of Richard Spencer getting sucker punched for a while. Followed by that video of the Black guy absolutely knocking the fuck outta a nazi who suddenly realizing that maybe he, a manlet, isn't actually a member of the Master Race.

Watching nazi's get assaulted is my copium.

[Calfredd]

You want to argue in good faith?

Should probably not be throwing those stones sir, you might break your glass house.

[Breccia]

You brought up the RNC.

*ahem*

I'm not surprised that people use white supremacist terrorism as a sort of political weapon to brand all Republicans as inspiration for them or in league with them.

I brought it up first? What you said, is a lie. You are lying. The rest of your post is therefore handwaved since you have volunteered that you are not a good-faith poster.

[downnola]

He criticized Fox News as being run by Jews, and still you want to keep Tucker and Fox in there as inspiration?

Do you think Tucker's propaganda isn't shared across the different boards on 4chan both figuratively and literally? Do you think the kind of person who can be radicalized by 4chan in a year's time is thinking rationally, logically, and is incapable of contradictions? Your response isn't really needed because these are rhetorical questions that answer themselves.

Even if we put that argument aside, it doesn't matter if Carlson and Fox News are a direct inspiration for a radicalized shooter like this. 1 out of 3 Republicans believe the "Great White Replacement" is a major policy of the Democratic Party and threatens the United States as a country, and they believe it because it went from a paranoid, Klu-Klux Klan conspiracy theory to mainstream Republican political discourse on national television thanks to Fox News. There isn't a shred of truth to it, either. If anything, Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot because their overwhelming unpopular platform would actually get a boost from a largely Christian and conservative leaning population trying to immigrate to the United States from Mexico and South America. They're not white* and mostly Catholic though, so clearly they don't "share the same values" and are Bad Men™, so we better erect a wall and deploy a military at the border to keep them out.

*subject to change as the definition of "white" changes depending on who needs gatekeeped in/out of the club.

[Elegiac]

ITT: tehdang doesn't know what an ecofascist is.

[Endus]

If you read and responded to posts, instead of just a single sentence, you'd know that white replacement has been cited in news articles and Democratic party politics as a good thing politically.

Yeah, no. That's a lie. One that carries racist intent, no less.

Absolute fucking garbage disinformation. You're playing defense for white supremacist terrorism and mass murder, for ideological reasons. And you're exposing yourself in the process.

Conflating demographic shift with "white replacement" is absolutely dishonest, and the only motive that exists for that dishonest is racial prejudice and white nationalism.

Your posting here is nothing but deflection and whataboutism, trying to muddy waters that are actually pretty darned clear. Lies and disinformation, in support and defense of a violent Neo-Nazi mass murderer.

[unfilteredJW]

tehdang gone full yikes.

[Milchshake]

He's just plagiarizing Glenn Greenwald.

That used to e Theo's and Connal's bit.

[Breccia]

you'd know that white replacement has been cited in news articles and Democratic party politics as a good thing politically.

Then it would be trivial for you to cite at least one of each.

By the way, I don't think you'll find anything remotely official. But you go ahead, one elected Democrat publicly citing white replacement as a good thing, and one major news source, almost certainly an OP ED which, heh, I'll let you count as a news article because I'm feeling generous.

But I will point out that this is the third claim you've made in six hours that, when challenged, you deflected or refused to answer. Like that time you tried to say the white supremacist who drove to a black neighborhood to murder black people while screaming the N-word, was a leftist policy, because some other guy mentioned racism one time. That's a formal public admission of "I have no defense" of the shooter, who was following Carlson's white replacement policy you are now claiming is Democrats.

Go on. One elected Democrat official, one major news source article -- even an OP ED. You made the claim, you back it up.

[Mihalik]

tehdang gone full yikes.

He was always full yikes.

[unfilteredJW]

He was always full yikes.

Right. Just getting to Spinal Tap levels of adding another notch to the dial.

[Mihalik]

Go on. One elected Democrat official, one major news source article -- even an OP ED. You made the claim, you back it up.

What usually happens is that there's some statistic or article speech or something where they go like "US becoming more diverse and that is a good thing", then the brownshirts and the hwhites with "economic concerns" take that and run with it to "Look! The Dems want to exterminatus the hwhite race!".