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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    And the kind of people who are fine with abortion because "you can just adopt them out" are also generally the same people who want to prevent homosexual couples from participating in the adoption system.
    The GQP cares a great deal about you right up until you're born. Unless they need an abortion because "god said it was ok for me", then they don't even hold those principles.
    @Endus was right.

    If anyone is confused about the hypocrisy of the GQP, here is a primer:

    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Conservative ideologies in general, and Republican ideology specifically, boils down to only two maxims, once you scrape the surface. Literally only two. Everything else is just a specific example of those two. Those principles are as follows;

    1> We get to tell everyone else what to do.
    2> No one gets to tell us what to do.

    That's it. That's the entirety of conservativism summed up.

    That's why the "freeze peach" crowd will simultaneously rage against anything that limits their capacity to reach any audience, without any considerations for private property or other people's rights (they get to tell you to not limit their speech, while you don't get to tell them their speech is unwanted), while simultaneously and gleefully banning "liberals" or whatever off any platforms they can (they get to tell you to fuck off and shut up, obviously, and you don't get to tell them it's "unfair" or "unjustified").

    There's no hypocrisy, once you understand the true core principles at play.

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    So how vulnerable is same-sex marriage, hell marriage not defined rigged beliefs in general now? I SCOTUS is reaching deep into their Puritanical bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post


    Except I'd argue the political will about abortion has been pretty constant in the last couple decades. Not the same story for gay rights.
    I would argue that the Venn Diagram regarding people who oppose abortion and people that oppose Gay Marriage has some pretty serious overlap and that both of those circles are pretty much entirely encapsulated within the circle that represents the Republican Party.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    So how vulnerable is same-sex marriage, hell marriage not defined rigged beliefs in general now? I SCOTUS is reaching deep into their Puritanical bag.
    Very. Considering that all of it was mentioned in Thomas's opinion. Everything except interracial marriage. If they get rid of gay marriage, then how does interracial marriage stand up? Especially since Loving V Virginia was used as precedent for Obergefell V Hodges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    So how vulnerable is same-sex marriage, hell marriage not defined rigged beliefs in general now? I SCOTUS is reaching deep into their Puritanical bag.
    It's extremely vulnerable. Any issue regarding privacy is completely up for grabs. Thomas even said that issue "should be revisited", in the Revoking Roe concurring opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    I would argue that the Venn Diagram regarding people who oppose abortion and people that oppose Gay Marriage has some pretty serious overlap and that both of those circles are pretty much entirely encapsulated within the circle that represents the Republican Party.
    I would entirely agree. @Lenonis - it might not be entirely clear, but all those rights come from the right to privacy. Abortion, Gay Marriage, Gay relationships, etc. They stem, at least in the legal arena, from privacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Very. Considering that all of it was mentioned in Thomas's opinion. Everything except interracial marriage. If they get rid of gay marriage, then how does interracial marriage stand up? Especially since Loving V Virginia was used as precedent for Obergefell V Hodges.
    The dangerously deep hypocrisy of Thomas questioning Obergefell, which was based on Loving, is very, very frightening.

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    Feels like we're getting dangerously close to needing to do more than protesting against all this Republican bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    It's extremely vulnerable. Any issue regarding privacy is completely up for grabs. Thomas even said that issue "should be revisited", in the Revoking Roe concurring opinion.

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    I would entirely agree. @Lenonis - it might not be entirely clear, but all those rights come from the right to privacy. Abortion, Gay Marriage, Gay relationships, etc. They stem, at least in the legal arena, from privacy.

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    The dangerously deep hypocrisy of Thomas questioning Obergefell, which was based on Loving, is very, very frightening.
    Yep, ALL of them should be fucking impeached that were nominated by Trump for lying about precedent, and Thomas should be just for his wife and his decisions about the 2020 election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    you realize that by not being able to afford to feed, clothe and educate them can lead to a huge increase in them dying right?
    You realise killing them straight up is a 100% increase in them dying right?

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    Hey America can you stop making us Brits look good? Its our job to be the worlds shit stain.
    "People fear, not death, but having life taken from them. Many waste the life given to them, occupying themselves with things that do not matter. When the end comes, they say they did not have time enough to spend with loved ones, to fulfill dreams, to go on adventures they only talked about... But why should you fear death if you are happy with the life you have led, if you can look back on everything and say, 'Yes, I am content. It is enough.'" - Wynne ( Dragon Age: Origins.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Moose Fandango View Post
    Feels like we're getting dangerously close to needing to do more than protesting against all this Republican bullshit.
    I mean...to what end? What do most of the protests, in mostly blue cities in blue states, matter? Cool, SF and NYC are big into bodily autonomy and womens rights! Which aren't at risk in either CA or NY, so it's just a bunch of people feeling good about themselves going to a protest.

    I'm kinda over the whole protesting thing, at least the whole peaceful protest thing. It doesn't seem to fuckin work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    You realise killing them straight up is a 100% increase in them dying right?
    And now you are cheering women dying with unsafe abortions. Good fucking job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I mean...to what end? What do most of the protests, in mostly blue cities in blue states, matter? Cool, SF and NYC are big into bodily autonomy and womens rights! Which aren't at risk in either CA or NY, so it's just a bunch of people feeling good about themselves going to a protest.

    I'm kinda over the whole protesting thing, at least the whole peaceful protest thing. It doesn't seem to fuckin work.
    So political violence then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeek Daniels View Post
    Lol wut? Its almost as if society didnt prosper or know how to handle pregnancy's pre roe. And by Pre Roe i mean through out human history. People have been bringing babies to term for 1000's of years. I think in our advanced society we wouldnt be such babies about it and learn to just live with the fact that humans are born and someone needs to take care of them.
    I see someone doesn't know about infant or mother mortality rates for the last few thousand years. Hint: they're high, and you're ignorance is showing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    So political violence then?
    Republicans have been doing it for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    So political violence then?
    when words no longer work that's all you have left. You sure as fuck can't rely on Americans to fuckin vote or anything.
    Populists (and "national socialists") look at the supposedly secret deals that run the world "behind the scenes". Child's play. Except that childishness is sinister in adults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    Weird you've just described the left's reason for supporting illegal immigration.
    Yeeeeah. That's why we also support giving them good college opportunities, a path to citizenship, and medical care. Totally makes sense.

    You tried lol. 0/10 for effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    If you are talking about abandoning an infant at a hospital or fire station, then you know what happens with those kids? They go into an already overstressed system, where they are lucky if they get adopted.
    The annual adoption rate is roughly equal to the number of children that are actually possible to adopt. Infants are in high demand for adoption and most of the children that are "stuck" in the system are fosters.

    As someone who's grandfather grew up in an orphanage who went on to have a large and loving family I'd say I'm pretty certain he was happy to have the opportunity to live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    The annual adoption rate is roughly equal to the number of children that are actually possible to adopt. Infants are in high demand for adoption and most of the children that are "stuck" in the system are fosters.

    As someone who's grandfather grew up in an orphanage who went on to have a large and loving family I'd say I'm pretty certain he was happy to have the opportunity to live.
    Infants are in high demand, older the kid gets the less likely they are to be adopted.
    And it doesn't change the fact that the system is overstressed as is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    You realise killing them straight up is a 100% increase in them dying right?
    A zygote is not a human any more than a vague idea for a book is a published book. Ergo, abortion is not murder. Medical and scientific fact supersede your fallacious reasoning, no matter what 5 unelected, underqualified, date-raping, insurrectionist-marrying partisan hacks decided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    The annual adoption rate is roughly equal to the number of children that are actually possible to adopt. Infants are in high demand for adoption and most of the children that are "stuck" in the system are fosters.

    As someone who's grandfather grew up in an orphanage who went on to have a large and loving family I'd say I'm pretty certain he was happy to have the opportunity to live.
    Source? Or are you going with "trust me bro"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    The annual adoption rate is roughly equal to the number of children that are actually possible to adopt. Infants are in high demand for adoption and most of the children that are "stuck" in the system are fosters.

    As someone who's grandfather grew up in an orphanage who went on to have a large and loving family I'd say I'm pretty certain he was happy to have the opportunity to live.
    The fuck it is. There are MILLIONS of kids in the foster and adoption systems. Only about 135k children are adopted a year. And it takes on average 4 years just to get a fucking adoption, so stop fucking LYING.

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