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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    You do know that we have lots of people going topless in Europe ? Or did you meant the bottom for naughty bits ? (Though we also have naturist or nudist beach).

    And we do not agree about that. And hopefully, a majority of European agrees with me.
    Differences between rest of Europe and US--Ya'll don't have evangelicals...yet. When you get them man..it's like someone taking a turd in the punch bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    No...I thought Bluff was being optimistic. I was disagreeing with their post - I do not think this will galvanize the Democrats, and if it does, it won't be enough. I think the GQP smells blood in the water, and can see the fruits of their decades long labor paying off, and they will double down to keep winning.

    If we were going to see a YUGE influx of voters coming out of the woodwork, that would have happened in the 2020 election, voting down ticket.

    I think, will all due respect, perhaps my point wasn't clear to you. I could be missing something though - just shout.
    I think some people really underestimate precisely how little electoral power Americans actually have, and how disincentivizing that is to voters.

    If you're a left-winger, and you live in a red state, is your vote gonna make a difference? Even if everyone like you in that State votes? Not "every non-voter votes", as there's likely a lot of right-wingers who aren't bothering to vote because of their confidence that their guys will win regardless.

    And once you've factored that in, there's the Electoral College.

    I don't see a fix for this, not really. It may simply be that the American experiment has reached a failure condition, and it's a question of how long you can keep things strapped together before it's finally totally done. You can't always un-crack an egg, and all that; not all problems are solveable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Little derail. Burkini has no place in a pool or even a beach as long as they are public in Europe. Period.
    Yep. Tell women what they can or cannot wear. That'll definitely show how much you condemn another culture for telling women what they can or cannot wear.

    That's definitely an argument that makes sense and isn't just unthinking Islamophobia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I think some people really underestimate precisely how little electoral power Americans actually have, and how disincentivizing that is to voters.

    If you're a left-winger, and you live in a red state, is your vote gonna make a difference? Even if everyone like you in that State votes? Not "every non-voter votes", as there's likely a lot of right-wingers who aren't bothering to vote because of their confidence that their guys will win regardless.

    And once you've factored that in, there's the Electoral College.

    I don't see a fix for this, not really. It may simply be that the American experiment has reached a failure condition, and it's a question of how long you can keep things strapped together before it's finally totally done. You can't always un-crack an egg, and all that; not all problems are solveable.

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    Yep. Tell women what they can or cannot wear. That'll definitely show how much you condemn another culture for telling women what they can or cannot wear.

    That's definitely an argument that makes sense and isn't just unthinking Islamophobia.
    It is not islamophobia, it is putting religion in its place, in the private circle. You can wear a burkini in your bathroom if you want. Same for Hijab. Would be the same if some Christian wore religious clothes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I see people all over the place making the argument that a fetus is not a person, because [various good, scientific based reasons]. They argue that if it is a person, then the unborn fetus should be getting rights, and a SSN, and etc. People think that solid logic is a precursor to building back up the right to bodily autonomy (and therefore abortion).

    But to me, that seems like something the ignorant GQP would take as a challenge. I can easily see the GQP drafting up legislation giving unborn fetus' rights and SSN's and etc. I think this is another vehicle for the GQP to further erode women's rights.

    (and yes, I'm aware that the GQP doesn't need a reason to further erode women's rights, but this would be an easy vehicle to take away almost all autonomy of pregnant women)
    As I've said several times, if you took a living, post-birth baby, which is absolutely, definitively, 100% a "person" and fully possessing all the rights and freedoms of any human being, and re-inserted it into a woman's uterus and hooked it back up to everything, that woman should 100% always have the right to say "what the fuck? No! Get it out of me! I do not want this!"

    Even if the baby would die.

    Fetal personhood is irrelevant. It's a distraction pushed by religious extremists trying to make an emotional argument that skips right past their dehumanization of women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    It is not islamophobia, it is putting religion in its place, in the private circle. You can wear a burkini in your bathroom if you want. Same for Hijab. Would be the same if some Christian wore religious clothes.
    No, you're telling women how they can or cannot dress.

    It's exactly the same attitude as those who'd force a woman to wear a burqa. Literally, the same misogyny and intolerance and hatred. You and they are exactly alike.


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    Fetal personhood is irrelevant. It's a distraction pushed by religious extremists trying to make an emotional argument that skips right past their dehumanization of women.

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    As historians pointed out: The religious majority in the US as a coalition didn't start fighting abortion until after their leaders realized that religious segregation was not going to work anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    It is not islamophobia, it is putting religion in its place, in the private circle. You can wear a burkini in your bathroom if you want. Same for Hijab. Would be the same if some Christian wore religious clothes.
    It’s playing fashion police, plain and simple, a sentiment that runs quite antithetical to “letting people choose what to do with their bodies”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    As I've said several times, if you took a living, post-birth baby, which is absolutely, definitively, 100% a "person" and fully possessing all the rights and freedoms of any human being, and re-inserted it into a woman's uterus and hooked it back up to everything, that woman should 100% always have the right to say "what the fuck? No! Get it out of me! I do not want this!"

    Even if the baby would die.

    Fetal personhood is irrelevant. It's a distraction pushed by religious extremists trying to make an emotional argument that skips right past their dehumanization of women.

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    No, you're telling women how they can or cannot dress.

    It's exactly the same attitude as those who'd force a woman to wear a burqa. Literally, the same misogyny and intolerance and hatred. You and they are exactly alike.
    Nope, because I apply the same reasoning to men. No religious clothes (unless you are an imam, priest, etc...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    It is not islamophobia, it is putting religion in its place, in the private circle. You can wear a burkini in your bathroom if you want. Same for Hijab. Would be the same if some Christian wore religious clothes.
    So people are also not allowed to wear a cross around their neck either? Or jewish people wearing a Yamaka? Or Indian folk wearing turbans? And so on.

    What is the reason that you believe a muslim person should not wear something that they religion requests that they wear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    It is not islamophobia, it is putting religion in its place, in the private circle. You can wear a burkini in your bathroom if you want. Same for Hijab. Would be the same if some Christian wore religious clothes.
    ....have you seen nuns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    So people are also not allowed to wear a cross around their neck either? Or jewish people wearing a Yamaka? Or Indian folk wearing turbans? And so on.

    What is the reason that you believe a muslim person should not wear something that they religion requests that they wear?
    Do you still swear on the bible in the US ? And do you still have "IN god we trust" on $$ ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Nope, because I apply the same reasoning to men. No religious clothes (unless you are an imam, priest, etc...)
    And this is a lie. Religious garb's all over the place throughout Europe. Even aside from the actual religious figures (I saw far more priests, nuns, and robed monks in Europe than I ever had in North America), there's plenty of groups like Orthodox Jews who wear their garb publicly. And the baseline presumption of what proper clothing is derives fundamentally and directly from Christian garb.

    You just don't see it as "Christian" because to you, that's just "clothes". And it's the same for Muslims. What you're describing as "religious garb" generally isn't a religious mandate, it's just a cultural preference. And you want to force them to disrobe, which is just naked intolerance and hatred, and serves absolutely no function other than as a form of cultural genocide.

    It isn't defensible. It's just abusive and hateful. There is no possible gain from this.


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    Let's get back on topic.

    Additionally, please use your own thoughts/words. Repeatedly quoting politicians as a form of reply instead of actually engaging is borderline RP. Larping in the thread isn't appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Do you still swear on the bible in the US ? And do you still have "IN god we trust" on $$ ?
    Irrelevant to my question.

    To be kind, i'll answer it. Yeah, we do still have those things. and as an atheist I wish I wasn't forced to swear on a book that I personally believe is a work of fiction.

    But this is apples to oranges. Religious people are free to practice their religion. Where as you seem to feel differently. And i'm trying to have you explain why.
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    It's good to see that protests weren't very prevalent after this decision by the SCOTUS. In regards to the future, it is my belief that society will be focused on the elections in November.

    Regardless of the outcome, it is my sincere hope the nation can come together again. If not only to make Joe Biden's promise about unity come true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    And this is a lie. Religious garb's all over the place throughout Europe. Even aside from the actual religious figures (I saw far more priests, nuns, and robed monks in Europe than I ever had in North America), there's plenty of groups like Orthodox Jews who wear their garb publicly. And the baseline presumption of what proper clothing is derives fundamentally and directly from Christian garb.

    You just don't see it as "Christian" because to you, that's just "clothes". And it's the same for Muslims. What you're describing as "religious garb" generally isn't a religious mandate, it's just a cultural preference. And you want to force them to disrobe, which is just naked intolerance and hatred, and serves absolutely no function other than as a form of cultural genocide.

    It isn't defensible. It's just abusive and hateful. There is no possible gain from this.
    Use more hyperbole please, you are hilarious, and really pitiful. Also, as I said, religion people (nuns, priest, imam, etc...) are allowed because they are religion people. You do realize that in public school in France, no religious sign is authorized. Gnaw on that.

    End of derail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tikcol View Post
    It's good to see that protests weren't very prevalent after this decision by the SCOTUS. In regards to the future, it is my belief that society will be focused on the elections in November.

    Regardless of the outcome, it is my sincere hope the nation can come together again. If not only to make Joe Biden's promise about unity come true.
    Unity is dead. Unity was never coming back. North should've dared the South to try and rise up again in 1877 and they should've sent Sherman back down there to show them another lesson. Had that happened we'd have a unified country. But nah the rural populations are hell bent on wiping their urban populations out.

    As I said: Time to start looking into retiring to Canada or Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Dude, since when has that ever happened on here? I am quite literally known for telling people that to be ignored as they continued to feed them.

    I mean I outright started trolling myself overtly and told them how to handle it and still got 2 pages.

    You can troll here forever and so long as you aren’t overt to the point of outright admitting it and also giving them a flashlight and a map to handle the interaction they will continue.
    That’s not what you are known for. lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miffinat0r View Post
    Unity is dead. Unity was never coming back. North should've dared the South to try and rise up again in 1877 and they should've sent Sherman back down there to show them another lesson. Had that happened we'd have a unified country. But nah the rural populations are hell bent on wiping their urban populations out.

    As I said: Time to start looking into retiring to Canada or Ireland.
    I refrain from dividing the country into geo-political spheres. It hurts the nation more than some realise. I'd wager everyone would be happier in the United States, rather than the State of X Y or Z.

    There's always room for compromise on some issues and this is where I believe the political spheres should be focusing on. There is time to iron-out the specifics as long as there is good will on both sides.

    As Henry Ford once said:

    "Coming together is a beginning. Keeping together is progress. Working together is success."
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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    That’s not what you are known for. lol.
    Known for telling you to stop feeding the pigeons, definitely known for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tikcol View Post
    It's good to see that protests weren't very prevalent after this decision by the SCOTUS. In regards to the future, it is my belief that society will be focused on the elections in November.

    Regardless of the outcome, it is my sincere hope the nation can come together again. If not only to make Joe Biden's promise about unity come true.
    Nah, the republicans in office have made damn sure over the passed few years that unity is never going to happen. And decisions to erode people's personal rights solidify that.

    Next step. War.
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