1. #481
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    True, they don't think a 13 year old is adult enough to make her own decisions, but is adult enough to bear the responsibility of raising a child.

    Weird how none of the conservative "logic" actually makes any sense.
    Nah, they think she can just drop it off at the fire dept. and it’ll be adopted within the week.

  2. #482
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Not when states like Oklahoma are even making that illegal to go to other states to get an abortion.
    At which point I am open to states implementing laws in their states that allows them to arrest and put politicians on trial from other states for attempting to subvert their laws within their own borders or any officers attempting to enforce such laws.

    If it is legal to get an abortion in my state and you create a law that attempts to undermine it and outlaw it while in my state, you are in violation of the law and will be arrested when captured. Start making it where the politicians passing the laws have to walk on eggshells when they travel the country because of their actions.

    Then the Supreme Court would be stuck between striking down both laws or allowing those politicians it stew in prison for violating the sovereignty of another state within the union. This isn't like what Matt Gaetz tried crossing state lines and you can split hairs sharp enough to splice atoms and that won't change.
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  3. #483
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Nah, they think she can just drop it off at the fire dept. and it’ll be adopted within the week.
    And paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills for the experience is perfectly fine.

  4. #484
    Gee, it's almost like making SCOTUS a for-life job was a bad, bad idea.

  5. #485
    Quote Originally Posted by bladeXcrasher View Post
    I drew the direct line between the literal "constitutional originalism" of Alito's opinion here) and his opinion on same sex marriage and interracial marriage) to the second amendment and it's lack of explicitly stating that it provides the right for the individual to bear arms for personal self defense. The "libertarian" that I drew this line for has yet to process that shit. I don't know if it's a case of "not my fucking problem" or what, but idiots like him are either oblivious to the consequences of such actions or so comfortable in their privilege they have convinced themselves this shit could never happen to them.
    The very notion that "the Constitution doesn't explicitly mentions it thus there can't be federal laws about it lol" is farcical to the point of the absurd. Does it mean Congress cannot legislate on cell phones, airplanes, skyscrapers, tanks, video games or soft drinks? Because none of those existed when it was written so you know, tough luck. Leave the management of all air traffic to the States, ya'll.

    There's a reason the people who wrote the damn thing included a provision for amendments. They were quite aware interpretations and morals change over time.
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  6. #486
    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    The very notion that "the Constitution doesn't explicitly mentions it thus there can't be federal laws about it lol" is farcical to the point of the absurd. Does it mean Congress cannot legislate on cell phones, airplanes, skyscrapers, tanks, video games or soft drinks? Because none of those existed when it was written so you know, tough luck. Leave the management of all air traffic to the States, ya'll.

    There's a reason the people who wrote the damn thing included a provision for amendments. They were quite aware interpretations and morals change over time.
    You're misunderstanding his justification. It's not that there can't be laws about it, it's strict constructionism to an absurd degree. If the Constitution doesn't mention it, then the Constitution can't be interpreted to include it. That there are no federal laws ensuring abortion access is what's allowing this to happen.

  7. #487
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  8. #488
    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Moose Fandango View Post
    Gee, it's almost like making SCOTUS a for-life job was a bad, bad idea.
    The SCOTUS has been corrupted by forced birth religious fascists.
    A Fetus is not a person under the 14th amendment.

    Christians are Forced Birth Fascists against Human Rights who indoctrinate and groom children. Prove me wrong.

  9. #489
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    You're misunderstanding his justification. It's not that there can't be laws about it, it's strict constructionism to an absurd degree. If the Constitution doesn't mention it, then the Constitution can't be interpreted to include it. That there are no federal laws ensuring abortion access is what's allowing this to happen.
    Then it is worse than I imagined.

    The issue with a federal law of course, assuming the Dems could even pass it, is that the Republicans would overturn it as soon as they are able to.
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  10. #490
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    They are ahead of that a lot of these red states have made traveling anywhere else to get an abortion against the law. It's just a matter of time before they start hauling pregnant women to prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    You're misunderstanding his justification. It's not that there can't be laws about it, it's strict constructionism to an absurd degree. If the Constitution doesn't mention it, then the Constitution can't be interpreted to include it. That there are no federal laws ensuring abortion access is what's allowing this to happen.
    It's not a justification it's basically them giving the country the middle finger saying justification nothing we can do whatever we want. That opinion basically says they can overturn whatever law they want because they can, gay marriage, interracial marriage, civil rights it doesn't matter we are going back to 1787.

  11. #491
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    They are ahead of that a lot of these red states have made traveling anywhere else to get an abortion against the law. It's just a matter of time before they start hauling pregnant women to prison.
    Oh I know… but another country wanting to help and support American women, is amazing to see.
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  12. #492
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapemask View Post
    I'm sorry, I just can't stop eyerolling at conservative response to this right now.

    Imagine what shit must be in your skull to say the leak is the scandal here. "The real bad guy is the one who alerted us to what the bad guys were doing." Like just imagine how much it must disgust anyone to be around that kind of person, because of the rancid odor pouring out of their earholes from the giant mount of festering dog shit where a brain ought to be.
    What else are they supposed to do? They know their position on this is completely indefensible, so they have to deflect to something.

  13. #493
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    And paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills for the experience is perfectly fine.
    Pfft, pass that along to the rich people who adopt them. Social services are communism!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    @cubby

    You seem like the best person to ask this, I have been looking through the opinion some. I heard it was worded so broadly that it theoretically could also be used as a basis to attack gay marriage and potentially sodomy laws as well.

    I read it some, little by little, trying to go back to the whole "The constitution does not call out abortions directly" as an excuse. But is that really broad enough to be expanded into that or did they read too much into it?

    I know the GOP would put them on the chopping block in short order if they can, but is this really worded to be a step in that direction already?
    The leaked material is frighteningly vague, and seems to cover just about everything related to privacy. So that's troubling on it's own.

    However, the even bigger picture is that they are essentially tossing aside established law for a strict constructionist view point. Moreover, it seems that at least one of the Justices essentially promised that Roe would be left alone.

    The whole development begins at Level: Horrifying, and just gets worse from there.

  15. #495
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapemask View Post
    I'm sorry, I just can't stop eyerolling at conservative response to this right now.

    Imagine what shit must be in your skull to say the leak is the scandal here. "The real bad guy is the one who alerted us to what the bad guys were doing." Like just imagine how much it must disgust anyone to be around that kind of person, because of the rancid odor pouring out of their earholes from the giant mount of festering dog shit where a brain ought to be.
    What this really says is they wanted to have this over and done while people were distracted by other matters This leaker fucked up their plans to stealth kill Roe v Wade and now they want blood.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    They are ahead of that a lot of these red states have made traveling anywhere else to get an abortion against the law. It's just a matter of time before they start hauling pregnant women to prison.
    It's fine, Canada has a long-standing policy of lying to the faces of abusive governments when it comes to factors like this. You come here for an abortion and you're gonna face persecution back home? Then it was for a consultation on your gastro complaints or back pain or somethin'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    It's fine, Canada has a long-standing policy of lying to the faces of abusive governments when it comes to factors like this. You come here for an abortion and you're gonna face persecution back home? Then it was for a consultation on your gastro complaints or back pain or somethin'.
    This is how rich women have gotten around abortion laws in the past.

    It is always "not an abortion."
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  18. #498
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    The leaked material is frighteningly vague, and seems to cover just about everything related to privacy. So that's troubling on it's own.

    However, the even bigger picture is that they are essentially tossing aside established law for a strict constructionist view point. Moreover, it seems that at least one of the Justices essentially promised that Roe would be left alone.

    The whole development begins at Level: Horrifying, and just gets worse from there.
    What I was thinking, things might get pretty bad over this. Especially if the Democrats don't get their asses in gear. Honestly hoping they actually prove my views on them wrong and they address this before it gets so extreme that they have no choice.

    Also sad I know a few people who I am betting money are likely cheering this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    It's fine, Canada has a long-standing policy of lying to the faces of abusive governments when it comes to factors like this. You come here for an abortion and you're gonna face persecution back home? Then it was for a consultation on your gastro complaints or back pain or somethin'.
    Nah, she just had a vaginal infection that had to be dealt with. Not really lying at all at that point as that is really what a pregnancy is until it reaches a point of consciousness and/or emotion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    It's fine, Canada has a long-standing policy of lying to the faces of abusive governments when it comes to factors like this. You come here for an abortion and you're gonna face persecution back home? Then it was for a consultation on your gastro complaints or back pain or somethin'.
    "Unfortunately, the procedure resulted in a miscarriage. Nothing could be done."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    "Unfortunately, the procedure resulted in a miscarriage. Nothing could be done."
    Unfortunately, some of these states are putting in laws where such a procedure will still be investigated.

    I don't like abortions personally, but I rather live in a world where they happen than live in a world where they don't because they are banned. No one should be brought into this world unwanted.
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