SCOTUS draft to remove Roe V Wade leaked

[Jastall]

BREAKING: Louisiana Republicans have voted HB 813 out of committee (7-2), defining a fertilized egg as a human. HB 813 makes abortion at any point a homicide, with no exception for minors, rape, incest, or ectopic pregnancies. This is beyond horrific.
https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/stat...H3diqy7zg&s=19

Oh, that's the beginning. The iron is hot and it will be struck with extreme prejudice. Expect more laws like this, attempts to stop people from going out of state to get an abortion, and a push for nationwide ban as soon as humanly possible.

But remembers guys, it's all about state's right /s.

[Azadina]

Same right back at you. If none of those questions on proposed legislation matter to you, and you don't even regard it as a question of values, then maybe you're the impediment to compromise

Why don't you go fucking compromise on your OWN RIGHTS?

[Endus]

You're choosing to miss the point that you hold a great number of moral opinions on issues that affect others. Calling abortion special, like there's no possibility or debate on the other participant in the abortion, is asinine.

The "other participant?". The doctor?

You can't mean the fetus. I'm not going to entertain religious mythology as a valid argument for restricting women's rights. Religion is never a valid basis for legislation. Any such is religious subjugation of everyone who does not share that faith.

And no; there is not a single argument about treating the fetus this way that does not boil down to a religious doctrine at some level.

Spare me the lunacy of enraged religious bigots who seek to subjugate women into breeding livestock.

[Xyonai]

The biggest issue with these 'But the states tho!' arguments is that it's fundamentally flawed to give individual states power over civil rights legislation (And I found the right to an abortion as a 'Civil right' because it's an extension of one's bodily autonomy and very directly affects a specific demographic).

Not everyone has the means or the opportunity to just pick and choose what states they want to live in, so getting unlucky in the game of 'which civil liberties will you be granted/denied in this plot of land!' just compounds the problem

[Kaleredar]

The biggest issue with these 'But the states tho!' arguments is that it's fundamentally flawed to give individual states power over civil rights legislation (And I found the right to an abortion as a 'Civil right' because it's an extension of one's bodily autonomy and very directly affects a specific demographic).

Not everyone has the means or the opportunity to just pick and choose what states they want to live in, so getting unlucky in the game of 'which civil liberties will you be granted/denied in this plot of land!' just compounds the problem

Again, it's all just a thin "justification" for unilaterally applying their own morality. And they will apply which laws they see fit, or don't see fit, in order to reinforce it.

When states do things they don't like they are the first to clamor that the federal government should stop them. This was especially prevalent under Trump. Now that they control neither the Executive nor legislative branches, they're defaulting to the judicial branch to exert that control for them.

[zorkuus]

BREAKING: Louisiana Republicans have voted HB 813 out of committee (7-2), defining a fertilized egg as a human. HB 813 makes abortion at any point a homicide, with no exception for minors, rape, incest, or ectopic pregnancies. This is beyond horrific.
https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/stat...H3diqy7zg&s=19

Religion is a mental illness.

[Flarelaine]

I'm just stating how ridiculous it is to put a 6 week clock on it. Discover your pregnant at 5.5 weeks and you have 3 days to decide if you want to keep it.

... not to mention scheduling an appointment.

[Mihalik]

BREAKING: Louisiana Republicans have voted HB 813 out of committee (7-2), defining a fertilized egg as a human. HB 813 makes abortion at any point a homicide, with no exception for minors, rape, incest, or ectopic pregnancies. This is beyond horrific.
https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/stat...H3diqy7zg&s=19

Because they of course fucking did. Fucking psychopathic lunatics.

I vote we define any ejaculated spermatozoa as a human. So every time a guy jerks one out into a sock he should be prosecuted for mass homicide.

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How can the states in any way accurately represent the values of all their residents, though? I mean, you've said this is a question of values, right? You feel the federal level is too broad, but somehow the state level is "just right".

Also, why the fuck "the state"?

Why not the county? In Texas why can't Houston, Austin, Dallas or San Antonio have abortion legal?

[Darththeo]

I heard 6 weeks (WaPo)

That is literally just 2 weeks after a missed period because of how pregnancy is defined.

Some women may not have noticed they missed their period and women can miss their missed their period for other reasons than just pregnancy.

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BREAKING: Louisiana Republicans have voted HB 813 out of committee (7-2), defining a fertilized egg as a human. HB 813 makes abortion at any point a homicide, with no exception for minors, rape, incest, or ectopic pregnancies. This is beyond horrific.
https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/stat...H3diqy7zg&s=19

No exception for ectopic pregnancies? So, that is going to kill any woman that has one.

[Levelfive]

Why don't you go fucking compromise on your OWN RIGHTS?

That's the thing with this whole glib "now the states can decide"--women's fundamental humanity shouldn't be up for a vote, and I'm not sure what's more fundamental than control of your own body and life trajectory.

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That is literally just 2 weeks after a missed period because of how pregnancy is defined.

Some women may not have noticed they missed their period and women can miss their missed their period for other reasons than just pregnancy.

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No exception for ectopic pregnancies? So, that is going to kill any woman that has one.

There's a video circulating on twitter of an elected official proudly telling his audience that he's against ALL exceptions to abortion, including to save the life of the mother. He repeats it several times, because he's bragging.

[Darththeo]

There's a video circulating on twitter of an elected official proudly telling his audience that he's against ALL exceptions to abortion, including to save the life of the mother. He repeats it several times, because he's bragging.

Is that the same one who doesn't understand what an ectopic pregnancy is?

[Levelfive]

Is that the same one who doesn't understand what an ectopic pregnancy is?

I don't think so, but they're all starting to blur together now tbf: https://twitter.com/i/status/1521331562230472704

I've been tempted to think they just don't understand what an ectopic pregnancy is, but given the above, maybe they actually do.

[Darththeo]

I don't think so, but they're all starting to blur together now tbf: https://twitter.com/i/status/1521331562230472704

I've been tempted to think they just don't understand what an ectopic pregnancy is, but given the above, maybe they actually do.

That wasn't the one I was referring to, but given how uninformed these politicians are, yeah, it is starting to blur.

[Al Gorefiend]

At this point it would probably take violence to move those worthless shits off their asses. And repealing rights for vast swathes of the population is probably a pretty good ticket to that.

Violence really is beginning to feel like the only power we have against backwoods politicians anymore.

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Also I encourage all men in this thread to get vasectomies, it's pretty much becoming a humblebrag that you're capable of consequence-free sex.

[szechuan]

Homicide is the leading cause of death for pregnant women in the United States, a new study found

https://www.insider.com/pregnant-wom...t-says-2021-12

[UnifiedDivide]

BREAKING: Louisiana Republicans have voted HB 813 out of committee (7-2), defining a fertilized egg as a human. HB 813 makes abortion at any point a homicide, with no exception for minors, rape, incest, or ectopic pregnancies. This is beyond horrific.
https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/stat...H3diqy7zg&s=19

It was bad enough just reading half way through, then I got to the "no exceptions" at the end...

What in the ever-living fuck is wrong with these states? And people think this is the best option? Did this decision represent every constituent?

Excuse me while I go knock one out and freely kill hundreds of millions of unborn children. Oh? What's that? I'm free to blow my load as often as I want and face no legal repercussions. Boy, bodily autonomy sure is cool.

[Gehco]

This monster is something created outside of the control of gender, fed by religious and conservative behavior to attempt to steal away the freedom of others so they can feel their land is "free". They have no intention of helping the many problems this will cause in the future. There are no exceptions in the minds of these disgusting people.

[Mehrunes]

Same right back at you. If none of those questions on proposed legislation matter to you, and you don't even regard it as a question of values, then maybe you're the impediment to compromise.

It's only a question of "values" in the sense slavery was. I.e. only on most technical level. But other than that the so called values of conservatives are (as per usual) so reprehensible that to continue entertaining them as valid by even calling them "values" leaves a bad taste in the mouth of anyone who isn't mentally stuck in the dark ages.

If anything, conservatives had a stronger leg to stand on in regards to slavery because in its case there was at least some kind of conflict between the rights of two people (under the archaic concept of property rights of the time where said rights could extend to owning other humans, but still). But a fetus isn't a person, so there's no conflict here.

[bladeXcrasher]

... not to mention scheduling an appointment.

Or in the case of places like TX, 2 appointments because 1 isn't inconvenient or stressful enough on it's own.

[Fugus]

BREAKING: Louisiana Republicans have voted HB 813 out of committee (7-2), defining a fertilized egg as a human. HB 813 makes abortion at any point a homicide, with no exception for minors, rape, incest, or ectopic pregnancies. This is beyond horrific.
https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/stat...H3diqy7zg&s=19

Aren’t they also one of the 13 states that made it legal for a full grown adult to fuck children?