1. #1521
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Meanwhile, Narc fuckin Collins over in Maine is callin the cops on some polite chalk messages talking about damaging public property and shit.

    It sure is interesting the difference between how members of different political parties handle and respond to protests. Democrats seem to largely welcome/accept/tolerate them. Republicans get super fuckin triggered.
    And the cops said no crime had been committed and the message wasn’t threatening. Buzzfeed, I know, talked to the woman behind the message and she had some great points about Collins.

    "It was never meant to be like an 'under the cover of darkness' type of thing," Jane, who asked to be referred to only by her nickname, told BuzzFeed News. "It was just two women fed up with not being able to talk to their representative, and it’s a beautiful day, so we grabbed some chalk and took to the streets."

    "Susan Collins hasn't held a town hall meeting for her constituents in over 20 years," Jane said. "When we email her, when we call her, all we ever get back is whatever form letter response she's sending out that week. We're sick of being ignored and dismissed and thought that we should try a more creative approach."
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...lker-interview

  2. #1522
    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    Republican Who Put Tent on Nancy Pelosi's Lawn Slams DeSantis Protest Law



    Who's the special snowflake now?

    Although San Franciscans probably have much thicker skin when it comes to political rallies and protests. I swear there are always some kind of protests each week. They are considered free entertainment. FunCheapSF even published a schedule of planned protests in the Bay Area.
    As much as Loomer is crazy in a lot of ways, she is right on this. If you are on public property just holding signs up to make a point not threatening anyone, you are exercising your First Amendment rights. It shouldn't matter if it is in a park or on the sidewalk/street in front of a house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    As much as Loomer is crazy in a lot of ways, she is right on this. If you are on public property just holding signs up to make a point not threatening anyone, you are exercising your First Amendment rights. It shouldn't matter if it is in a park or on the sidewalk/street in front of a house.
    Feels real fuckin weird being on the same side of an issue as Loomer, but I guess there are bound to be at least a few things we agree on. Like pizza is delicious, or that peaceful protest on public property is a First Amendment protected right and states cannot legislate that away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Only gonna quote the first one, but certainly a thread that should be read.
    Rep. Thomas Massie describes people who decide to have an abortion as "those who would prematurely end the life of their baby."

    "The baby is not the body of the woman that it's inside of," he adds.
    That. Is. The. Fucking. Point. You. Egg.

    The fetus inside her womb is not part of her body, and that means if she doesn't want it inside her body, it should be removed. Literally the entire argument for pro-choice.

    That Massie think it's an argument for pro-life just demonstrates how little consideration he gives to women as being people, at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    That. Is. The. Fucking. Point. You. Egg.

    The fetus inside her womb is not part of her body, and that means if she doesn't want it inside her body, it should be removed. Literally the entire argument for pro-choice.

    That Massie think it's an argument for pro-life just demonstrates how little consideration he gives to women as being people, at all.
    An easy way I have described it which merges the whole scientific and religious views on it is by describing it like this. I had it shut down any response they could give.

    “Your soul isn’t in your hand, your feet, your genitals, or even your brain itself. It’s your consciousness, your thoughts, your feelings, your hopes and your fears. Until that is there, you aren’t.

    Aborting a fetus that hasn’t developed a consciousness is no more a murder than unplugging your brain dead relative off life support. The relatives soul has left the body while the fetus never had one yet and until It does, it isn’t a person, just a mound of flesh.

    And if you want to argue about potential for life instead of whether it actually has a soul or not. Then science has already figured out how to turn mature cells back into stem cells and can potentially even inject them into an egg and create a baby so by your logic the skin flakes off my ass are as sacred as your children which is stupid to suggest but where a proposal of potential takes it.

    So, it isn’t about what was or could be but what is. And if the consciousness isn’t there, then it isn’t murder.”


    That leaves them with the choice of saying that unplugging their family member is murder which many of them won’t agree with and even call it a mercy or them having to say my ass skin is as sacred as their kids. Not response to it yet that wasn’t just acceptance or scoffing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    That leaves them with the choice of saying that unplugging their family member is murder
    Do you not remember the Schiavo business where they were arguing exactly that when they thought they could use that case as a club against pro-choice people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    Do you not remember the Schiavo business where they were arguing exactly that when they thought they could use that case as a club against pro-choice people?
    Sorry, I do not.

    There was a group that argued unplugging a brain dead relative on life support should be a murder charge?

    Edit: Found it

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_case
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    Al Franken spitting facts.

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    So pro-life that almost the entire Republican House voted against additional funding for the FDA to help try to boost production indirectly - more funding for inspectors to ensure plants coming back online are safe, keeping fake baby formula out of the market and more. IT's not much, $28M is literally nothing for the US government.

    But it's telling that Republicans seem to largely have lined up against this bill intended to help mothers keep their newborns fed as de-regulated capitalism fails us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post


    So pro-life that almost the entire Republican House voted against additional funding for the FDA to help try to boost production indirectly - more funding for inspectors to ensure plants coming back online are safe, keeping fake baby formula out of the market and more. IT's not much, $28M is literally nothing for the US government.

    But it's telling that Republicans seem to largely have lined up against this bill intended to help mothers keep their newborns fed as de-regulated capitalism fails us.
    Any reasoning presented beyond “the democrats support it, so we must oppose it?”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Any reasoning presented beyond “the democrats support it, so we must oppose it?”
    If you read the text there’s literally nothing they could be objecting to in it aside from Dem’s trying to squash a talking point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Any reasoning presented beyond “the democrats support it, so we must oppose it?”
    Not sure, but probably "We don't need no inspectors! Sure there have been problems with bacteria contaminating baby formula that needed to be pulled off the shelves due to unsanitary production facilities exacerbating this current shortage, but those inspectors that would ideally catch those problems before they're a problem that finds its way into the food."

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    some context from someone on Reddit.

    I hate Republicans as much as the next person, but this tweet is extremely deceptive. There were 2 bills put to a vote. The first one allowed WIC to waive restrictions on brands states are allowed to buy. One HUGE contributing factor to the crisis is states have contracts with a single company to buy formula, they're not allowed to buy from other companies. That bill waives those contracts and will allow states to put needed formula into poor mother's hands. Only 9 Republics voted against that and as you would think, it's the worst of the bunch. The 2nd one was 28 million dollars that went SPECIFICALLY to the FDA to take fraudulent product of the shelves and boost the amount of inspectors. 192 Republicans voted against that bill because there was nothing in that bill that was a plan for the FDA to help combat the crisis. It was 28 million going to the FDA for a small, specific reason. So no, 192 Republicans didn't vote against the formula crisis. In actuality, 9 shitty human beings voted against the bill that would actually do something to combat the crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armael View Post
    some context from someone on Reddit.
    Except that increased inspections is necessary given that, apparently, part of the shortage is due to contamination at production facilities, no? And given the lack of supply, it increases the chances of fake/harmful product finding its way onto store shelves or online stores that could harm infants/babies. It's a fairly paltry sum of money honestly.

    Simply addressing the current crisis is fine and all, but there needs to be more done to head off future crisis like this, and the second bill seemed to be a tip-toe in that direction.

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    I hate Republicans as much as the next person, but this tweet is extremely deceptive. There were 2 bills put to a vote. The first one allowed WIC to waive restrictions on brands states are allowed to buy. One HUGE contributing factor to the crisis is states have contracts with a single company to buy formula, they're not allowed to buy from other companies. That bill waives those contracts and will allow states to put needed formula into poor mother's hands. Only 9 Republics voted against that and as you would think, it's the worst of the bunch. The 2nd one was 28 million dollars that went SPECIFICALLY to the FDA to take fraudulent product of the shelves and boost the amount of inspectors. 192 Republicans voted against that bill because there was nothing in that bill that was a plan for the FDA to help combat the crisis. It was 28 million going to the FDA for a small, specific reason. So no, 192 Republicans didn't vote against the formula crisis. In actuality, 9 shitty human beings voted against the bill that would actually do something to combat the crisis.
    Was pointing out that there were 2 bills, and the more immediate and most helpful towards this immediate crisis was passed (in the House). Otherwise no one was stating that anything got done, just going on our merry way to make it seem like nothing was passed at all. Yes, the other bill not getting but 12 R votes is shitty and all, but yes, the tweet was misleading.
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  17. #1537
    Quote Originally Posted by Armael View Post
    Was pointing out that there were 2 bills, and the more immediate and most helpful towards this immediate crisis was passed (in the House). Otherwise no one was stating that anything got done, just going on our merry way to make it seem like nothing was passed at all. Yes, the other bill not passing is shitty and all, but yes, the tweet was misleading.
    They both passed. It's just noting that a lot of Republicans voted against it despite railing against the very crisis they're designed to address.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armael View Post
    Was pointing out that there were 2 bills, and the more immediate and most helpful towards this immediate crisis was passed (in the House). Otherwise no one was stating that anything got done, just going on our merry way to make it seem like nothing was passed at all. Yes, the other bill not getting but 12 R votes is shitty and all, but yes, the tweet was misleading.
    It wasn’t a small specific reason, it was a big specific reason. To address the formula shortage. The republicans voted to do nothing but talk and against spending any money to fix the problem.

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