SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[DarkTZeratul]

i'd say the 35th or 36th trimester is about the maximum point at which it's OK to have an abortion, any time after that it starts getting a bit dicey about whether or not you're terminating a viable life.

So... Any time before the kid is a teenager?

[Malkiah]

So... Any time before the kid is a teenager?

yes. it's usually around 10-12 (varies from one individual to the next) that they start becoming actual people and there being any discernible difference between them, so that's when we should probably let them keep on going.

[Nurasu]

Oh, okay, so you're just not interested in actually getting anything done. Gotcha.

Do you have a workable alternative or are you just gonna sit there and stew in resentment poisoning?

Unfortunately not; I just have to vote and hope "this is the time, guys" actually turns out to be the time, this time. Obviously it'll be much more catastrophic for Conservatives to continue their agenda than for Dems to do nothing.

[Malkiah]

Disheartening to see all the MAGA shits gloating about this on social media. Seems to be a lot of "we're just getting started" too. It's not about women's health or the sanctity of life, it's about owning the libs. What a mess.

sadly this is what happens when let twitter be one half of your federal government, since that's basically what the GOP is - it's not a political body, it's a cultural movement that we let be charge of a first world country.

[Crissi]

nice to see Texas going full Chiristofacist. Trigger law has made it so that unless Im actively dying, I cant get an abortion.

Texas is a failed state on the levels of other religiously ruled countries. I hate it here. If I ever get the chance to move, Im taking it.

[Elegiac]

Disheartening to see all the MAGA shits gloating about this on social media. Seems to be a lot of "we're just getting started" too. It's not about women's health or the sanctity of life, it's about owning the libs. What a mess.

Just remember that in the case of Twitter at least, 80% of posts are made by like 2% of Americans.

They're a very loud but ultimately a bitter and increasingly tenuous minority.

[uuuhname]

Engaging with politics is important, but be reminded that people thinking “all politicians are the same” is part of what caused this whole debacle.

no, it's the system itself that allowed this to happen, I'm sick and tired of playing on it's terms, and THAT'S the part that makes you and other's uneasy. an actual desire to see material change instead of doing the good citizen routine and voting for the right people every 2 years.

American democracy (not democracy itself) is broken, the institutions are useless and need to be tossed the hell out. anything short of that is just trying to cover the problems up with duct tape.

[Belize]

sadly this is what happens when let twitter be one half of your federal government, since that's basically what the GOP is - it's not a political body, it's a cultural movement that we let be charge of a first world country.

Please, America is the richest 3rd world country and has been for the past 20+ years.

[uuuhname]

just a reminder: Dem leadership will cover for anti abortion politicians in it's own party but they will totally stand up to Republicans on this issue....

[cubby]

So is this where we are piling on people who were warned what was at stake if Trump won in 2016 and they refused to listen because they were upset that Hillary didn't pander to them?

Precisely. The 6-3 conservative majority is the sin que non of the conservative minority's victory over the "socialist democrats", and essentially, their vehicle for autocratic control of the United States.

We've already seen that block vote in the following:

Abortions are illegal.
Private religious schools (with illegal hiring practices) can get state and federal dollars.
Gun rights expanded.

We'll see individual rights slowly erode, and the right to privacy almost vanish entirely. This is what the Trump victory did, and why the GQP didn't care a lick what Trump did or said, so long as he appointed the judges McConnell wanted. Their victory has been 30 years in the making, and today it began.

[Zaydin]

no, it's the system itself that allowed this to happen, I'm sick and tired of playing on it's terms, and THAT'S the part that makes you and other's uneasy. an actual desire to see material change instead of doing the good citizen routine and voting for the right people every 2 years.

American democracy (not democracy itself) is broken, the institutions are useless and need to be tossed the hell out. anything short of that is just trying to cover the problems up with duct tape.

What caused this were narcissists who either didn't vote in 2016 because Hillary didn't pander to them or they voted for Trump out of spite and refused to listen to the warnings as to what was at stake if Trump won.

[Ivanstone]

nice to see Texas going full Chiristofacist. Trigger law has made it so that unless Im actively dying, I cant get an abortion.

I’m actually shocked hat carve out even exists. I was under the impression there would be no exceptions at all.

[shimerra]

wow, maybe if you told Hillary Clinton how the electoral college works maybe those extra 3 million votes might have mattered.

Perhaps we could arrange a class for both of you. That way we can throw in some lessons about US Demographics, how the Senate and the filibuster work, and how the US constitution basically means Republicans can control the majority with a minority of the population even before we get to gerrymandering.


Anyone who didn't expect Manchin to do exactly what he's doing, he's basically a solid moderate republican with a slight bent towards the left on some social policies, is a complete idiot. And it seems like you are surprised by his actions. I mean the concept of this isn't even new. Sinema was a surprise but considering it only took a single person to step out of line and dem's partial control of the senate means zilch.


Those two aren't responsible for all of dems past issue, but to act like they aren't a huge singular issue blocking multiple initiatives is just straight up stupid.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Elections have consequences. Jill Stein, And anyone who didn’t vote for Hillary over BS I blame for this.

Wait till they get to gay rights as the Log Cabin Republicans just found out.

[uuuhname]

What caused this were narcissists who either didn't vote in 2016 because Hillary didn't pander to them or they voted for Trump out of spite and refused to listen to the warnings as to what was at stake if Trump won.

WE GAVE HILLARY CLINTON 3 MILLION VOTES OVER THE OTHER GUY. it's not our fault she didn't campgain in the TEN FUCKING STATES that Obama won back in 2008 and 2012. she lost those states! she did! her!

[tehdang]

This is what you get for allowing Trump to win in 2016. I know it sucks when you realistically only have two options but sometimes you need to vote for the party instead of the person.

That’s what Democrats get for nominating such a bad candidate. Some very political people idealize the election of a slate of policies and not a person, but every election shows the person and what they represent come as a package deal. Hillary, Trump, and Biden. For better or for worse.

Now, the country returns to the short-circuited process from the 1970s in fighting 50 different abortion compromises and watching the results from them. I’m thinking on the scale of the next two decades of legislative battles. The states that most deeply relied on nine legislators wearing black robes have the most work to do. Even the pro-life side has a ton of work to do, because they have to newly persuade people that thought the constitution had something written in it about abortion (or that abortion was illegal everywhere but for Roe vs Wade). This is particularly important for people that have a strong opinion on one side or another of abortion, but don’t have a clue about who is their state representative(s).

[Malkiah]

Please, America is the richest 3rd world country and has been for the past 20+ years.

i mean, not to be a pedantic shit about it, but the whole '# world' schtick... well it has a long history and it has morphed over the years so it's not like i'm going to try to claim ownership or sole propriety of what is basically a nationally recognized colloquialism, but it's my understanding that it generally refers to economy and technological development.
cultural markers don't really factor into it.

now, i'll totally agree that the US is a comical shit show for a variety of reasons, but honestly at this point i'm just posting a quibble because i like posting armchair intellectual bullshit and am just looking for an excuse, so i'll shut up about it.

[Edge-]

That’s what Democrats get for nominating such a bad candidate.

I mean, if you're just gonna sit here continuing to lie in bad faith, go for it.

Because that's not what happened at all, and we all know if. And you know it. But you're still choosing to lie about McConnell's hypocritical actions.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

The conservatives are aggressively forcing their religion and personal views on their entire country by masking it as democracy and freedom. Where have I seen this before?

[Doctor Amadeus]

WE GAVE HILLARY CLINTON 3 MILLION VOTES OVER THE OTHER GUY. it's not our fault she didn't campgain in the TEN FUCKING STATES that Obama won back in 2008 and 2012. she lost those states! she did! her!

No there are those that protest voted then came back to try to create more chaos.

People decided to not give a shit about their own vote and blamed Hillary.

I voted against this shit every step I voted specifically to do the most to prevent this. And I’m against abortion but hey fuck it.

Stupid people said fuck it it’s not cool to care about anything but themselves. Welcome to the GQP