SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Drutt]

Yeah, no. McConnell wouldn't have allowed for a vote on a replacement under any circumstances.

Obama appointed Kagan and Sotomayor in his first term. That was the safe window, and that was the time for any aging justices to step down if they wanted to ensure their successor would have similar priorities.

It didn't happen, and now we are where we are.

[Nurasu]

I'm curious if this is procedural? I assume they begin writing their opinions in advance and then choose which one/whose to use at the time of the ruling. Maybe this is just one of many 'majority' opinions that have been started? Either way, I hope it's a fucking wake up call for WI, MI, and PA.

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Obama appointed Kagan and Sotomayor in his first term. That was the safe window, and that was the time for any aging justices to step down if they wanted to ensure their successor would have similar priorities.

It didn't happen, and now we are where we are.

If you're talking about RBG, she kept doing work she loved for over another decade from when you're talking about here. I don't think anyone can blame her for that.

[Paranoid Android]

Yet again, no. That is what you guys keep getting wrong.

I didn’t need and wasn’t waiting for some ideal candidate. Just not voting for someone who metaphorically backhands me and tells me to fall in line because the other option is worse even though she worked to put that worse option there to elevate her which she was also caught doing asking the media to take him seriously to give her the most damaged candidate possible to run against.

Like a boss that actively insults and treats their workers like shit and creating a toxic environment, do you really blame the employees who left even if it cost them their jobs and had to take a loss looking for work elsewhere when they employer goes belly up from the key talent leaving or do you blame the boss who treated them like crap?

Again, I'm sorry but you and others who didn't think there was big consequences in 2016. Repeating myself many times over the right, extreme right vote no matter what. Especially on hot topic single issue like taking away a woman's right to her body. If you can't see plain in simple when in 2016 that there was an actual open seat, a former conservative one at that, and not vote knowing your vote might have likely protected someone's rights, then I can't see your case.

[Draco-Onis]

New statement from
SenatorCollins
: "If this leaked draft opinion is the final decision and this reporting is accurate, it would be completely inconsistent with what Justice Gorsuch and Justice Kavanaugh said in their hearings and in our meetings in my office

While this topic is political this is more deep than most in here may usually go but posting in this thread.

So Collins is the perfect Republican operative. She played the dumb role and "I'm concerned" throughout the Trump years. She knew what Kavanaugh and Gorsuch would do if on the bench. Hey again the voters of Maine chose to vote for this. Idk if this was that big of issue in Maine, but goes to show that Collins is a good little soldier who did her duty, got re-elected and will retire, find lucrative work and maybe elected again when her term is up.

Yup in spite of the media parroting it there is no such thing as a moderate republican, Mitt Romney, Susan Collins etc are good Nazi soldiers like the rest.

[Fugus]

Really hoping this lights a fire under the butts of voters and gets the politicians in gear to actually try instead of just lip service or they get primaried.

And correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the main places where this is the most used also the main places that are ideologically against it? Kinda like how all the places that allow child marriage in the US also the places that complained about pedophiles in government while also being the ones actively supporting confirmed or suspected pedophiles running for office?

Don't know the stats on this but which areas tend to have the most abortions?

[Drutt]

If you're talking about RBG, she kept doing work she loved for over another decade from when you're talking about here. I don't think anyone can blame her for that.

You can blame her for not looking at the big picture, though. She was a small stone's throw from 80 at the end of Obama's first term, well past the age of morbidity for US women. She had a choice to make between ensuring her successor would be in the same vein, or rolling the dice so she could continue working.

That gamble obviously didn't pay off.

[Drutt]

Really hoping this lights a fire under the butts of voters and gets the politicians in gear to actually try instead of just lip service or they get primaried.

It seems likely that will happen on some level. Polls have shown that somewhere around 85% of Americans think abortion should be legal in at least some circumstances, so it's only around 15% or so that are completely against it. I'd expect those numbers to cause some kind of significant backlash.

[Nurasu]

85% of Americans don't matter for 50% of the Senate, unfortunately.

[Draco-Onis]

It seems likely that will happen on some level. Polls have shown that somewhere around 85% of Americans think abortion should be legal in at least some circumstances, so it's only around 15% or so that are completely against it. I'd expect those numbers to cause some kind of significant backlash.

That may be the case but republicans aren't going to vote democrat because of it that's not even going into the new Jim Crow laws and gerrymandered maps going into effect now.

[Drutt]

That may be the case but republicans aren't going to vote democrat because of it that's not even going into the new Jim Crow laws and gerrymandered maps going into effect now.

En masse? No, but I think some might, certainly some of the less extreme ones who are already reeling from Trumpism. And it should be enough to swing any actual independents in purple states, which could emphatically decide some races.

Although as you said, that might not matter with some of the newly gerrymandered maps.

[Fugus]

Again, I'm sorry but you and others who didn't think there was big consequences in 2016. Repeating myself many times over the right, extreme right vote no matter what. Especially on hot topic single issue like taking away a woman's right to her body. If you can't see plain in simple when in 2016 that there was an actual open seat, a former conservative one at that, and not vote knowing your vote might have likely protected someone's rights, then I can't see your case.

I understand that Trump winning had massive consequences, but that shouldn't fall on the voters to bail the politician's out for their screw ups. It's not our fault, its not our job. It's on Clinton for what she pulled and running her voters off, it's on Clinton for working to elevate Trump. If it wasn't for the media taking him more seriously at her request, he might not have had the sway he had by the end but that's all speculation and likely he still would have won given how they lined up for him.

And the extreme right people I know, they didn't hold their nose and vote for him, they did so fullthroatedly like he was everything they hoped and dreamed would be there.

I am sorry, but I am not going to vote for someone who actively acts like they don't want or need my vote or have no choice and there are countless others like that in this nation and it's not some irrational mindset to have. And the more a politician tries to push that envelope, the more they risk running their voters off like Clinton did.

Like the last election, I wasn't a fan of Biden, but I voted for him and not because Trump was a douche, but because Biden didn't actively snub his base and will actively try. If Clinton had did that, she would have had my vote as well. But I don't respond well to people who think I will fall in line because I "Have no choice" behind someone who acts like she did. I'm sorry, I am just not going to do it and I am not alone.

I am guessing it would be best for us to drop this as it really is derailing, but I originally brought it up because I knew some would come in and try and blame the voters for Clinton's stuff and I was proven correct in that regard.

Sorry, we can just agree to disagree on this but know that no matter how much people want to blame the voters for it, it won't change that math should the politicians want to play that game again. The line might shift, but that line will still exist for a lot of voters.

[Fugus]

Resorting to bullshit like this says far more about you than you probably intend.

I'm not at all white knighting Hillary Clinton of all people lol Just calling out little bullshitters like you. You don't accept anything, because you refuse to see the reality of your actions. You've deluded yourself into thinking you were somehow slighted and voted for another candidate in protest. I'm sure all the women that could be about to lose bodily autonomy will give a single flying fuck about your feelings being hurt.

But, yeah, let's be done with this. I have no further interest in a fool. Once again, live with the guilt and maybe see someone about that victimhood.

You can look into it all you want, its on you. The fact you keep trying to blame the voters instead of the politicians for the results of the politicians actions says more than anything. As I said to another, its best to drop it at this point.

No matter how much we talk about it, it won't change the math or the reality of the situation nor will it change the many voters will do when actively snubbed. And for someone calling another a victim, you are sure screaming and crying like one on this.

But whatever, believe whatever fantasy you want. Lets just drop it, just make sure to call out anyone else who wants to bring up the vote on here for derailing too.

[Draco-Onis]

En masse? No, but I think some might, certainly some of the less extreme ones who are already reeling from Trumpism. And it should be enough to swing any actual independents in purple states, which could emphatically decide some races.

Although as you said, that might not matter with some of the newly gerrymandered maps.

It's pretty clear from this leak that the reich I mean right wing supreme court plan was to hold on to this until after the midterms so even with these obstacles they realize there is a risk of affecting election outcomes.

[Elegiac]

But I don't respond well to people who think I will fall in line because I "Have no choice" behind someone who acts like she did. I'm sorry, I am just not going to do it and I am not alone.

I.e. placing your ego above the civil liberties of women and minority groups. We know.

[Fugus]

I.e. placing your ego above the civil liberties of women and minority groups. We know.

Again, I am not Hillary Clinton who actively placed her ego ahead of the civil liberties of women and minority groups thinking the voters had no choice and will fall in line. Try again or not, because no matter how many times you try and go down this train of thought, you will refuse to see the forest from the trees.

Again, better to drop it at this point.

Edit: Let me rephrase that,
You are looking at the forest so long that you lost sight of the trees within it.

Seems more accurate that way.

[Elegiac]

Again, I am not Hillary Clinton who actively placed her ego ahead of the civil liberties of women and minority groups thinking the voters had no choice and will fall in line.

No. In a representative system of government, the buck ultimately stops with voters.

You were warned repeatedly about the risks of a Republican presidency and chose not to heed them because you felt the imperative of answering having your ego slighted by Clinton and the DNC took priority over doing your civic duty to your fellow man. A decision that has helped pave the path to a situation where the civil rights of people like myself, a naturalized citizen in a same-sex marriage, are now at terminal risk. I hold people like yourself as much responsible for this situation as the Republican Party itself, not the least of which because you refuse to do the mature thing and recognize you made an error - instead constantly trying to find ways to justify it and pass the blame.

So do us all a favor and spare us your opinions on this matter, because whatever outrage you claim to profess is worthless. You didn't feel strongly enough about these issues to swallow your pride six years ago, and clearly still don't by your refusal to accept culpability.

[Canpinter]

I'd also encourage my fellow LGBTQ Americans to look into buying a gun for protection at this point. We are the next target and they won't just want to get rid of gay marriage.

[Fugus]

No. In a representative system of government, the buck ultimately stops with voters.

You were warned repeatedly about the risks of a Republican presidency and chose not to heed them because you felt the imperative of answering having your ego slighted by Clinton and the DNC took priority over doing your civic duty to your fellow man. A decision that has helped pave the path to a situation where the civil rights of people like myself, a naturalized citizen in a same-sex marriage, are now at terminal risk. I hold people like yourself as much responsible for this situation as the Republican Party itself, not the least of which because you refuse to do the mature thing and recognize you made an error - instead constantly trying to find ways to justify it and pass the blame.

So do us all a favor and spare us your opinions on this matter, because whatever outrage you claim to profess is worthless. You didn't feel strongly enough about these issues to swallow your pride six years ago, and clearly still don't by your refusal to accept culpability.

No matter how many times you repeat it, the math and the results won't change and no matter how many future elections happen, if the politician makes her mistake they can suffer her loss as well because that math still won't change. The line might shift but there will continue to be a line where the voters draw it and won't support them if they give those voters the big enough middle finger.

So spare us your opinions on the matter as well because no matter how many times you repeat it, it won't change this or any future elections where the politician thinks they are owed that vote. I understand your opinion just fine, you just can't shift outside of your own head to see the other side of the coin.

So, take your own advice here and just drop it and so long as you and the rest do, I will do the same.

[Mekh]

The line might shift but there will continue to be a line where the voters draw it.

Yes. You drew the line with your pride on one side and abortion, LGBTQ and other minority rights on the other. We get it. Still your fault, even with a lame ass explanation.

[jonnysensible]

Yes. You drew the line with your pride on one side and abortion, LGBTQ and other minority rights on the other. We get it. Still your fault, even with a lame ass explanation.

lmao it all fungus fault, nailed it guys well done.