SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Endus]

oh yeah, remember when Obama made that promise when he came into office? what ever happened with that?

The simple answer to that is "other Democrats", if we're honest. Necessary reminder that the best thing you can say about Democrats is at least they're not Republicans.

it's almost like 2016 is just an easy excuse for certain people to lazily pin the blame for their chosen political parties abject failures on.

Especially when they blame it on Clinton, as if she was a "bad candidate". Yeah, that doesn't erase the ~63 million Americans who looked at Trump and said "oh, fuck​ yeah, that guy!"

[tehdang]

Keep telling yourself that. Your bullshit caused this.

I’m not going to disclaim a victory for the conservative legal movement fifty years in the making. If that’s what you really want to happen.

I’m also able to see the issue from other perspectives, and if you think the big thing political need is to force & shame Democrats to fall in line beyond whoever gets the nom nod, you’re just dedicated to a losing philosophy. American politics doesn’t revolve around trotting Fugus (for instance) out like some Judas figure in why it all went bad. You will just increase the numbers that check out from your political fights, because that’s frankly insufferable behavior.

[Crissi]

The simple answer to that is "other Democrats", if we're honest. Necessary reminder that the best thing you can say about Democrats is at least they're not Republicans.

Especially when we had all of 72 days with a super majority because Kennedy died. Thus making things need to be prioritized.

[uuuhname]

The simple answer to that is "other Democrats", if we're honest. Necessary reminder that the best thing you can say about Democrats is at least they're not Republicans.

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Especially when they blame it on Clinton, as if she was a "bad candidate". Yeah, that doesn't erase the ~63 million Americans who looked at Trump and said "oh, fuck​ yeah, that guy!"

which calls back to the current Manchin, Sinima situation...

well, that discussion for the inevitability of conservativism giving way to fascism is another topic. a movement that is helped by those in positions of power who don't take it seriously, AKA why the Clinton campgain wanted Trump to win the primary. they got their wish!

[Paranoid Android]

Snipers on the roof of the Supreme Court right now. Upper left.



Militarism on a peaceful protest. I guess they are more prepared for this protest than Jan. 6th.

[Drutt]

I suspect this may become a victory that the Republicans will come to rue.

[Malkiah]

No, but a lot of them will die off and the younger generation isn't tending towards those same levels of religious extremism. Evangelicals as a political force are a dying breed.

i mean you're welcome to think that, and i wish i had the capacity to live in that sort of comforting fantasy, but they've also been saying wow is dying for the last 20 years and it's still chugging along.

religious woo-woo is a thing humans do, whether it's strictly evangelicals or some other form of protestant inspired bullshit that's going to be a significant cultural and political force for decades at least.

That's chicken little levels of absurd.

that is exactly what people said 8 years ago when it was suggested trump being elected would be a political disaster, and trump getting to nominate several SC judges would lead to RvW being overturned.
it's ostrich levels of head in the sand to deny the sky is falling when the sky is smashing into your face.

The support for gay marriage has skyrocketed over the last 20 years MUCH less making homosexuality a crime. I mean are you serious here? You think in 30 years we're going to criminalize homosexuality? C'mon.

do you really think that public polling is going to influence agenda-based political governance?
support for abortion is as high as support for gay marriage, that hasn't stopped them from fighting to outlaw it and it didn't stop this ruling.

[Nurasu]

Especially when we had all of 72 days with a super majority because Kennedy died. Thus making things need to be prioritized.

"We had too little time after paying donors and passing Heritage Foundation legislation to actually help our base" isn't the best excuse in the world.

[Crissi]

"We had too little time after paying donors and passing Heritage Foundation legislation to actually help our base" isn't the best excuse in the world.

I mean, the economic package and Obama care were pretty necessary. As for the structure of Obamacare, blame Lieberman for being an ass.

[Katchii]

That's chicken little levels of absurd. The support for gay marriage has skyrocketed over the last 20 years MUCH less making homosexuality a crime. I mean are you serious here? You think in 30 years we're going to criminalize homosexuality? C'mon.

Whether it will be illegal in 30 years is somewhat irrelevant, at the moment. But if you don't think that basic rights like that will not have to be fought for (AGAIN) as a result of this ruling in ultra conservative states then you haven't been paying attention.

[Lenonis]

This is the problem with Democrats in general. You're in Congress right now. Fix it now.

How? I hear all this outrage at how weak the Dems are...but there is still the reality that they don't have the political strength to do anything major. That's the reality and not a factor at how tough or aggressive they are.

Maybe Biden has some path via executive orders - I don't know. But it would need to be something that would survive a legal challenge otherwise literally all they have left is rhetoric, meaningless gestures, and fundraising.

[Darththeo]

I suspect this may become a victory that the Republicans will come to rue.

Republican ranks have been dwindling. Less people are registering as them, they are a dying party. Democrats aren't exactly healthy either. People are tired of the political back and forth. That's not saying one party good and the other is bad, or they are both as bad.

Republicans are wondering why young people aren't Republican and they have to find the few who are and beat them like a dead horse when liberal youths are a dime a dozen.

[Drutt]

You think in 30 years we're going to criminalize homosexuality? C'mon.

5 years ago would you have said abortion would be criminalized within 5 years?

[Kathandira]

The support for gay marriage has skyrocketed over the last 20 years MUCH less making homosexuality a crime. I mean are you serious here? You think in 30 years we're going to criminalize homosexuality? C'mon.

Polling showed that the majority of americans support the right to choose regarding abortion rights. Polls mean absolutely nothing.

[Fugus]

Whether it will be illegal in 30 years is somewhat irrelevant, at the moment. But if you don't think that basic rights like that will not have to be fought for (AGAIN) as a result of this ruling in ultra conservative states then you haven't been paying attention.

Oh, they will be fought over, but this is a fight the ultra conservatives can't win as the majority of the nation will actively defy them and will AT BEST be the equivalent of prohibition if they got enough power to even force the issue as a large enough level and at the state levels will be defeated by virtually every surrounding state, every drug dealer in that state, every other first world nation on the planet helping us including our neighbors to the north and south, and so on.

Outlawing abortion will work as good as no drinking laws as a dry county.

[Nurasu]

As for the structure of Obamacare, blame Lieberman for being an ass.

Even if they do codify Roe now, it will probably be before a heartbeat because the party will break and demand compromise with themselves.

[Fugus]

Republican ranks have been dwindling. Less people are registering as them, they are a dying party. Democrats aren't exactly healthy either. People are tired of the political back and forth. That's not saying one party good and the other is bad, or they are both as bad.

Republicans are wondering why young people aren't Republican and they have to find the few who are and beat them like a dead horse when liberal youths are a dime a dozen.

What needs to happen is for the Republicans to die off and the Democrats split into two parties, we don't need 2 right wing parties which is what we have now.

[Drutt]

Republican ranks have been dwindling. Less people are registering as them, they are a dying party. Democrats aren't exactly healthy either. People are tired of the political back and forth. That's not saying one party good and the other is bad, or they are both as bad.

Republicans are wondering why young people aren't Republican and they have to find the few who are and beat them like a dead horse when liberal youths are a dime a dozen.

I don't disagree with any of that.

It just doesn't seem plausible to me that you can continually stomp roughshod over public opinion and not eventually pay a heavy price. The Boomers are going to start dying like flies in the not too distant future, simply due to general morbidity factors. If the polling is anywhere near accurate their support is going to be decimated to the point that not even gerrymandering will fix their problem.

[jonnysensible]

I suspect this may become a victory that the Republicans will come to rue.

what by getting everything they want?

[Crissi]

Even if they do codify Roe now, it will probably be before a heartbeat because the party will break and demand compromise with themselves.

and even then, the SC would likely stike it down as being a states rights issue. Codifying it means nothing when we've got a partisan SC that will strike it down. Need tor eform the SC though either expanding the court or hoping Thomas or ALito pulls a Scalia.