1. #2461
    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    Disney will cover travel expenses for employees seeking abortions

    Is Florida going to kick Disney out of the State?

    The irony of GOP politicians fighting against gun control by claiming that laws won't stop criminals from using guns. I can guarantee anti-abortion laws won't stop abortions. Case in point, Poland's abortion ban law has not reduced the number of abortions in Poland. Either by using pills or traveling out of the Poland.
    Dick’s Sporting Goods is doing the same. $4000 for the care they may need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    Sure, that's Florida being Florida. That's still MILES away from criminalizing it.

    Except Florida can't. Constitutionally states MUST honor contracts from other states and marriage is a contract. The best Florida can do is refuse to issue marriage licenses for same sex marriage in their state.

    Will. Never. Happen. I mean seriously -- think this through. You think Disney will stay in Florida if this happens? You think any major business will open offices in Florida? C'mon...I mean I get the shock of today and how that can make people anxious about what's next but think about the consequences a state would face for banning homosexuality....it would be immense. It'll never happen.

    People think the world is flat. People think lizardmen run the country. People think celebrities are trafficking children out of non-existent basements. I'm not afraid of a bunch of crackpots.

    Sure. So 1 justice. He wasn't joined in that statement by the others. And as I've said earlier even if they overturn it -- that doesn't mean it's illegal. It's more complex than the abortion situation.
    Roflmao. You think Thomas isn’t speaking for the other 5 conservatives? Roflmao. And ask gay people how that worked for them before the SCOTUS ruling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    We have states passing laws where they can blanket deny any conversation about homosexuality.
    Yup. that's a thing happening. And it's unfortunate. It's also not the same as outlawing it.

    We have states wanting to revoke same sex marriage.
    We have states wanting to secede. Doesn't mean they can legally do it.

    We literally have a Supreme Court Justice saying they want to revisit a decision impacting gay rights.
    Yup. 1 justice. And just because that ruling gets overturned doesn't mean it's illegal everywhere.

    I'm not saying there's no danger. I'm just saying it's not that simple and I don't think we're as close as people think. I also don't think there is nearly as much political will to go after the LBG part of LGBT as there was for abortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by For_The_Horde View Post
    They'll shift gears and go after something else next. Probably homosexuals, possibly immigrants, eventually interracial marriage, contraceptives would be a stretch but who's gonna stop them.
    Sure - and immigration is probably an issue that has the same sort of motivating power - but they've been beating that drum already. Same thing with trans people - enough bigotry there to rally their base.

    But gays? Interracial marriage? Contraceptives?

    Naw. That's not even in the same zip code as the level of motivation the abortion topic brought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Historically they could refuse to recognize a marriage that was illegal by state law. We’re headed right back for that.
    Ok, that will get interesting and show just how fucked up that state is. Not that they will care.
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    Regardless of where you stand on abortion - restricting and banning abortion is going to lead to more death and suffering. More women are going to have unsafe abortions and more women are going to die, more women are going to suffer through a pregnancy they don't want, more children are going to be born that are not wanted or loved by their parents and more children are going to end up in the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I'm desperately looking for silver linings. May never happen, but it would be wild if the ruling - which largely eliminates the fight over health care rights and access to abortions - results in considerably depressed Republican turnout for a while. Roe was a hugely animating issue for them, and while there are others like CRT or the "MIGRANT CARAVAN" and other shit, none of it comes close to how impactful the fight over Roe has been for them.

    It's most likely wishful thinking, but I'm looking for any reason to have some hope/optimism as millions of women have their bodily autonomy and right to make all their own health care decisions revoked from them by many states.
    The silver lining is hopefully enough of an energized left in the US to keep engaged from now for another 6ish years. This and the Jan 6th hearings are a hell of a one two punch. The midterms will be telling, and how much the dems can nationalize this in red states and purple states, because it really doesn’t matter in blue states. If only the dems were as relentless on what their constituents want as the republicans are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Yeah, except that those poor people are also the ones dumb enough to keep voting for this. They cut their nose of to spite their face. Most of the poor people I know of who didn't support this are also smart enough to get around it.
    Sure. And I have no sympathy for "what? The face eating lion is eating my face??? WHAT??"

    But that's not everyone. There is no small amount of poor people who didn't support this, didn't vote for this, but are going to be hurt by this. Families will lose their mothers to pregnancies gone wrong. Husbands will lose their wives to botched secret abortions done out of desperation. People who opposed this.

    And that's really unfortunate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I'm desperately looking for silver linings. May never happen, but it would be wild if the ruling - which largely eliminates the fight over health care rights and access to abortions - results in considerably depressed Republican turnout for a while. Roe was a hugely animating issue for them, and while there are others like CRT or the "MIGRANT CARAVAN" and other shit, none of it comes close to how impactful the fight over Roe has been for them.

    It's most likely wishful thinking, but I'm looking for any reason to have some hope/optimism as millions of women have their bodily autonomy and right to make all their own health care decisions revoked from them by many states.
    Many women voted for Trump and his ilk. They come from the "only care if it happens to me" school of thought.

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    With these decisions we have officially decided that guns have more rights than women this is absurd. Feel like I'm going to be sick. They are taking aim at contraception and gay marriage next. It's just beyond belief I've been expecting to wake up from a coma for half a decade and it just keeps getting worse. Many of the trigger laws don't even make exceptions for miscarriage we are going to have women in 2022 dying of sepsis because the dead fetus cannot legally be removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    A satisfied voter base is not a base motivated to vote.
    Just means they pivot the message to "They'll undo everything we've worked so hard to accomplish"... but it's basically the same tactic they've been using for decades now...Fear. Keep them afraid of what the Democrats will do.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Roflmao. You think Thomas isn’t speaking for the other 5 conservatives?
    No? I mean...they didn't sign it. And they could have.

    And ask gay people how that worked for them before the SCOTUS ruling.
    This isn't a light switch you realize. Everything changed when gay marriage was legalized and overturning Obergefell doesn't just magically undo all that.

    Look, I could very well be wrong about the outcome, but one thing I know I'm not wrong about is gay marriage isn't as clean an issue to resolve as abortion was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    Sure. And I have no sympathy for "what? The face eating lion is eating my face??? WHAT??"

    But that's not everyone. There is no small amount of poor people who didn't support this, didn't vote for this, but are going to be hurt by this. Families will lose their mothers to pregnancies gone wrong. Husbands will lose their wives to botched secret abortions done out of desperation. People who opposed this.

    And that's really unfortunate.
    Agreed, the most we can do is educate them on the alternatives. But I think the vast majority of them will have access to a drug dealer and I can guarantee you that they will be selling morning after pills after this in those states and within a few months to a year there will be clinics setup along many of their borders.

    But it will suck for those who didn't vote for this and will stuck dealing with the fallout from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    Regardless of where you stand on abortion - restricting and banning abortion is going to lead to more death and suffering. More women are going to have unsafe abortions and more women are going to die, more women are going to suffer through a pregnancy they don't want, more children are going to be born that are not wanted or loved by their parents and more children are going to end up in the system.
    Except these people don't care about women or born children.
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    While my views on abortions are mixed, to say the least there's a lot of family history for me, I am rather concerned we might see restrictions on contraceptives.

    What's next? Banning condoms? IUDs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SavoirFaire View Post
    The silver lining is hopefully enough of an energized left in the US to keep engaged from now for another 6ish years. This and the Jan 6th hearings are a hell of a one two punch. The midterms will be telling, and how much the dems can nationalize this in red states and purple states, because it really doesn’t matter in blue states. If only the dems were as relentless on what their constituents want as the republicans are.
    We're fucked in the Midterms, courtesy of gerrymandering, voter suppression, a weak President, and out-of-control inflation. Count on the Dems to cannibalize each other while the Reps laugh all the way to an unassailable majority for the next 2-4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    Many women voted for Trump and his ilk. They come from the "only care if it happens to me" school of thought.
    And everyone who supported Trump has no right to be upset about this right now. They cared more about emails and deplorables being called out than basic rights that were under threat. They were warned. They scoffed. Now they pretend to be super upset. Nah, this is what they wanted. Their favorite show, Handmaid’s Tale, is now becoming reality.

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    Omg, it's so stupid that this is a re-occuring issue. I thought Roe v Wade was very reasonable for any country/state.

    Spirituality is the main problem here. Anti-abortion folks think that a zygote has a soul and it's up to them to save life and prevent murder. It's so absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Just means they pivot the message to "They'll undo everything we've worked so hard to accomplish"... but it's basically the same tactic they've been using for decades now...Fear. Keep them afraid of what the Democrats will do.
    Except that historically hasn't worked. Otherwise Trump would have won again in 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    No? I mean...they didn't sign it. And they could have.

    This isn't a light switch you realize. Everything changed when gay marriage was legalized and overturning Obergefell doesn't just magically undo all that.

    Look, I could very well be wrong about the outcome, but one thing I know I'm not wrong about is gay marriage isn't as clean an issue to resolve as abortion was.
    Except, you are wrong about that. There are states who still have sodomy laws on the books and have it outline marriage is between a man and a woman.

    If you don't think it is going to be "as easy" you just aren't paying attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    Except these people don't care about women or born children.
    Then they should at least consider the costs to society (e.g. increased taxes, crime) that may directly concern them. It's a bit crass, but even selfish people should see the downsides of this ruling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    While my views on abortions are mixed, to say the least there's a lot of family history for me, I am rather concerned we might see restrictions on contraceptives.

    What's next? Banning condoms? IUDs?
    They are going after that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    Then they should at least consider the costs to society (e.g. increased taxes, crime) that may directly concern them.
    I have asked people if they plan to help raise the kids.

    The answer I get is "It isn't their responsibility."
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