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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeek Daniels View Post
    Lol wut? Its almost as if society didnt prosper or know how to handle pregnancy's pre roe. And by Pre Roe i mean through out human history. People have been bringing babies to term for 1000's of years. I think in our advanced society we wouldnt be such babies about it and learn to just live with the fact that humans are born and someone needs to take care of them.
    You do understand that Pre Roe a single income was often more than enough to support a family right?
    So the mother didn't have to work. Also, hospital bills weren't nearly as high as they are now. In 1970, it was about 1500. Today, it is about 16,000. 10 times more expensive. (FYI, it was about 1,000 work hours in 1970 at minimum wage. Today is about 2,000 work hours in some states).

    Also, given that it is now more important to have 2 incomes in a house at least and parental leave isn't a thing in all states, having a kid can put people into deep debt, especially if there are any health complications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurasu View Post
    I saw a chilling post about how much more advanced our warrantless surveillance and militarized police are these days since abortions and homosexuality were made legal. Party of small government.
    Very scary.

    I saw another post warning any and all women who track their menstruation cycle on a phone/device app to immediately stop, and uninstall the app.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    I clearly said those are exceptions not counters.... And when I say rape I mean within reasonable time, not eating 5 months to come to terms and then decide to kill it.

    Where do you draw the line then? Cuz would it be okay to kill a fetus 12 hours before it's considered a baby??

    Yah cause it's reasonable for a 12-year-old to be expected to come forward right away after she is raped by a relative!! To know she might be pregnant right away!!!

    Especially with the state of sex education in the very same states that want to outlaw abortion.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Weird, you've just described a fantasy that doesn't exist.

    One day y'all will join us in reality where the reals come before the feels. One day.
    Lol. I can go back in the posts on this very forum and find people arguing preventing illegal immigration would drive up the price of produce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    Lol. I can go back in the posts on this very forum and find people arguing preventing illegal immigration would drive up the price of produce.
    who cares? you got something that's actually related to what we're talking about?

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    It bothers me that right wing politicians paint this as a "win for the people." The prior ruling had it as an individual's choice, the new ruling puts it up to vote on whether it is allowed. This is objectively a loss for individual rights, not a gain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeek Daniels View Post
    Lol wut? Its almost as if society didnt prosper or know how to handle pregnancy's pre roe. And by Pre Roe i mean through out human history. People have been bringing babies to term for 1000's of years. I think in our advanced society we wouldnt be such babies about it and learn to just live with the fact that humans are born and someone needs to take care of them.
    @Lobosan is entirely correct. Antiabortion laws are essentially an attack on impoverished people. You not knowing or understanding why isn't our fault. Take a look into the costs of child care. etc. And the fact that the GQP strikes down any attempt to provide funds for child care or parental leave or any of the litany of benefits other countries provide to help with raising a child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    It bothers me that right wing politicians paint this as a "win for the people." The prior ruling had it as an individual's choice, the new ruling puts it up to vote on whether it is allowed. This is objectively a loss for individual rights, not a gain.
    That's the GQP in a nut shell. Taking away rights while calling it a win for the people. And there will be more to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    Yah cause it's reasonable for a 12-year-old to be expected to come forward right away after she is raped by a relative!! To know she might be pregnant right away!!!

    Especially with the state of sex education in the very same states that want to outlaw abortion.
    Even if she did come forward, I doubt she could abort it until his trial was complete. Surely within 9 months! /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    @Lobosan is entirely correct. Antiabortion laws are essentially an attack on impoverished people. You not knowing or understanding why isn't our fault. Take a look into the costs of child care. etc. And the fact that the GQP strikes down any attempt to provide funds for child care or parental leave or any of the litany of benefits other countries provide to help with raising a child.

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    That's the GQP in a nut shell. Taking away rights while calling it a win for the people. And there will be more to follow.
    All 50 states have safe haven laws. Next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    All 50 states have safe haven laws. Next.
    Your response makes no sense with what you're quoting. Care to elaborate? Next.

    (did I do that right? )

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    What the fuck is even remotely your point? The statement makes no sense with what you're responding to. Next.

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    Do you not know what a safe haven law is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    Lol. I can go back in the posts on this very forum and find people arguing preventing illegal immigration would drive up the price of produce.
    Because...that's true? I mean, that doesn't mean you support illegal immigration, but that's a cold, hard fact.

    Stop placing your fee fees above reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    Do you not know what a safe haven law is?
    Do you not know what my point was?

    (again, am I doing this right? )

    The issue is about poverty and personal rights and privacy. Just as a hint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurasu View Post
    Even if she did come forward, I doubt she could abort it until his trial was complete. Surely within 9 months! /s
    They don't even want to make exceptions for that.

    Imagine being someone who was given up for adoption, only to find out your bio dad is a rapist who assaulted your mother and your bio mom never wanted you.
    I don't think pro-lifers are capable of understanding how much that would mess up someone's mental health.

    My mother who was raised by her bio-mom and adoptive father dealt with mental issues because she at times didn't feel she new who she was because her parents hid the fact she was adopted until she found out because of a school mess up in 2nd grade. And all three of her parents wanted her, her bio dad died after my grandmother got pregnant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    And for those of you that are "all for" this ruling, and therefore clearly haven't READ the opinion, you're in for a real fucking treat. Thomas' concurring opinion said that the Supreme Court “should reconsider” its past rulings codifying rights to contraception access, same-sex relationships and same-sex marriage.

    So enjoy your "win" - that you're too narrow minded to understand is a categorical LOSS for the United States.

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    (and @Varx)

    SCOTUS and the GQP is going after all of it. Gay Marriage, Gay Relationships, Birth Control - all Under His Eye now.
    They would go after interracial marriage too, if Thomas wasn't married to a white woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    That's the GQP in a nut shell. Taking away rights while calling it a win for the people. And there will be more to follow.
    If I could move to Canada, I would. Sadly, I would need a totally new job to do that.
    Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power.
    Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force shall set me free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    Lol. I can go back in the posts on this very forum and find people arguing preventing illegal immigration would drive up the price of produce.
    It would. Look at what happened in Alabama, they banned all illegal immigrants for about 6 months. When all of the produce that they grew rotted in the fields because they wouldn't pay people enough, they quietly got rid of that law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    They don't even want to make exceptions for that.

    Imagine being someone who was given up for adoption, only to find out your bio dad is a rapist who assaulted your mother and your bio mom never wanted you.
    I don't think pro-lifers are capable of understanding how much that would mess up someone's mental health.

    My mother who was raised by her bio-mom and adoptive father dealt with mental issues because she at times didn't feel she new who she was because her parents hid the fact she was adopted until she found out because of a school mess up in 2nd grade. And all three of her parents wanted her, her bio dad died after my grandmother got pregnant.
    Even worse, the pro-lifers would go get the abortion if it were them or family members in that position. There are plenty of GQP neo-nazi asshats who've "spoken with God" and "gotten permission" to get an abortion.

    The people dragging our country into the 17th century are quite literally insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    Do you not know what a safe haven law is?
    If you are talking about abandoning an infant at a hospital or fire station, then you know what happens with those kids? They go into an already overstressed system, where they are lucky if they get adopted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    If you are talking about abandoning an infant at a hospital or fire station, then you know what happens with those kids? They go into an already overstressed system, where they are lucky if they get adopted.
    And the kind of people who are fine with banning abortion because "you can just adopt them out" are also generally the same people who want to prevent homosexual couples from participating in the adoption system.
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