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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestopft View Post
    The Onion right now; on point as always.

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    I think, perhaps more specifically, it's about making sure women bear the externalities of "unwanted" sexual behavior. Keep in mind that the same people cheering this decision are the ones that respond to a rape case with "what was she wearing." As in: "maybe it was her lack of modesty that got her raped."
    The pro-life movement isn't just men wanting to control women. That's part of it, obviously, but there are a lot of women in that movement and they're not all offering themselves up as sex slaves for men. For a lot of these women, abortion is an affront to what a woman "should be" according to them. You're not a real woman unless you bear children, and outlawing abortion is a way to force other women into motherhood. That's why they're not interested in allowing contraception of any sort. For example: https://themindshield.com/ohio-repub...ity-for-women/

    Is it just internalized misogyny? Yeah, absolutely. The detail is that it's just misogyny of a certain type of woman, not all of them.

    The other insidious motivation is just straight up white supremacy. It's not a coincidence that this happened now after a decade plus of white anger and panic over the reality that whites will no longer be the majority in the United States.
    Last edited by downnola; 2022-06-25 at 05:58 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulForge View Post
    Kavanaugh made a comment about this very topic; “May a state bar a resident of that state from traveling to another state to obtain an abortion?” he wrote in a concurring opinion. “In my view, the answer is no based on the constitutional right to interstate travel.”
    Yeah, from the guy that also said that Roe V Wade was "settled law"...
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulForge View Post
    Kavanaugh made a comment about this very topic; “May a state bar a resident of that state from traveling to another state to obtain an abortion?” he wrote in a concurring opinion. “In my view, the answer is no based on the constitutional right to interstate travel.”

    But some states will try.
    Well, yeah, but again, he’s just saying that they can’t ban girls/women from traveling from state to state, not that they, and anyone who helped them, won’t be punished once they return and it’s found out that they received an abortion where it’s legal.

    That’s why some Governors in blue states are releasing statements saying that they won’t cooperate with any states wanting to prosecute people for receiving abortions in their state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Well, yeah, but again, he’s just saying that they can’t ban girls/women from traveling from state to state, not that they won’t be punished once they return and it’s found out that they received an abortion where it’s legal, as well as any person that helped them.
    I don't think any of states have laws that will criminalize women for having abortion. Although some of the pre-Roe legacy laws might. Most of the laws are intended to punish the service providers. We'll have to wait and see if they are going to criminalize the women.

    The list of companies that will provide reimbursement for legal abortions is growing fast - Condé Nast, Apple, Microsoft, Disney, Warner Brothers, Paramount, Comcast, Netflix, Sony, Meta, Zillow, Patagonia, Intuit, Bank of America, Mastercard, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, DoorDash, Duolingo, BuzzFeed, Box, Johnson & Johnson, Yelp, Tesla, Reddit, Amazon, Levi's, Airbnb, PayPal, Tesla. Not a comprehensive list.

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    Exceptional idiocy. That's what happens when country is ran by decrepit fools and is in a state of constant mutual slapfest over bullshit.

    What next brilliant idea is on the menu? Segregation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Exceptional idiocy. That's what happens when country is ran by decrepit fools and is in a state of constant mutual slapfest over bullshit.

    What next brilliant idea is on the menu? Segregation?
    I think they'll start with removing same sex marriage
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    It's a good thing it got overturned, it never had a solid legal basis in the first place and completely harmstringed the trend of states trying to codify it into a proper law.

    I hope legislators pick up the pace once again, screaming about fascists on twitters is cute and all but they knew this day was coming and had 50 years to do it.

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    I guess beyond satisfying their constituents and their own perverse ideology (if they even have one and it's not just performative) the greatest gain is effective forcing democrat voters out of red states that they could possibly flip. Wealthier people who can afford to move will now consider moving since taking a risk with your body autonomy not to mention your freedom is just not a sacrifice you are willing to make so that there can be one more blue vote in e.g. Texas. Poor women and especially poor women of color will ofc suffer the most since they both cannot leave and have the hardest time to vote so the GOP doesn't care if they stay anyway. Would their states get poorer? More federal funds that the mostly (entirely?) white people in power in those states can redirect to their wallets.

    If the GOP controls all levels of government in 2024 which is not at all an improbable proposition who knows how far they can push the envelope?

    There should be Vietnam level protests for this. Because the number of women who will die from botched abortions will surely surpass the men that died in Vietnam. Is it going to happen? Don't see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangresnake View Post
    It's a good thing it got overturned, it never had a solid legal basis in the first place and completely harmstringed the trend of states trying to codify it into a proper law.
    "Proper law", like Texas' "You gonna have you rapist's baby!"-law?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VMSmith View Post
    I know I'll catch shit for saying this, but the disappointment with Democrats is so intense that I honestly see no point in voting any longer. Even if they were handed an 80-20 majority in the Senate, I do not believe they would do anything to fix this. There'd just be 30 Joe Manchin's all struggling for their moment in the limelight. Or they'd find some other excuse to cock it up, like wanting it to be "bipartisan" or some such stupid ass nonsense. And, as you mentioned, shit like this is great for fundraising, which is all they truly care about.

    No, the Democrats are not the solution. Voting is not the solution. They've got the system locked down and will never lack enough power to shape things the way they want them. Short of an actual uprising, I see nothing changing, and the masses are far too pacified for that to ever happen.
    Eh I am sorry but did the Democrats ever have an effective opportunity to do anything serious in the last two decades? I think they only had actual control in the first two years of Obama's first term right? At least by voting you can hope to keep the status quo from deteriorating further. Not doing anything is only really an option if you are wealthy and/or leave in a safe blue state.

    Seriously people, no one said you should do civil disobedience (at this stage you should), just spend a few minutes/hours every two years to vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekh View Post
    "Proper law", like Texas' "You gonna have you rapist's baby!"-law?
    Sure, or like california 26 weeks abortion. Let the state decide, eventually democracy will prevail.
    This ruling is just the SC declaring that abortion legality isnt up to them to decide. There's nothing stopping legislation to be passed at state or federal level.

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    You cannot be a negative age therefore a fetus is not alive!

    Also overturning Roe wasn’t the endgame.

    The GOP congress next term will suspend filibuster and outlaw abortion by federal law.

    Game Set Match, it’s over.
    Last edited by relaxok; 2022-06-25 at 09:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangresnake View Post
    Let the state decide, eventually democracy will prevail.
    This ruling is just the SC declaring that abortion legality isnt up to them to decide. There's nothing stopping legislation to be passed at state or federal level.
    There's nothing stopping the SCOTUS theocrats from declaring that the federal government has no standing to legalize abortion nationwide against the will of the states. Democracy is irrelevant.

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    Can I apply for refugee status in Canada yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by relaxok View Post
    You cannot be a negative age therefore a fetus is not alive!

    Also overturning Roe wasn’t the endgame.

    The GOP congress next term will suspend filibuster and outlaw abortion by federal law.

    Game Set Match, it’s over.
    I guess that's the point the US should be over and some states should secede?

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    There's nothing stopping the SCOTUS theocrats from declaring that the federal government has no standing to legalize abortion nationwide against the will of the states. Democracy is irrelevant.
    Sure there is. They reason they overturned RvW was basically due to the way the original ruling was hinged on the 14th amendment. A new law would just be that a new law. It wouldn't need to be tied to that clause becasue it would be a law not a SCOTUS ruling. That would be saying It would be unconstitutional for there to be a federal murder charge if a state decides to legalize murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    I don't think any of states have laws that will criminalize women for having abortion. Although some of the pre-Roe legacy laws might. Most of the laws are intended to punish the service providers. We'll have to wait and see if they are going to criminalize the women.
    I thought they already tried to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    I don't think any of states have laws that will criminalize women for having abortion. Although some of the pre-Roe legacy laws might. Most of the laws are intended to punish the service providers. We'll have to wait and see if they are going to criminalize the women.

    The list of companies that will provide reimbursement for legal abortions is growing fast - Condé Nast, Apple, Microsoft, Disney, Warner Brothers, Paramount, Comcast, Netflix, Sony, Meta, Zillow, Patagonia, Intuit, Bank of America, Mastercard, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, DoorDash, Duolingo, BuzzFeed, Box, Johnson & Johnson, Yelp, Tesla, Reddit, Amazon, Levi's, Airbnb, PayPal, Tesla. Not a comprehensive list.
    TX, OK, TN, MO to name a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Exceptional idiocy. That's what happens when country is ran by decrepit fools and is in a state of constant mutual slapfest over bullshit.

    What next brilliant idea is on the menu? Segregation?
    Not even a hint of self awareness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangresnake View Post
    Sure, or like california 26 weeks abortion. Let the state decide, eventually democracy will prevail.
    "It's okay that in large swaths of the US that women (and soon gays, trans, and minorities) have less rights until it fixes itself." That's.....not a good thing in the least bit and if you think that's a silver lining I can only wonder what a perfect scenario is.

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