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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhammer View Post
    A new law would just be that a new law. It wouldn't need to be tied to that clause becasue it would be a law not a SCOTUS ruling. That would be saying It would be unconstitutional for there to be a federal murder charge if a state decides to legalize murder.
    A new law could be ruled unconstitutional.

    And I hope you’re not saying that the SCOTUS wouldn’t rule state laws allowing abortion to be unconstitutional if/when the GOP pushes through a federal ban...

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    A new law could be ruled unconstitutional.

    And I hope you’re not saying that the SCOTUS wouldn’t rule state laws allowing abortion to be unconstitutional if/when the GOP pushes through a federal ban...
    I think some people are still under delusions that the supreme court is not pulling things out of its ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    A new law could be ruled unconstitutional.

    And I hope you’re not saying that the SCOTUS wouldn’t rule state laws allowing abortion to be unconstitutional if/when the GOP pushes through a federal ban...
    It could, however, if the Democrats get a Super majority in the Senate, they could pass the Right to Privacy as a Constitutional Amendment and include Medical privacy in it.

    Sadly, that won't happened.

    This ruling makes no sense. I cannot believe people are so stupid to think that Roe v Wade was the Federal Government controlling abortion and not a ruling saying it was an individual's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    I think some people are still under delusions that the supreme court is not pulling things out of its ass.
    Pretty much, the 10th Amendment does not say powers unlisted are given to the states, but rather the states and the people.
    The ruling in Roe v Wade was justify as a right of the people, not the new ruling says a state can determine if it is legal.
    It actually stripped people of a right while saying the people have more power now.

    It is garbage. It was passed by 4 liars and a judge married to a traitor to everything the US stands for. They should all be impeached and removed, but they will not because the Republicans in the Senate will not care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    There's nothing stopping the SCOTUS theocrats from declaring that the federal government has no standing to legalize abortion nationwide against the will of the states. Democracy is irrelevant.
    There's nothing stopping the SCOTUS from doing anything, that's the point and the problem with a Supreme court. And the very reason why RvW had to be overturned: They're not allowed to create legislation out of thin air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangresnake View Post
    There's nothing stopping the SCOTUS from doing anything, that's the point and the problem with a Supreme court. And the very reason why RvW had to be overturned: They're not allowed to create legislation out of thin air.
    Dude I need my last 2 braincells to have anything to rub together, you can't write something like this and risk me loosing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangresnake View Post
    There's nothing stopping the SCOTUS from doing anything, that's the point and the problem with a Supreme court. And the very reason why RvW had to be overturned: They're not allowed to create legislation out of thin air.
    They didn't. They gave women the right to bodily autonomy, and privacy. Like everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangresnake View Post
    Sure, or like california 26 weeks abortion. Let the state decide, eventually democracy will prevail.
    This ruling is just the SC declaring that abortion legality isnt up to them to decide. There's nothing stopping legislation to be passed at state or federal level.
    "Democracy will prevail," You mean like the bounty laws, where if you find out someone has gotten an abortion in another state, you can report them to earn money if it's found out they did have an abortion in a state where it was legal?

    Conservatives are trying to take this "Republic" thing way too far. Laws are not allowed to prosecute across state lines for something done where it is legal. And yet "democracy" is removing many of these safeguards we had for so long.

    This is all incredibly draconian, and I think the only good that will come out of this is that it will kick Republicans in the nuts electorally. There are going to be Riots and protests over this shit. I pray that the fuckers get voted out, and that democracy once again instates legalized abortion at the federal level. That's the only way in which democracy will do good here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangresnake View Post
    There's nothing stopping the SCOTUS from doing anything, that's the point and the problem with a Supreme court. And the very reason why RvW had to be overturned: They're not allowed to create legislation out of thin air.
    While it acted similar to legislation, it was not legislation. So get that misconception out of your head. It was a proper court ruling and was within the bounds of the judicial branch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zython View Post
    Just came here to remind people that the right has no moral conscious. If they ever try to morally scold you, it's not because they think what you're doing is wrong. Is because it's effective, and want to discourage you from doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangresnake View Post
    There's nothing stopping the SCOTUS from doing anything, that's the point and the problem with a Supreme court. And the very reason why RvW had to be overturned: They're not allowed to create legislation out of thin air.
    this is just more states rights bullshit...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    this is just more states rights bullshit...
    more shit that made sense back in ye old days of twn centuries ago but not any longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Collegeguy View Post
    In one fell swoop, the supreme court just decimated the Republican party for decades. This was just crossing a line. The States rights nonsense just means states will have less votes for Republicans. Nothing drives people to the voting booth more than feeling the pinch personally. If you don't like going to work on Sundays, don't do it. If you don't like abortion, than don't do it. There was better battles for the right to fight, but this one was certainly a loss in all measures.
    Its funny you think that. It really is. This "decimated the republican party for decades" just like almost everything they've done for the last decade.

    This changes nothing. This is energizing the right, andthe left, in the places where it matters, have both had a lot of their ability to vote surpressed, and are just so damned tired with feeling betrayed at Biden's lack of action that they wont come out to vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonKing View Post
    Josh Hawley is hoping that left leaning people will leave red states, making red states redder and purple states red as well so Republicans can increase their power in the electoral college. He's also hoping this can lead to the GOP becoming even more populist. Josh Hawley says abortion ruling will push people to move states, strengthening the GOP
    Josh Hawley is an idiot obviously. People leaving red states means lowering the population, and that decreases representation for that state in the congressional House..while the blue state gaining more population would only increase representation in the House.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Josh Hawley is an idiot obviously. People leaving red states means lowering the population, and that decreases representation for that state in the congressional House..while the blue state gaining more population would only increase representation in the House.
    Yeah, but Red states would control the Senate effectively locking the federal government down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Yeah, but Red states would control the Senate effectively locking the federal government down.
    That presumes a republican majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Collegeguy View Post
    In one fell swoop, the supreme court just decimated the Republican party for decades. This was just crossing a line. The States rights nonsense just means states will have less votes for Republicans. Nothing drives people to the voting booth more than feeling the pinch personally. If you don't like going to work on Sundays, don't do it. If you don't like abortion, than don't do it. There was better battles for the right to fight, but this is pretty much a lose situation.
    The republican party hasn't won an election in decades clearly rigging the system works, they've also given up on appealing to the majority of Americans. Their goal as seen in 1/6 is to create establish a dictatorship they cannot continue on with any form of democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    That presumes a republican majority.
    Every state gets 2 senators. If people leave the red states for the blue states, it effectively makes those two senator seats red in definitely.
    There are more Red states than blue states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    The republican party hasn't won an election in decades clearly rigging the system works, they've also given up on appealing to the majority of Americans.
    Yep, they just tell their supporters that the majority of Americans agree with them and to proof is that they are louder.
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    Wish US dared to do referendums. But hey you are a republic, not a democracy. The people don't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Wish US dared to do referendums. But hey you are a republic, not a democracy. The people don't matter.
    Questions of that nature get put on ballots.
    Getting them on the ballot is the trick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Questions of that nature get put on ballots.
    Getting them on the ballot is the trick.
    local elections but as far as I am aware we don't have a national referendum Brexit style in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    It could, however, if the Democrats get a Super majority in the Senate, they could pass the Right to Privacy as a Constitutional Amendment and include Medical privacy in it.
    Basing this discussion on privacy laws was a backwards chickenshit workaround, in the first place. SCOTUS kicked the can down the road in writing their decision in Roe v. Wade, setting the stage for precisely this. It was never a "good" judgement.

    Abortion rights shouldn't be covered under privacy rights at all. "Privacy" shouldn't even come up.

    What needs to be passed is a right to "bodily autonomy", or "security of the person"; different terms for the same thing (Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms includes the latter). If you want to get some dipshit Republicans to cross the aisle, point out that said right would prevent forced vaccinations or government tracking implants. Sure, the latter's nonsense and the former is irrelevant since it has nothing to do with vaccine mandates, but they don't pay enough attention to notice that; they'd have to explain to their base why they won't protect them from the government forced vaccinations.

    Once you've got a right to bodily autonomy recognized, abortion rights are naturally and irrevocably included. In a much stronger sense than Roe v. Wade ever did.

    Just frame it as the right to control your own body. Make it wildly generic on that basis. There's little to argue about once you make it that broad.


  20. #2720
    Man, watching twitter go apeshit over this is giving me headaches.

    Why is everyone opinion so extreme? Why is no one having any calm discussions? Why are there discussions about the furthest of opposites and not a single discussion about the middle ground?

    For example, one side is arguing about the fetus's life matters. Uh, you don't give a fuck about the fetus's life...

    On the other side however, people use stuff like "they use their money to ban abortions, but won't give child support, free healtcare, maternal/paternal leave etc." I'm 100% sure if these things existed people would still want legal abortions. Even if crime was reduced to 0% and there was no rape, even if there were hundreds of thousands of orphanages all over the place that took care of the babies even if the parents don't want them.

    Both sides are full of hypocrites.

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