SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Edge-]

Bleep Morton's steakhouse. I hope this backfires spectacularly.

Yeah Morton's and others it must really suck not being able to eat your meal than YOU KNOW, have to carry something you chose not to for 9 months.

Stealing this tweet:

Sorry, under the originalist reading of the Constitution there is no "right" to eat dinner. The Founding Fathers never spoke of a right to eat dinner, therefore the right does not exist.

Originalism BITCH!!!!!

https://newrepublic.com/article/1670...l-right-dinner

I'm far from the only person with this joke, though I will take credit for not copying it first. Originalism is dumb as fuck. Morton's is dumb as fuck.

[Antipathy1018]

Well this is some dog and pony showmanship.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bide...l_twitter_abcn

He signed this abortion EO today, and by the end of next week it will be worthless because while it is in the courts the EO will be in effect.

And before anyone starts shrilly screaming alt-right asshole at me, know right now you can just walk on by. I did my part on the whole abortion issue, over 20 years I got a vasectomy, as soon as my insurance would cover it. So I spent $15 to get clipped so I would never have kids because I knew from a young age I am neither qualified, nor selfless enough to ever have kids.

[s_bushido]

Well this is some dog and pony showmanship.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bide...l_twitter_abcn

He signed this abortion EO today, and by the end of next week it will be worthless because while it is in the courts the EO will be in effect.

...yes? Anything Biden himself did would be a stop-gap measure at best. Obviously he should have at least made federal facilities available for these services, but end of the day, it is up to lawmakers to fix this mess.

[PC2]

The only demographic in America that reliably opposes abortion access is older men

There's probably a similar trend in every country though. Looking at the data is good but people shouldn't waste their time by focusing on the correlations and the group generalizations because what matters for solving the disagreement at hand is the explanation(s), not the data.

[Fugus]

That's probably true of in most countries though. Looking at the data is good but people shouldn't waste their time by focusing on correlations and generalizations because what matters for solving the disagreement at hand is the explanation(s), not the data.

Talked to a few, there is no solving the disagreement with that group because the explanations have no place in reality.

How can you when their explanation is that Democrats and liberals are devil worshippers and that it’s gods will and if you show them passages from their gods own book showing that god is against the views they are saying they will ignore that passage as well.

You can’t reach an agreement against feelings and hatred.

If one side says that people should be treated equally and the other says that a group in it is subhuman and should be killed or subjugated, there is no middle ground there worth having.

[unfilteredJW]

There's probably a similar trend in every country though. Looking at the data is good but people shouldn't waste their time by focusing on the correlations and the group generalizations because what matters for solving the disagreement at hand is the explanation(s), not the data.

Saving this for future use.

[Crispin]

https://www.businessinsider.com/woma...ger-2022-7?amp

A pregnant woman vowed to challenge a $215 fine after being penalised for driving in a carpool lane.
She told officers her unborn child counted as a passenger, the Dallas Morning News reported.
Brandy Bottone said she did not understand the fine after the overturning of Roe w. Wade.

Ahahah good on her I hope she fucking wins

[Edge-]

https://www.businessinsider.com/woma...ger-2022-7?amp



Ahahah good on her I hope she fucking wins

Honestly, it opened a huge can of worms. Are fetuses people? Do they have rights? Can you claim one as a dependent? How does it work with the carpool lane? Can you order a kids meal for your fetus? Can you get life insurance on your fetus just in case?

Lots to consider here as we find out just how much of a "legal person" a fetus is.

[Ghost of Cow]

Honestly, it opened a huge can of worms. Are fetuses people? Do they have rights? Can you claim one as a dependent? How does it work with the carpool lane? Can you order a kids meal for your fetus? Can you get life insurance on your fetus just in case?

Lots to consider here as we find out just how much of a "legal person" a fetus is.

Well, this has always been one of the weird intersections between pro-choice and legal protections of lives. Such as various laws on manslaughter/murder if you assault someone and it results in the death of a fetus. Laws which no one has ever really seemed to have an objection to.

It's one of those, "We know it's not consistent, but fuck people who punch pregnant women." legal situations that pro-life people are going to point at and say, "SO WHICH IS IT? CHECKMATE, PRO-CHOICERS!"

[Finlandia WOAT]

I REALLY hope that they find something on Manchin that points to illegal levels of corruption over this and he gets his ass nailed to the wall.

Why? Then he resigns and a Republican takes the seat in his Trump +35 state.

[Ivanstone]

It's one of those, "We know it's not consistent, but fuck people who punch pregnant women." legal situations that pro-life people are going to point at and say, "SO WHICH IS IT? CHECKMATE, PRO-CHOICERS!"

I’m waiting for a single mom to sue her ex for child support going back to conception. Watching the MRA’s have a huge meltdown over it will be lovely.

[RadasNoir]

There's probably a similar trend in every country though. Looking at the data is good but people shouldn't waste their time by focusing on the correlations and the group generalizations because what matters for solving the disagreement at hand is the explanation(s), not the data.

The crux of the disagreement is that old men shouldn't be deciding what women do with their own bodies.

There is no possible rational explanation to justify why they feel like they should be able to.

[Ghost of Cow]

The crux of the disagreement is that old men shouldn't be deciding what women do with their own bodies.

It's not really, though. I know it makes for good sound bites, but "gender X can't pass laws affecting gender Y!" isn't really the basis for a legal argument.

There's plenty of other perfectly valid legal or moral arguments for abortion rights without delving into "the issue isn't the law, it's that men did it".

[s_bushido]

Honestly, it opened a huge can of worms. Are fetuses people? Do they have rights? Can you claim one as a dependent? How does it work with the carpool lane? Can you order a kids meal for your fetus? Can you get life insurance on your fetus just in case?

Lots to consider here as we find out just how much of a "legal person" a fetus is.

If pro-birth assholes want to pretend that fetuses are people, they'd have no choice but to acknowledge shit like this. Well...they wouldn't if consistency mattered in the slightest to their """policy"""-making.

Well, this has always been one of the weird intersections between pro-choice and legal protections of lives. Such as various laws on manslaughter/murder if you assault someone and it results in the death of a fetus. Laws which no one has ever really seemed to have an objection to.

It's not that complicated. Even if those laws weren't put in place by pro-birth politicians trying to smuggle fetal personhood into law, there's a world of difference between a pregnant woman who intends to carry the baby to term, and one who chooses to abort. I'll let you figure out which is the operative word in that previous sentence.

[Poopymonster]

Honestly, it opened a huge can of worms. Are fetuses people? Do they have rights? Can you claim one as a dependent? How does it work with the carpool lane? Can you order a kids meal for your fetus? Can you get life insurance on your fetus just in case?

Lots to consider here as we find out just how much of a "legal person" a fetus is.

How many Republicunts voted to give the extra $500 per kid in stimulus to women who were pregnant?

[Ghost of Cow]

It's not that complicated. Even if those laws weren't put in place by pro-birth politicians trying to smuggle fetal personhood into law, there's a world of difference between a pregnant woman who intends to carry the baby to term, and one who chooses to abort. I'll let you figure out which is the operative word in that previous sentence.

I mean, I already made it pretty clear where I stood on them, but thanks for the condescension I guess.

In any case, it's still a strange issue legally, and people will argue it. That's pretty much a given.

[Azadina]

Honestly, it opened a huge can of worms. Are fetuses people? Do they have rights? Can you claim one as a dependent? How does it work with the carpool lane? Can you order a kids meal for your fetus? Can you get life insurance on your fetus just in case?

Lots to consider here as we find out just how much of a "legal person" a fetus is.

If they're people and with rights at conception, then what about the mother holding the person captive for 9 months? Possibly against the persons wishes? Sounds like a crime to me, to hold someone against their will.

[Jotaux]

Honestly, it opened a huge can of worms. Are fetuses people? Do they have rights? Can you claim one as a dependent? How does it work with the carpool lane? Can you order a kids meal for your fetus? Can you get life insurance on your fetus just in case?

Lots to consider here as we find out just how much of a "legal person" a fetus is.

Are you not allowed to order a kids meal if you are an adult?

[Edge-]

Are you not allowed to order a kids meal if you are an adult?

That part is a bit of a joke, because the whole situation is fairly absurd and comical.

[Jotaux]

That part is a bit of a joke, because the whole situation is fairly absurd and comical.

I just wanted to check, I can't keep up with all the wacky laws down south.