SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Machismo]

Why are you bringing in RNA?

They have double-stranded DNA as most human cells, and of course some RNA based on that.

I'm pointing out how useless it is to cite DNA as some form of argument for something being a "person."

Yes, they have DNA (and RNA), just like all of us do. His argument is that having DNA makes something a person. If that's the case, then sperm and eggs are people, and we should ban male masturbation and female periods to as to not "destroy a person."

[Forogil]

The conversation was:

The world would beg to differ. When a person becomes a person does not seem to have a consensus, or measurable exact moment. I take my influence from science, basing it on DNA...

So, sperm and an egg have RNA. I guess you don't know about RNA. Perhaps you should learn some more science.

Why are you bringing in RNA?

They have double-stranded DNA as most human cells, and of course some RNA based on that.

I'm pointing out how useless it is to cite DNA as some form of argument for something being a "person."

Yes, they have DNA (and RNA), just like all of us do. His argument is that having DNA makes something a person. If that's the case, then sperm and eggs are people, and we should ban male masturbation and female periods to as to not "destroy a person."

My question was simply why are you bringing in RNA?

And you didn't answer that, and the simplest explanation is that you did in fact not know much about RNA.

No-one had mentioned RNA before (as far as I can see), and RNA isn't directly inherited between humans, or other animals or plants (but some viruses are RNA-based), and the RNA-expression in eggs and sperms is different from the RNA-expression in other human cells.

Oh, and to be clear - sex cells in humans have DNA - but with unpaired chromosomes, whereas all other human cells with chromosomes have paired ones.

But I don't see how this has any relevance for Roe vs Wade; the constitution was clearly written before this was known. And the best way to attack non-sense arguments isn't with other non-sense arguments.

[Machismo]

The conversation was:



My question was simply why are you bringing in RNA?

And you didn't answer that, and the simplest explanation is that you did in fact not know much about RNA.

No-one had mentioned RNA before (as far as I can see), and RNA isn't directly inherited between humans, or other animals or plants (but some viruses are RNA-based), and the RNA-expression in eggs and sperms is different from the RNA-expression in other human cells.

Oh, and to be clear - sex cells in humans have DNA - but with unpaired chromosomes, whereas all other human cells with chromosomes have paired ones.

But I don't see how this has any relevance for Roe vs Wade; the constitution was clearly written before this was known. And the best way to attack non-sense arguments isn't with other non-sense arguments.

Simple, to show that DNA, or even RNA, is entirely irrelevant. It's to point out that some form of genetic argument about personhood is pointless.

The best way to attack it, is to show that they are simply lying fascists and hypocrites, which was also pointed out.

[Forogil]

Simple, to show that DNA, or even RNA, is entirely irrelevant.

So, you made a point about switching from DNA to RNA - just to show that DNA (or RNA) is irrelevant?

Suuuuuuure.

It's to point out that some form of genetic argument about personhood is pointless.

And how is that related to RNA again?

The best way to attack it, is to show that they are simply lying fascists and hypocrites, which was also pointed out.

The best way to do that is to have factual arguments, and not just answer vague statements about DNA with "You don't know RNA. Learn science!".

[Captain N]

GOP lawmakers want would-be fathers to pay child support from conception

Awesome so we're going to see more women killed by their partners who don't want kids.

[s_bushido]

GOP lawmakers want would-be fathers to pay child support from conception

This (and denying abortion exceptions for everything...including rape/incest and the health of the mother) is basically them backed into a corner by their own bullshit.

[Paranoid Android]

South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion


From Washington Post so fight the paywall at your cost.

So the 65% that support Roe or I guess people on the fence just would get it that they don't care about women's rights. Well, I guess they can go after men, but just discussing abortion or finding facts, South Carolina don't want.

[Xyonai]

South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion


From Washington Post so fight the paywall at your cost.

So the 65% that support Roe or I guess people on the fence just would get it that they don't care about women's rights. Well, I guess they can go after men, but just discussing abortion or finding facts, South Carolina don't want.

This'll work just about as well as the 'You can't ban people from your social media platform if they're from our state!' bills.

Which is, to say, utterly unenforceable

[Forogil]

South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion


From Washington Post so fight the paywall at your cost.

Some in that twitter-chain claim that it has died in committee https://legiscan.com/SC/bill/S1373/2021 - I don't know if that is true, and how other similar bills will fare.

[Jastall]

South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion


From Washington Post so fight the paywall at your cost.

So the 65% that support Roe or I guess people on the fence just would get it that they don't care about women's rights. Well, I guess they can go after men, but just discussing abortion or finding facts, South Carolina don't want.

Unless they literally go full Great China Firewall on this issue, it sounds completely and utterly unenforceable, even if it survives judicial review.

[Endus]

Unless they literally go full Great China Firewall on this issue, it sounds completely and utterly unenforceable, even if it survives judicial review.

Yep. Your servers and offices aren't in SC? Then SC law doesn't matter. Don't want your citizens accessing that site? Work on your own State firewalls, then. You flatly don't have jurisdiction over the website in question.

[Gelannerai]

Yep. Your servers and offices aren't in SC? Then SC law doesn't matter. Don't want your citizens accessing that site? Work on your own State firewalls, then. You flatly don't have jurisdiction over the website in question.

As someone living in SC, I can flatly tell you that the idea of our legislature funding such a thing is pure comedy.

[Ripster42]

Work on your own State firewalls, then.

Don't think the states don't have jurisdiction there either. Reserved in the constitution (interstate commerce) for the federal gov't.

[Rasulis]

Any person who thinks that forced birth for 10-year-old children is an opportunity and a blessing is a sicko.

When Girls Under 15 Experience Childbirth, the Consequences to Their Bodies Can Be Devastating

"It is a pathetic state particularly for girls who are less than 15 years of age," said Dyalchand, head of the Institute of Health Management Pachod, a public health organization serving marginalized communities in central India. "The complications, the morbidity and the mortality are much higher in girls under 15 than girls 16 to 19 although 16 to 19 has a mortality twice as high as women 20 and above."

One critical health issue these young mothers face is that their pelvis is too small to birth even a small fetus.

Dr. Mary Jane Minkin, a board-certified OB/GYN at Yale University School of Medicine, and a member of PEOPLE's Health Squad, tells PEOPLE that there are multiple physical and psychological issues that can arise.

"Physically she is nowhere near reaching adulthood — the pelvis is not fully grown and the incidence of requiring a Cesarean section is significantly higher in the very young women," she explains, noting that typically the baby is too big to get out. "And then she may need future Cesarean sections."

"You have a child herself dealing with a pregnancy. Her own body, which had been experiencing all sorts of changes, is now experiencing even more changes and she is nowhere near emotionally competent to deal with the psychological issues of normal adolescence on top of all the new issues of pregnancy," Minkin adds. "Pregnancy can be tough to deal with for a 24 or 34-year-old woman, let alone a 10-year-old child."

[Machismo]

So, you made a point about switching from DNA to RNA - just to show that DNA (or RNA) is irrelevant?

Suuuuuuure.


And how is that related to RNA again?


The best way to do that is to have factual arguments, and not just answer vague statements about DNA with "You don't know RNA. Learn science!".

Once again, none of it is relevant... which is the point. It was mocking his own argument.

[Paranoid Android]

"Why is it that the women with the least likelihood of getting pregnant are the ones most worried about having abortions? Nobody wants to impregnate you if you look like a thumb."

Wanna guess who said this quote?



This err handsome looking man right here.

Why post this in Roe v Wade? Well once again showing the straight misogyny of the conservative movement and attitude toward women.

Oh if you want do some research on Matt Gaetz. A couple of interesting tidbits.

[gondrin]

"Why is it that the women with the least likelihood of getting pregnant are the ones most worried about having abortions? Nobody wants to impregnate you if you look like a thumb."

Wanna guess who said this quote?



This err handsome looking man right here.

Why post this in Roe v Wade? Well once again showing the straight misogyny of the conservative movement and attitude toward women.

Oh if you want do some research on Matt Gaetz. A couple of interesting tidbits.

Ok, why is he smiling AND frowning at the same time? Is he the real life Two Face?

[uuuhname]

"Why is it that the women with the least likelihood of getting pregnant are the ones most worried about having abortions? Nobody wants to impregnate you if you look like a thumb."

this comes off so much darker when you remember this fucker has been credibly accused of sex trafficking teenagers.

[Twdft]

"Why is it that the women with the least likelihood of getting pregnant are the ones most worried about having abortions? Nobody wants to impregnate you if you look like a thumb."

Probably a fan of George Carlin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K98TQJ5ldW0&t=40s

[RampageBW1]

Ok, why is he smiling AND frowning at the same time? Is he the real life Two Face?

Obviously he's a Terminator just learning how to smile.

It's a good thing I never pay attention to anything Matt Gaetz says, otherwise I might get obsessive that he has yet to be charged with child sex trafficking....