SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Dead Moose Fandango]

Starting to think a law where men don't have to pay child support if they get their dicks removed could be the only proper answer.

[Captain N]

Starting to think a law where men don't have to pay child support if they get their dicks removed could be the only proper answer.

The more likely result is that by 2028 wives will be the property of their husbands, and daughters will be back to assigned marriages for property gains.

[Ghost of Cow]

Sweet, so men have zero responsibility in the whole "creation of life" process once they've shot their load.

Tell us your political party hates women and views them as little more than baby-boxes without having to explicitly tell us that, WV Republicans.

Well, men have always had equal responsibility but zero actual control over the process. (Other than what we were always told as boys, "Just don't have sex if you don't want a baby." but you can't tell women that.)

Not that men should have any control over the process after conception, it's just...you know, we're already a non-factor in the process.

[s_bushido]

Well, men have always had equal responsibility but zero actual control over the process. (Other than what we were always told as boys, "Just don't have sex if you don't want a baby." but you can't tell women that.)

So much bullshit in so few sentences. Commendable.

[Ghost of Cow]

So much bullshit in so few sentences. Commendable.

Do tell, what's bullshit about it? Is there some secret control we have over the process that I don't know about?

Like I said, men really shouldn't have any control because that's just how the biology works. But lets not also pretend that we somehow do. There's literally zero say that men have in the situation, no matter what. (Even in the extremely rare occurrence that a woman gets pregnant through fraudulent means, the man still has no say and still is responsible!)

[Santti]

Republicans in West Virginia, now realizing that many more men will be paying child support because they abolished abortion in their state, now also want child support to be abolished.

Of course they won't admit that's why tho... they think it will help stop women from leaving the state and getting an abortion.

So, women are then made to raise the children on their own? What kind of pro-life is this supposed to be? Is this what GOP means by family values?

What they actually mean by it all is getting pretty clear, tbh. Not that it wasn't before...

[Pannonian]

As someone pointed out in one twitter thread - if you want to get rid of abortions, one easy way is to just give a vasectomy to every men at birth.

Sounds reasonable - its a small medical procedure, especially compared to a pregnancy.

[postman1782]

As someone pointed out in one twitter thread - if you want to get rid of abortions, one easy way is to just give a vasectomy to every men at birth.

Sounds reasonable - its a small medical procedure, especially compared to a pregnancy.

It is even safer than a tubal ligation.

[LilSaihah]

Paternal abortion/financial emancipation isn't really a new idea. It's been kicking around for at least a decade. Dunno why people are surprised by it.

It's also a pretty stupid position for a pro-lifer. If you think life is the most sacred thing and you're actually halfway pious, money is the lowest concern in your life.

To play devil's advocate, a lot of family court and child support law is pretty fucked up, from what I understand. But that's not the gentleman's point.

Sounds reasonable - its a small medical procedure, especially compared to a pregnancy.

I'm very curious how practically castrating every newborn son somehow turned into 'reasonable' but you do you.

[Pannonian]

Paternal abortion/financial emancipation isn't really a new idea. It's been kicking around for at least a decade. Dunno why people are surprised by it.

It's also a pretty stupid position for a pro-lifer. If you think life is the most sacred thing and you're actually halfway pious, money is the lowest concern in your life.

To play devil's advocate, a lot of family court and child support law is pretty fucked up, from what I understand. But that's not the gentleman's point.



I'm very curious how practically castrating every newborn son somehow turned into 'reasonable' but you do you.

Well, mainly it is sarcastic, but if bodily autonomy isn't a valid concern then i'd go the way that is less harmful for the population as a whole. On a technical level: Castration is removing the testicles, while emasculation is the removal of testicles + penis. A vasectomy is neither. It is also reversible.

[LilSaihah]

Well, mainly it is sarcastic, but if bodily autonomy isn't a valid concern then i'd go the way that is less harmful for the population as a whole. On a technical level: Castration is removing the testicles, while emasculation is the removal of testicles + penis. A vasectomy is neither.

A lot of people have suggested a lot of very retarded things earnestly in response to this discussion. I am very reluctant to assume anyone's being sarcastic.

[Pannonian]

A lot of people have suggested a lot of very retarded things earnestly in response to this discussion. I am very reluctant to assume anyone's being sarcastic.

I think an important part of showing how stupid and hypocritical this legislation is to take the same talking points and concepts an apply it to the other half of the population/other topics.

[Edge-]

https://www.newsweek.com/illinois-ab...nd-roe-1729310

A consequence of the ruling: Some states like Illinois that continue to offer reproductive health care are seeing a "boom" in people traveling to the state for care. I wonder if this will impact the states finances as out-of-state dollars are coming in for medical care, transportation, lodging etc.

[Cthulhu 2020]

https://www.newsweek.com/illinois-ab...nd-roe-1729310

A consequence of the ruling: Some states like Illinois that continue to offer reproductive health care are seeing a "boom" in people traveling to the state for care. I wonder if this will impact the states finances as out-of-state dollars are coming in for medical care, transportation, lodging etc.

More dollars are leaving red states? Cue the shocked noises.

[s_bushido]

https://www.newsweek.com/illinois-ab...nd-roe-1729310

A consequence of the ruling: Some states like Illinois that continue to offer reproductive health care are seeing a "boom" in people traveling to the state for care. I wonder if this will impact the states finances as out-of-state dollars are coming in for medical care, transportation, lodging etc.

It might be a boon for the businesses directly surrounding the clinics...but I can't see it being anything more than a drain on resources for the clinics themselves. It's not like federal funding is being directed away from states that have banned abortions towards those that aren't treating women as 2nd-class citizens, is it?

[Ripster42]

It might be a boon for the businesses directly surrounding the clinics...but I can't see it being anything more than a drain on resources for the clinics themselves. It's not like federal funding is being directed away from states that have banned abortions towards those that aren't treating women as 2nd-class citizens, is it?

Federal dollars never went to abortions anyway. The orgs themselves are often national non-profits, and yeah, they'll absolutely reallocate resources.

[Cthulhu 2020]

This shit just just keeps getting worse and worse.



So Georgia appeals court has allowed the state to redefine personhood to include embryos and fetuses.

I wonder what kind of fucked up unforseen consequences will come out of bacteria-sized embryos being considered people?

[postman1782]

This shit just just keeps getting worse and worse.



So Georgia appeals court has allowed the state to redefine personhood to include embryos and fetuses.

I wonder what kind of fucked up unforseen consequences will come out of bacteria-sized embryos being considered people?

I wonder if they can take out life insurance on them, and if they have a spontaneous miscarriage, that they can get paid? Because that is a great way to get some of these bullshit laws overturned, when insurance companies start going in the red for this shit.

[LilSaihah]

I wonder if they can take out life insurance on them, and if they have a spontaneous miscarriage, that they can get paid? Because that is a great way to get some of these bullshit laws overturned, when insurance companies start going in the red for this shit.

It's a fun sentiment but I think you'd have a hard time getting them to actually pay.

[Pannonian]

It's a fun sentiment but I think you'd have a hard time getting them to actually pay.

Insurances use similar calculation methods to casinos.

They'll look at how likely it is that whatever is being insured is actually happening, and then will adapt premiums and actual payments for them to still make a profit.

Meaning either the premiums will be horrendous or you will get pennies when it happens.