SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Twdft]

SC Republicans remove exceptions for rape and incest from their abortion ban bill.

Just a reminder of how extremist Republican positions continue to be

To be honest no exceptions is only logical if you ban abortions. The extremist position is to ban abortions.

[Bakis]

To be honest no exceptions is only logical if you ban abortions. The extremist position is to ban abortions.

Yes, since they can pull it through it make perfect sense. Why bring in exceptions in the mix when it is easier to hold up a total ban.

[cubby]

Michigan's State Supreme Court overturned an abortion ban, which is good news tactically, but bad news strategically.

The next couple of decades will see a hard push by the GQP to stack the state Supreme Courts, and make changes to keep them as permanent and long lasting as possible. Because ultimately the state courts will now be determining state abortion bans, and many of those state supreme court justices are [for some stupid fucking reason] elected.

The GQP will first get as many conservative justices in the door, then change the rules to make them lifetime posts.

That is the future of a majority ruled by a tyrannical minority.

[The Stormbringer]

Michigan's State Supreme Court overturned an abortion ban, which is good news tactically, but bad news strategically.

The next couple of decades will see a hard push by the GQP to stack the state Supreme Courts, and make changes to keep them as permanent and long lasting as possible. Because ultimately the state courts will now be determining state abortion bans, and many of those state supreme court justices are [for some stupid fucking reason] elected.

The GQP will first get as many conservative justices in the door, then change the rules to make them lifetime posts.

That is the future of a majority ruled by a tyrannical minority.

Sounds like people should just do abortions anyway, and cops should refuse to arrest people. Assuming you can get enough cops on your side, that is.

[Ivanstone]

Michigan's State Supreme Court overturned an abortion ban, which is good news tactically, but bad news strategically.

The next couple of decades will see a hard push by the GQP to stack the state Supreme Courts, and make changes to keep them as permanent and long lasting as possible. Because ultimately the state courts will now be determining state abortion bans, and many of those state supreme court justices are [for some stupid fucking reason] elected.

The GQP will first get as many conservative justices in the door, then change the rules to make them lifetime posts.

That is the future of a majority ruled by a tyrannical minority.

Fortunately it’s hard to get donations for judicial elections right?

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Sounds like people should just do abortions anyway, and cops should refuse to arrest people. Assuming you can get enough cops on your side, that is.

What’s the worst that could happen with unregulated abortions?

[Poopymonster]

What’s the worst that could happen with unregulated abortions?

This becomes the top seller on Amazon.

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https://apnews.com/article/abortion-...d1c8214891dd1d

South Carolina senators rejected a ban on almost all abortions Thursday in a special session called in the aftermath of the U.S. Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade.

Although Republicans had a majority of votes to pass the ban, Republican Sen. Tom Davis threatened to filibuster and proponents of the ban could not get the extra votes to stop him.

Davis, the chief of staff for former Gov. Mark Sanford before being elected to the Senate in 2009, was joined by the three Republican women in the Senate, a fifth GOP colleague and all the chamber’s Democrats to oppose the proposed ban.

Davis opposes a blanket ban on abortions in South Carolina and said he would argue against the bill until the 46-member Senate mustered the 26 votes required to end the filibuster. That appeared unlikely to happen, as only after 24 senators voted for an amended bill that included exceptions for pregnancies cause by rape or incest up to 12 weeks after conception. Twenty senators were opposed and two were absent.

After a recess to work through their options, Senate Majority Leader Shane Massey conceded the abortion ban likely couldn’t pass, although a vote to end debate had not been taken.

Damn, the filibuster threat ends up biting Republicans in the ass here in SC. Kudo's to those five Republicans for combating the extremism within their party.

[Ivanstone]

This becomes the top seller on Amazon.

This isn't a desirable outcome.

[The Stormbringer]

Fortunately it’s hard to get donations for judicial elections right?

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What’s the worst that could happen with unregulated abortions?

Obviously I'm not talking about some shitty back-alley abortions, I'm talking about trained professionals being provided with the funds, tools, and materials they need to keep doing their job normally. Just off the books.

[Ripster42]

Obviously I'm not talking about some shitty back-alley abortions, I'm talking about trained professionals being provided with the funds, tools, and materials they need to keep doing their job normally. Just off the books.

So a major criminal conspiracy, for a crime that carries life in prison in some areas for the caregivers but not the patients. The amount of prolife politicians getting caught for pressuring their mistresses to get abortions should clue you in to how dangerous that would be. And that's just the danger to the otherwise ethical physician.

You didn't read the link though. That wasn't a case of back alley abortions. It was somewhat more horrific than that, which resulted from two main things: an unethical doctor and zero regulatory oversite for a period of 15 years. Unregulated medical practice leads to some pretty gruesome outcomes.

[D3thray]

Know what ties directly into economic issues? How many people one is responsible for. Having an unwanted child can easily ruin someone financially. These people are so short sighted.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/245618/...ds-gender.aspx

There has been a pretty big spike in women thinking abortion should be legal under any circumstance during covid. Wonder why… ? /s

[The Stormbringer]

So a major criminal conspiracy, for a crime that carries life in prison in some areas for the caregivers but not the patients. The amount of prolife politicians getting caught for pressuring their mistresses to get abortions should clue you in to how dangerous that would be. And that's just the danger to the otherwise ethical physician.

You didn't read the link though. That wasn't a case of back alley abortions. It was somewhat more horrific than that, which resulted from two main things: an unethical doctor and zero regulatory oversite for a period of 15 years. Unregulated medical practice leads to some pretty gruesome outcomes.

Yes, a "major criminal conspiracy" for something that is desperately required and necessary in the modern day. Then have it regulated through a system of citizens rather than the government. Boom, case fucking solved.

If they learn that they can't stop it and people will keep doing it, with cops refusing to arrest people even, eventually they'll fucking cave and make it legal again.

[Cthulhu 2020]

https://news.gallup.com/poll/245618/...ds-gender.aspx

There has been a pretty big spike in women thinking abortion should be legal under any circumstance during covid. Wonder why… ? /s

Probably because they're realizing that illegal under any circumstance is a really terrible position that nobody should support.

It might have started in 2020 but the biggest uptick was in 2022 with 2021 close behind, so basically once all this roe vs wade stuff began.

[Rasulis]

Michigan's Supreme Court allowed abortion right constitutional amendment to be put on the ballot.

Here is another story of "We were anti-abortion until we needed one."

Once a 'quintessential pro-life Texan,' she had to flee her home state to get an abortion

A month after college graduation, Kailee and Cade married in Marble Falls, Texas. They’re both proud to be native Texans – Kailee’s family has lived there for generations and Cade’s ancestors are among Texas’ “Old Three Hundred,” the original families that joined Stephen Austin to settle the area in the 1800s.

At the time, the DeSpains were both passionately anti-abortion.

“I was just your quintessential pro-life Texan,” Kailee, 29, told CNN in a recent interview.

“I was raised in central Texas by extremely Republican parents and grandparents,” Cade, 31, said. “One hundred percent pro-life.”

A year after they were married, Kailee miscarried at 16 weeks and was hospitalized for severe complications, including blood clots and infection. It was one of three miscarriages she had in the early years of marriage.

“It made me realize that pregnancy can be dangerous,” she said. “It made me think of my little sisters, and I wanted them to be able to have a choice if they ever had to go through something like that.”

In November, Kailee and Cade were overjoyed to learn she was pregnant. Full of hope, they posted ultrasound pictures and a gender reveal video of a cannon shooting out blue confetti. They named their baby boy Finley.

Then about three months later, they learned Finley had heart, lung, brain, kidney, and genetic defects and would either be stillborn or die within minutes of birth. Carrying him to term put Kailee at high risk for severe pregnancy complications, including blood clots, preeclampsia and cancer.

Even so, they could not get an abortion in Texas and fled to New Mexico.

“I’ve never felt more betrayed by a place I was once so proud to be from,” Kailee said through tears.

“How could you be so cruel as to pass a law that you know will hurt women and that you know will cause babies to be born in pain?” she added. “How is that humane? How is that saving anybody?”

But after multiple ultrasounds, the doctors’ prognosis was grim: his heart, lung, kidney, and brain problems were severe, and his genetic disorder, called triploidy, meant he had an extra set of chromosomes. The doctors said Finley would either die before birth, or if he did make it to term, he would die a few minutes or at most an hour after birth.

One of their doctors told them, “Some of these things could be fixed, but all of these things together – this cannot be fixed,” Kailee remembers.

But the doctor said she could not offer them an abortion in Texas. She said the only option to get one was to travel out of state.

The couple opted for abortion, driving 10 hours to a clinic in New Mexico. The procedure and travel cost $3,500. They hoped their insurance would cover the procedure, but Texas law strictly limits abortion coverage, and the clinic told them their insurance company declined to pay.

The DeSpains didn’t have enough money – Kailee said she was docked pay at work because she’d had too many sick days – so Cade asked a relative he describes as “the epitome of the Trump fanboy” to give them the $3,500. The relative relented when Cade said without the abortion, he could end up a widower at age 30.

Kailee had the abortion in March when she was 19 weeks pregnant.

Kailee said her doctors told her they could only give her an abortion if she were at imminent risk of dying – essentially if she were ” ‘dying on the table.’ ”

If a physician is found in violation of the law, the punishments can be severe: heavy fines, loss of their medical license and a possible life sentence in prison.

Plus, citizens can file lawsuits against physicians they think have performed an illegal abortion, and if they win, they can get a $10,000 reward. If the citizen is wrong and the doctor wins the lawsuit, the doctor still has to pay their own legal fees, as Texas law specifically forbids doctors from recouping fees from plaintiffs.

Kailee says the last time she saw her obstetrician, she advised her not to get pregnant in Texas.

“She said ‘this is not safe,’ ” Kailee remembers. ” ‘She said, I need you to look at me. I need you to understand that if you get pregnant in Texas and that if you have complications, that I cannot intervene until I can prove that you’re going to die.’ ”

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Here is another story of "We were anti-abortion until we needed one."

Once a 'quintessential pro-life Texan,' she had to flee her home state to get an abortion

"I never thought that restricting access to health care services would impact me personally!"

Good on her for at least not hypocritically hiding that she received care during her pregnancy to protect her health. If only there were more folks like her. Shame it's only more privileged/wealthy folks that can even afford to travel out of state like that and take time off to get the health care services they may need.

[Poopymonster]

I forsee Texas and other "wild west" style states having an increase in homicides.
I mean, if a woman gets pregnant, and the father is all "Gotta have the kid" or "It's your job" and she doesn't want to...
She's already getting life in prison/death penalty for having an abortion, taking that asshole out so it doesn't happen to another woman won't make the punishment much worse.

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https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/...-supreme-court

Reminder: Ginni Thomas, wife of Clarence Thomas, has direct links to many of the anti-choice groups that argued in front of her husband on this case.

Clarence Thomas, were he in any other court, would have been obligated to recuse himself given the conflict of interest with his wife's "activism" and work.

The survey found that 51% of the parties who filed amicus briefs calling for an end to a federal abortion right have political connections to Ginni Thomas, raising concerns about a possible conflict of interest at the highest levels of the US judiciary.

Roberts continues to want a wild west, lawless court of partisan ideologues who happily ignore conflicts of interest when it suits them.

Also, again I am never letting this go, Roberts presided over oral arguments made to the SCOTUS while a lawyer was literally taking a shit. And flushed while his line was still unmuted.

[Milchshake]

Loving photos from Steve BAnnon's perp walk yesterday.



I think Trump set a record for number of staff charged and convicted of crimes.

Followed by Reagan and Nixon ... same old Republican party.

[Ripster42]

Yes, a "major criminal conspiracy" for something that is desperately required and necessary in the modern day. Then have it regulated through a system of citizens rather than the government. Boom, case fucking solved.

If they learn that they can't stop it and people will keep doing it, with cops refusing to arrest people even, eventually they'll fucking cave and make it legal again.

Yes, a major criminal conspiracy: it involves a crime that, in some states, carries a life sentence, and would require a large number of people to carry off. There's no such thing as "regulating through a system of citizens" because that's just called the government. Your premise about "cops refusing to arrest people" is also not based in reality.

What you're talking about is not going to happen. You're much more likely to see organizations provide transport out of state and laws against helping people do so challenged as interfering with the interstate commerce clause. The better option is just legalizing it federally so it's not up to states.

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She's already getting life in prison/death penalty for having an abortion.

The laws generally target the doctors and not the patients, especially for harsh sentences.

[The Stormbringer]

What you're talking about is not going to happen. You're much more likely to see organizations provide transport out of state and laws against helping people do so challenged as interfering with the interstate commerce clause. The better option is just legalizing it federally so it's not up to states.

That probably is the safest option. Hopefully we'll see lots of people providing transport to states where it's legal, then, regardless of if laws are passed to interfere with it.

Yes, I'm still advocating breaking the law. When the law is unjust, it must be broken frequently.