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    https://www.sltrib.com/news/2022/08/...ouncil-member/

    Salt Lake County council member Dave Alvord says fetuses are not part of a mother’s body because the umbilical cord and placenta do not connect directly to the woman.

    That isn’t true, but Alvord is standing by his comments in the wake of the social media pile-on he’s faced after airing those views on Twitter, in response to a tweet by Vice President Kamala Harris.

    ...

    “The baby is not part of the body of a woman,” Alvord responded in a tweet. “The umbilical cord and placenta do not directly connect to the woman. The baby floats inside the woman. It is not about the woman’s body, it’s to kill then remove the baby’s body. It is done in greater proportion to black babies.”
    This is a fantastic, stunning example of why men should be required to pass a basic biology test before attempting to legislate girl's and women's bodies. And yes, he's a very conservative Republican. How do we know this?



    https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...t-lake-county/

    Because that's a real, since deleted, post from his Facebook account. A bit low-res, but you can find the higher res image and a few other examples of Dave Alvord's amazing hot-takes on people caring about world issues, the war in Ukraine, race (as shown above), gender equality, and as the first story was about, female biology.

    https://lowersjtaxes.com/

    And yes, that's his former campaign site that he didn't renew that was purchased by someone else, instead.

    Republicans somehow don't understand the most basic reproductive functions they try to take state control of.

    He's building himself quite the national profile to fast-track his way to Republican leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    This is a fantastic, stunning example of why men should be required to pass a basic biology test before attempting to legislate girl's and women's bodies. And yes, he's a very conservative Republican. How do we know this?
    I'm still (mostly) sure that they know all this and they just say random weird shit to keep the fight going.

    Mostly because I really believe that - if the facts were just on the table and the party tribalism were removed from the picture - the vast majority of people are actually pro-choice.

    That doesn't suit the GOP, though. So they just constantly muddy the waters and put out dishonest arguments and weird "facts" to keep stirring and stirring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of Cow View Post
    I'm still (mostly) sure that they know all this and they just say random weird shit to keep the fight going.
    Given how consistently wrong they are...I'm skeptical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of Cow View Post
    Mostly because I really believe that - if the facts were just on the table and the party tribalism were removed from the picture - the vast majority of people are actually pro-choice.
    I mean, this is the reality of polling. It's consistently true, as we saw in Kansas with the recent vote on the issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of Cow View Post
    That doesn't suit the GOP, though. So they just constantly muddy the waters and put out dishonest arguments and weird "facts" to keep stirring and stirring.
    No, these people are just that ignorant.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tim-s...b0c550161c79ba

    Tim Scott thinks pregnancies last a full year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    No, these people are just that ignorant.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tim-s...b0c550161c79ba

    Tim Scott thinks pregnancies last a full year.
    Well, there's also a mother of four quoted in that article saying something stupid. Surely she has to have had some education on the topic!

    Like I said, I'm pretty sure they do it to stir the pot and/or win GOP primaries where the voting base is the craziest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of Cow View Post
    Like I said, I'm pretty sure they do it to stir the pot and/or win GOP primaries where the voting base is the craziest.
    And based off the long history of Republicans not understanding biology, and we can go back to their comments on rape and how women's bodies "know if it's rape and have a way of shutting down a pregnancy" for yet more evidence that they don't understand basic biology at all.

    I don't buy that they all actually understand it but are just being willfully stupid. I mean, I don't deny that it's probably happening, but I think that's more the minority here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    And the Senate will slap it down every time, even if it passes the house. Because they need a super majority to actually indict. We know they'll try to impeach him over shitty reasons, just like the 20 times they attempted to impeach Obama for wearing a beige suit or for ordering fancy mustard.
    But a GQP controlled House will still do it - Impeach Biden over and over again - remember, Trump is a twice-Impeached Resident. You don't have to be tried by the Senate to be Impeached. That's the second phase in the process.

    However, you are right, the Senate would never let it go to trial.

    However however, the mere act of Impeaching Biden over and over again will be horrible the country for dozens of reasons. And it looks like most everyone thinks the House will flip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    Does this surprise you at all? The next step is to simply hand wave the vote away, and enforce a total ban on abortion including cases of rape and incest. If Florida's voting laws with felons is the benchmark -- we already know that Republican legislatures don't give a rats ass about what the people want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    I would feel bad for the election workers inconvenienced with this shit but there is a bit of a silver lining -

    Kansas law requires Leavitt to post a bond to cover the entire cost of the recount.

    ...

    Caskey said the work won’t begin without a guarantee that Leavitt can cover the cost.
    So she'll have to cover the costs up-front before anyone wastes time. So at least taxpayers on the hook for something like a multi-million dollar investigation headed by a guy who openly admits he understands nothing about what he's investigating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I would feel bad for the election workers inconvenienced with this shit but there is a bit of a silver lining -



    So she'll have to cover the costs up-front before anyone wastes time. So at least taxpayers on the hook for something like a multi-million dollar investigation headed by a guy who openly admits he understands nothing about what he's investigating.
    Really hope there is some oversight on this to make sure they don’t start strategically miscount ballots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    Does this surprise you at all? The next step is to simply hand wave the vote away, and enforce a total ban on abortion including cases of rape and incest. If Florida's voting laws with felons is the benchmark -- we already know that Republican legislatures don't give a rats ass about what the people want.
    Realistically speaking, the end result will probably be a slightly bigger margin since we know which side is more likely to have questionably marked votes that on further examination should not be counted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Realistically speaking, the end result will probably be a slightly bigger margin since we know which side is more likely to have questionably marked votes that on further examination should not be counted.
    Oh I completely expect for more voters to have actually supported Pro-Choice, but we already have precedent of Republicans disregarding the votes of the people for their own agendas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Realistically speaking, the end result will probably be a slightly bigger margin since we know which side is more likely to have questionably marked votes that on further examination should not be counted.
    I think they meant that Kansas will tally the votes, find more people supported pro-choice, and then the lawmakers will ignore it and unilaterally pass a law outlawing abortion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    Does this surprise you at all? The next step is to simply hand wave the vote away, and enforce a total ban on abortion including cases of rape and incest. If Florida's voting laws with felons is the benchmark -- we already know that Republican legislatures don't give a rats ass about what the people want.
    They can't do that with this piece (I know you know that, just stating it for others), but many GQP-held states (yes, essentially enemy controlled at this point) have passed or are passing legislation that can effectively override the votes for Presidential Elections (citing "fraud" or "uncertainty" in the count, or similar).

    Also, for those that had any hope of a national vote replacing the Electoral College, that's basically over. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which was close to having enough states pass it to effectively make the national Presidential election a popular vote (because enough states had passed it, and the Compact states that, if passed by states with enough electoral votes to meet or pass 270, that all of the state's votes would go to the Presidential candidate with the most votes nationally), would almost certainly die in SCOTUS review.

    So, 2024 will once again be "interesting", for any number of reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I think they meant that Kansas will tally the votes, find more people supported pro-choice, and then the lawmakers will ignore it and unilaterally pass a law outlawing abortion.
    Kansas is oddly more blue than people realize. I was shocked when they elected their last governor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Kansas is oddly more blue than people realize. I was shocked when they elected their last governor.
    They’re not. It just shows that you can’t put up a complete dumpster fire and expect to win. Kelly is less conservative than I thought she’d be but she’s not joining the Justice Democrats either.

    John Bel Edwards won Louisiana because the GOP kept putting up shit candidates, he’s centre-right enough to make them hold their nose and he went full troll on Vitter during the election. It helps that the previous Governor was also a loon.

    The Dems can win some state wide positions. Conservatives are mostly content to vote for assholes but if you’re awful at your job your supporters won’t get off the couch.
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    In a few years, we may be seeing severe shortage of OB/GYN in pro-life states.

    OB-GYN residents want to quit in Indiana after state's abortion law, harassment

    YOUSRY: A survey of residents and fellows across all specialties at the hospital found that 80% of the doctors said they are less likely to stay and practice in Indiana with the abortion ban. Scott says last year, more than half of them stayed.

    YOUSRY: That could be trouble for patients in states like Indiana that already have a shortage of providers. One study suggests that nearly half of all rural counties in the U.S. do not have a single hospital with obstetric services. Dr. Scott says it'll also restrict the hands-on training she can offer doctors in abortion and managing miscarriages. Some programs may send residents to states without abortion restrictions, but that could be a logistical nightmare. All of this has given Beatrice Soderholm a lot to think about. Soderholm was certain she wanted to practice in Indiana. But lately, family in Minnesota have asked why she would stay.

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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/florid...ticles&via=rss

    A Florida appeals court will force a parentless 16-year-old girl to give birth because the teen is not “sufficiently mature” to decide for herself whether or not to terminate the pregnancy.

    A circuit court judge previously denied the girl’s request to waive a state law requiring minors get parental consent for an abortion. On Monday, a three-judge panel upheld the decision.

    The unnamed teen, according to the appellate ruling, is getting a GED through a program for young people who have experienced traumatic events in their lives. In her petition, the girl—who lives with a relative and has an appointed guardian—argued that she is “still in school” and “is not ready to have a baby,” noting that her guardian was “fine with what [she] wants to do.”
    That moment when you're not "sufficiently mature" enough to give informed consent for abortion services because you're a 16 year old girl, but you're apparently "sufficiently mature" as a 16 year old girl to raise a child.

    Oh, and she doesn't have parents and lives with relatives with an appointed guardian.

    Thise is the hell that Republicans and conservatives want to force girls to endure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/florid...ticles&via=rss



    That moment when you're not "sufficiently mature" enough to give informed consent for abortion services because you're a 16 year old girl, but you're apparently "sufficiently mature" as a 16 year old girl to raise a child.

    Oh, and she doesn't have parents and lives with relatives with an appointed guardian.

    Thise is the hell that Republicans and conservatives want to force girls to endure.
    Can't wait for the day Florida gets reclaimed by the ocean...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekh View Post
    Can't wait for the day Florida gets reclaimed by the ocean...
    I'm still on #TeamBugsBunny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/florid...ticles&via=rss



    That moment when you're not "sufficiently mature" enough to give informed consent for abortion services because you're a 16 year old girl, but you're apparently "sufficiently mature" as a 16 year old girl to raise a child.

    Oh, and she doesn't have parents and lives with relatives with an appointed guardian.

    Thise is the hell that Republicans and conservatives want to force girls to endure.
    She states to the court that the guardian is ready to consent to whatever choice she makes, but does not communicate that consent in proper legal fashion to the court (ie hearsay doesn’t count as proof). The original judge made that much obvious, and she naturally wins her petition when she redoes it. That’s why Florida provides a free lawyer for it, which she did not take advantage of.
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