SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Specialka]

I'm empathetic when it's warrented an deserved.

A 15 year old engaging in consensual sex and getting nocked up because they were in the heat of the moment doesn't deserve my empathy.

If they care so much about their havard application then maybe don't make stupid decisions?

As I said, you do not have empathy. Having to live an unwanted pregnancy is hell. Having to give the child to adoption or raising him (and would most probably end up as a beaten child) is a trauma.

[jonnysensible]

I'm empathetic when it's warrented an deserved.

A 15 year old engaging in consensual sex and getting nocked up because they were in the heat of the moment doesn't deserve my empathy.

If they care so much about their havard application then maybe don't make stupid decisions?

its fine to abort a baby. Whether you are doing it for medical reasons, career reasons, personal reasons or for a laugh. Ain't no ones business except the person having it. Anyone who thinks the state should make decisions regarding forced pregnancies needs to give their head a wobble.

[Skulltaker]

Wow, and a child isn't an adult. But they're both still human right?

You're just trying to find justification in murder because you convince your self that a fetus somehow isn't human. Again will a fetus ever turn into a carrot?

A fetus in itself isn't a self-sufficient life form. It solely exists as part of its host organism, the mother. Up until relative shortly before childbirth, the organism, in whatever stage of its development, cannot exist without its host. It's not a fully developed human being, but a part of the mother.

[Varx]

As I said, you do not have empathy. Having to live an unwanted pregnancy is hell. Having to give the child to adoption or raising him (and would most probably end up as a beaten child) is a trauma.

THEN. DONT. MAKE. STUPID. DECISIONS.

So many babies would be spared death of people wernt so damn selfish.

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What about when it's not consensual? As in the case of rape?

Rape and life of the mother are extreme exceptions which I've stated time and time again.

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its fine to abort a baby. Whether you are doing it for medical reasons, career reasons, personal reasons or for a laugh. Ain't no ones business except the person having it. Anyone who thinks the state should make decisions regarding forced pregnancies needs to give their head a wobble.

Wrong. Except for rape and health complications.

Anything else is selfish out of stupid decisions and making your baby pay with it's life.

[Skulltaker]

The moment the "an embryo isn't human" argument is finally proven wrong is where pro choice will finally die.

It's insane that lefties still hang in to that. It's so weak yet so reliant due to humans inate desire for an easy escape from responsibility

An embryo or fetus is human. It isn't a human, just as an acorn isn't a tree. Left to its natural development it is going to be one, eventually, but removed from a nurturing environment it'll amount to nothing but a lifeless clump of cells.

[Varx]

A fetus in itself isn't a self-sufficient life form. It solely exists as part of its host organism, the mother. Up until relative shortly before childbirth, the organism, in whatever stage of its development, cannot exist without its host. It's not a fully developed human being, but a part of the mother.

And?????

Yes that's what pregnancy is. That's how biology works. It ain't a disease. It's still human. As human as you and I are.

[Skulltaker]

THEN. DONT. MAKE. STUPID. DECISIONS.

So many babies would be spared death of people wernt so damn selfish.

Fetuses aren't babies, and aren't alive. Remove them from the host and they die, instantly.

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And?????

Yes that's what pregnancy is. That's how biology works. It ain't a disease. It's still human. As human as you and I are.

Ahm, no. Not from a biological point. Up until a certain point in its development, it's merely a part of another human.

[Varx]

An embryo or fetus is human. It isn't a human, just as an acorn isn't a tree. Left to its natural development it is going to be one, eventually, but removed from a nurturing environment it'll amount to nothing but a lifeless clump of cells.

Again, different stages of life are different.

Why hold a toddler at a higher calibur? When it's just as different to a full grown adult as an embryo is to it.

It's all completely arbitrary nonsense fueled by human greed.

An embryo is as human as any other stage of human life.

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Fetuses aren't babies, and aren't alive. Remove them from the host and they die, instantly.

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Ahm, no. Not from a biological point. Up until a certain point in its development, it's merely a part of another human.

Lmao, a fetus with a heart beat isn't alive????

Don't you not see what you're saying????

[Katchii]

THEN. DONT. MAKE. STUPID. DECISIONS.

So many babies would be spared death of people wernt so damn selfish.

You seem to be under the assumption that as long as the baby is born, it's life will be sunshine and rainbows, regardless of what kind of home it's born into, if it's put up for adoption (in a system you KNOW is completely fucked) or if the parents even want it. This is a hilariously out of touch assumption and shows, again that you actually care NOTHING about the life and care of the child and only want to control someone else and their body.

Rape and life of the mother are extreme exceptions which I've stated time and time again.

Again showing your true colors. If there are exceptions for rape, it was never about the life of the fetus and entirely about just wanting to control someone else and their choices.

Wrong. Except for rape and health complications.

Anything else is selfish out of stupid decisions and making your baby pay with it's life.

And why should you or anyone else get to decide what someone can or can't do with their own body, ever?

[Skulltaker]

Again, different stages of life are different.

Why hold a toddler at a higher calibur? When it's just as different to a full grown adult as an embryo is to it.

It's all completely arbitrary nonsense fueled by human greed.

An embryo is as human as any other stage of human life.

Again, no, it isn't.

A toddler is a self-suficiant life form. Put it on the ground, and it remains alive. It needs protection, feeding, education, but it is a form of life in itself.

A fetus, or an embryo, is not. Just like an egg is not a chicken. It will be at some point, but for the first months of your life, you're just a part of your mother. Everything that makes you human develops as part of the pregnancy.

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Lmao, a fetus with a heart beat isn't alive????

Don't you not see what you're saying????

Not in itself, no. It's part of the mother.

[Xyonai]

Time for another (the 4th?) round of the same exact arguments with Varx until his next ban, I see.

Yeh I ain't even bothering this time lol. I've said all that I feel needs to be said and there's only so many times they can retort "but dat's different tho!" before it stops being funny.

[Varx]

You seem to be under the assumption that as long as the baby is born, it's life will be sunshine and rainbows, regardless of what kind of home it's born into, if it's put up for adoption (in a system you KNOW is completely fucked) or if the parents even want it.



Again showing your true colors. If there are exceptions for rape, it was never about the life of the fetus and entirely about just wanting to control someone else and their choices.



And why should you or anyone else get to decide what someone can't or can't do with their own body, ever?

So because they're life might be hard they don't deserve a chance at it??

An extreme is an extreme. It ain't supposed to be black and white, either way it's hard.

Um when it results in the death of another? Just like how murder is illigal?

Difference is that women have been brainwashed to think their fetus ain't human and that millions and millions have been generated by abortions. We all know how shit the healthcare system is and how it's run by money.

[Skulltaker]

So because they're life might be hard they don't deserve a chance at it??

An extreme is an extreme. It ain't supposed to be black and white, either way it's hard.

Um when it results in the death of another? Just like how murder is illigal?

Difference is that women have been brainwashed to think their fetus ain't human and that millions and millions have been generated by abortions. We all know how shit the healthcare system is and how it's run by money.

First of all, if you don't know the difference between their and they're, it makes you look even dumber than the rest of your bs.

And a fetus isn't another being. Not yet, anyway. That's why it's called a fetus.

[Varx]

Again, no, it isn't.

A toddler is a self-suficiant life form. Put it on the ground, and it remains alive. It needs protection, feeding, education, but it is a form of life in itself.

A fetus, or an embryo, is not. Just like an egg is not a chicken. It will be at some point, but for the first months of your life, you're just a part of your mother. Everything that makes you human develops as part of the pregnancy.

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Not in itself, no. It's part of the mother.

So your just doing mental gymnastics to justify murder.

Because the embryo can't survive without the mother it somehow doesn't count as human and doesn't deserve to live.

Like dude if we could strip all embryos and put them in man made wombs from unwanted pregnancies then I'd be all for it.

But that's not a reality and that's how pregnancy works it's just a lot more intimate than a toddler who financially depends on his mother.

[Specialka]

THEN. DONT. MAKE. STUPID. DECISIONS.

So many babies would be spared death of people wernt so damn selfish.

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Rape and life of the mother are extreme exceptions which I've stated time and time again.

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Wrong. Except for rape and health complications.

Anything else is selfish out of stupid decisions and making your baby pay with it's life.

So I guess you have no empathy for smoker, or a walker jaywalking and getting run over by a car ?

[Varx]

Yeh I ain't even bothering this time lol. I've said all that I feel needs to be said and there's only so many times they can retort "but dat's different tho!" before it stops heing funny.

What's funny is how big of a brainwashed echo chamber this thread is

[Edge-]

A 15 year old engaging in consensual sex and getting nocked up because they were in the heat of the moment doesn't deserve my empathy.

Because 15 year olds are known for their sage wisdom, and not their raging hormones and lack of life experience.

So you'd rather force the 15 year old to go through a traumatic unwanted pregnancy, give birth, and either take care of the child themselves while they're still in highschool (bit hard!) or put the child up for adoption knowing how likely it is that it will be neglected or abused within the foster care system.

Because that's largely the alternative.

But real, that you think horny teenagers with raging hormones are rational actors speaks volumes.

[Specialka]

its fine to abort a baby. Whether you are doing it for medical reasons, career reasons, personal reasons or for a laugh. Ain't no ones business except the person having it. Anyone who thinks the state should make decisions regarding forced pregnancies needs to give their head a wobble.

Abortion is not for "laugh" though. On this point we can not agree.

[Varx]

First of all, if you don't know the difference between their and they're, it makes you look even dumber than the rest of your bs.

And a fetus isn't another being. Not yet, anyway. That's why it's called a fetus.

I'm typing fast on my phone so no I'm not paying too much attention to all my grammatical mistakes, you really that petty?

And okay whatever you say bud.

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Because 15 year olds are known for their sage wisdom, and not their raging hormones and lack of life experience.

So you'd rather force the 15 year old to go through a traumatic unwanted pregnancy, give birth, and either take care of the child themselves while they're still in highschool (bit hard!) or put the child up for adoption knowing how likely it is that it will be neglected or abused within the foster care system.

Because that's largely the alternative.

But real, that you think horny teenagers with raging hormones are rational actors speaks volumes.

I never said their rational but that doesn't justify murder. Just cause you're 15 doesn't make you a slave to your primal instincts. My wife and I were in that boat when we first started in highschool and we did everything we could to avoid pregnancy besides not having sex.

[Skulltaker]

So your just doing mental gymnastics to justify murder.

Because the embryo can't survive without the mother it somehow doesn't count as human and doesn't deserve to live.

Like dude if we could strip all embryos and put them in man made wombs from unwanted pregnancies then I'd be all for it.

But that's not a reality and that's how pregnancy works it's just a lot more intimate than a toddler who financially depends on his mother.

It's not murder since it isn't a life form yet. It doesn't even have brain activity until the 6th week of it's development, and even then it's incredibly rudementary. The fetus' brain doesn't start taking over functions of the body until roughly the start of the second trimester.