SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Blur4stuff]

Republicans fucked up so bad on this issue. If they had a unified voice on this with a reasonable week limit (more than 6 obviously) and some clearly defined exceptions (nothing vague like "life of the mother") they could have kneecapped the voter turnout dems are getting.

Somehow they seem unable to process that many abortions need to take place that have nothing to do with whether or not the mother wants the baby. There are millions of voters that would have been on the republican's side if their position had been more sane than outright banning abortion.

[DarkTZeratul]

Also, don't give me that bs on "not for lack of trying" when the article says "Tuesday’s 95-11 vote in the House — with almost all the chamber’s Democrats joining most of the Republicans."

So you agree with me, then, that they tried to pass a more comprehensive ban even though the effort ultimately failed. And that's leaving aside that South Carolina has been passing abortion restrictions purely to try and overturn Roe v. Wade for years.

But also, looking closer, South Carolina also passed a heartbeat law that effectively bans abortions at 6 weeks, but is in the same boat as Ohio in that the courts blocked it for the time being.

And this is all, of course, to say nothing of the multiple prominent Republicans in Congress that have made it explicitly clear that they intend to impose a federal ban on abortions as soon as they're able.

[Cthulhu 2020]

And this is all, of course, to say nothing of the multiple prominent Republicans in Congress that have made it explicitly clear that they intend to impose a federal ban on abortions as soon as they're able.

Do Democrats even need to campaign? Seems Republicans are giving voters a reason to get off their asses and vote Democrat more than ever before. Banning abortion is a sure fire road to losing.

[s_bushido]

Do Democrats even need to campaign? Seems Republicans are giving voters a reason to get off their asses and vote Democrat more than ever before. Banning abortion is a sure fire road to losing.

Yes. 2016 proved that even if your opponent is a worthless sack of flaming dogshit left by a prankster on your front porch, poor campaigning and the impression that victory is assured can still sink a candidate.

[Dontrike]

Abortion debates always bring out the best in people. Calm down and realize you're interacting with real humans here,

Just real people like you that want to take away the rights of other people, for no reason.

[Belize]

Abortion debates always bring out the best in people. Calm down and realize you're interacting with real humans

Maybe start treating women as real people first, and then we'll talk about being civil to Conservatives.

[Edge-]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...-role-abortion

"There should not be involvement from the federal government in how states decide their abortion decisions," Oz said when asked about his position on abortion, which has become a central midterm issue following the U.S. Supreme Court's June decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization.

"I want women, doctors, local political leaders letting the democracy that's always allowed our nation to thrive to put the best ideas forward so states can decide for themselves," Oz added.

In which Oz argues the Federal Government should actively play a role in this by intentionally staying out of it.

And that local politicians should apparently have a say in what women can and can't do with their bodies. I'm not sure what a local politician has to do with deciding individuals bodily autonomy.

Because as always, Republican ultimately want to determine what girls and women can and can't do with their bodies.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Do Democrats even need to campaign? Seems Republicans are giving voters a reason to get off their asses and vote Democrat more than ever before. Banning abortion is a sure fire road to losing.

Republican enthusiasm for the election is still higher than Democrat. Yes, they need to campaign. They need to campaign hard. Democrats made the mistake of "I don't like Trump...but I don't really like Clinton either...I think I'll sit this one out" back in 2016.

[tehdang]

Maybe start treating women as real people first, and then we'll talk about being civil to Conservatives.

Half the unborn are women, but that never stopped the pro-abortion crowd.

This isn't meant to encourage you to default to others' using "cheeto god" or "white replacement/nationalist" tell you" (the response to which you are quoting now) when the conversation gets tough. I'll assume you aren't acting as a mouthpiece for other people whose evil bona fides are uncontested, if you'll afford other people posting here the same.

[Endus]

Half the unborn are women, but that never stopped the pro-abortion crowd.

The "unborn" are an imaginary bloc of theoretical people who don't actually exist. The women to whom you're denying the right to control their own bodies, however, actually do exist.

[Edge-]

Half the unborn are women

No, they're fetuses.

[Fugus]

No, they're fetuses.

Not responding to him because I know he doesn’t actually believe the stuff he pushes but…

I do find it funny how many conservatives plead to force people to actually create lives against their will pretending it was a living being anymore than a tape worm at that stage and just as much of a soul and intelligence but then wants to abandon the child that they themselves forced to be created chanting “personal responsibility” while denying the child and their family proper access to healthcare, education and suitable housing.

Know countless over the years that respond to issues with “Not my problem” even if it was their fault just because the mess they created landed on someone else’s lap. And the moment it does land on their laps they turn into a full hypocrite but only for themselves on that single issue because they needed and deserved it but no one else does unless they liked them.

[s_bushido]

Half the unborn are women, but that never stopped the pro-abortion crowd.

Brings a whole new meaning to that "What is a woman?" horseshit. And here I was thinking that "adult" was part of the transphobes' preferred definition. That is, when they're not talking marrying and impregnating teenage women girls.

[tehdang]

No, they're fetuses.

Just when I thought it couldn't get better than accusing someone of not treating women as real people, we have someone wondering where men and women come from.

pretending it was a living being anymore than a tape worm at that stage

the mess they created

A lot of dehumanization going on here. But I am more than happy for pro-abortion types to call babies in early development "no more a living being anymore than a tape worm" and "the mess they created" because that illustrates the extent of the problem.

the child that they themselves forced to be created

Oh, now it's magically humanized as a "child", although you've got some murky parts on when the "created" happened.

chanting “personal responsibility” while denying the child and their family proper access to healthcare, education and suitable housing.

The people firebombing and attacking crisis pregnancy centers are your allies, not mine. Maybe let them distribute diapers, food, cribs, carseats, baby carriers, and a host of other things if this is really important to you.

Brings a whole new meaning to that "What is a woman?" horseshit. And here I was thinking that "adult" was part of the transphobes' preferred definition. That is, when they're not talking marrying and impregnating teenage women girls.

Use female and male if you're stuck on the semantics and early development of men and women. Unless you're trying to imply you existed as something else prior to actual birth.


I'm not even going to touch your gender/gender identity based slur of transphobe. I've seen the rules and don't want to tempt their uneven application.

[Glorious Leader]

No, they're fetuses.

And even if he genuinely believes they are people he's asking them to be born into a world without basic human rights.

[Dontrike]

Half the unborn are women, but that never stopped the pro-abortion crowd.

What you said is maddeningly stupid, especially when you consider there's a number of abortions that occur before the fetus/cells has an assigned sex. Seriously, how you're that ignorant is utterly baffling.

[Endus]

A lot of dehumanization going on here. But I am more than happy for pro-abortion types to call babies in early development "no more a living being anymore than a tape worm" and "the mess they created" because that illustrates the extent of the problem.

Not only is this an intentionally misleading argument that no right-wingers actually believe to be true (are all miscarriages to be investigated as potential homicides? Can you claim the fetus as a dependent on your taxes?), it's also fundamentally irrelevant and only used so you can avoid the real conversation.

Which is about bodily autonomy. Self-ownership. A human right which trumps all others, including anyone else's right to life, even if it were to exist. If we take a 6-month old human infant, which everyone basically agrees is a "baby", is a "child", is a "human being" with full rights and freedoms, and we presume that infant is sick and needs blood transfusions but needs special blood with unique properties that only a handful of people have, including its mother, you can't force the mother to give that blood donation. Nor anyone else, for that matter. Their bodily autonomy always trumps any right to life of that child. In every set of circumstances. Except pregnancy, and only until birth, according to religious theocrats like yourself who want their religious views about pregnancy to be made into law and applied to everyone. There's no consistency there. No basis for argument. Just "my religion says so, and you shouldn't have the freedom to make that choice". It isn't about "human life"; it's an argument about religious subjugation of others, intentional dehumanization of women, and the infliction of suffering.

Pro-life arguments are never made in good faith. None of you are honest about your intent or reasoning.

[bladeXcrasher]

Pro-life arguments are never made in good faith. None of you are honest about your intent or reasoning.

Anti-choice...because they really don't care about life. They are fine with the death penalty, fine with child mortality, fine with mortality all around basically.

[Edge-]

Just when I thought it couldn't get better than accusing someone of not treating women as real people, we have someone wondering where men and women come from.

I'm quite clear on the matter.

Unless you're going to allege that every menstruation is actually murder. Or that every male ejaculation is actually mass-murder.

Which if we're to take your logic that a developing fetus is actually a whole-ass person rather than just the potential for a person, then the other potential parts that create a person are necessarily personified too.

Damn man, every teenage boy and adult male belongs in jail for mass murder. Even if the never jerk off, everyone has had a wet dream at some point, it's just a natural part of life. That wet dream was mass murder, apparently.

[Vladier]

I'm quite clear on the matter.

Unless you're going to allege that every menstruation is actually murder. Or that every male ejaculation is actually mass-murder.

Which if we're to take your logic that a developing fetus is actually a whole-ass person rather than just the potential for a person, then the other potential parts that create a person are necessarily personified too.

Damn man, every teenage boy and adult male belongs in jail for mass murder. Even if the never jerk off, everyone has had a wet dream at some point, it's just a natural part of life. That wet dream was mass murder, apparently.

Not only that, but also, since a single egg can only be fertilized by one sperm cell and leaves all others to die, no single conception goes without a mass murder. The entire concept of human procreation is filled with genocide, apparently.