1. #4721
    https://www.wtvq.com/hundreds-of-ken...n-amendment-2/

    Over the weekend, more than 400 medical providers released a letter opposing Amendment 2, an anti-abortion amendment appearing on the Kentucky ballot.

    In the letter, the medical providers said making abortion unconstitutional will compromise care for women who are dealing with pregnancy complications, like fetal anomalies and tubal pregnancies, as well as women experiencing miscarriages, serious infections or the diagnosis of cancer during pregnancy. The providers added it would force women who have been victims of rape or incest to carry their pregnancies to term.

    “Amendment 2 takes the power to make personal medical decisions away from patients and their doctors and gives it entirely to politicians,” said Rachel Sweet, campaign manager for Protect Kentucky Access. “Health care providers know firsthand that every pregnancy is unique, and that Amendment 2 is a one-size-fits-all approach that would put their patients’ lives at risk.

    The providers also warned that if Amendment 2 were to pass, it would have “far-reaching” impacts on Kentucky’s healthcare system.

    A total abortion ban will make it more difficult to retain and recruit physicians in Kentucky and continue the downward spiral of inadequate or unavailable healthcare in the state,” the letter said.
    Republicans don't care how many people their policies hurt, they want their policies and if that results in women in their state suffering a loss of bodily autonomy and the rest of the state suffering worse health care outcomes due to an inability to attract and retain medical professionals, that's apparently a price Republicans are happy to let the residents of Kentucky pay.

    Just gotta hope that people in the state who keep electing Rand Paul and Mitch McConnel aren't still as deeply stupid as they've shown themselves to be.

  2. #4722
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.wral.com/bo-s-time-nc-re...seat/20530941/



    Ah yes, rape-panels! A woman who has suffered trauma will totally be willing to walk in front of a group of strangers, most of whom will probably be men, to recount her trauma and beg them to let her get the necessary medical care she needs.

    Because it's not up to the individual to make their own health care decisions, according to Republicans. As Mehmet Oz said, that decision is, "Between a woman, her doctor, and her local politician."

    I'm just wondering when the local politician is going to start showing up to prostate exams to "help" men make medical decisions.
    Republicans are working hard to make the hand maiden's tale a reality.

  3. #4723
    And California is the second, purely by virtue of the three-hour time difference:
    https://www.kqed.org/elections/resul...tion-amendment

  4. #4724
    All 3 measures to establish abortion right into states constitution (CA, MI, VT) passed.

    Kentucky pro-life amendment failed.

    Montana personhood amendment is pending. With 44% of the votes in, the Nay is ahead by 7%. I think this one will fail also.
    Last edited by Rasulis; 2022-11-09 at 07:30 AM.

  5. #4725
    Just dropping by to remind you guys that a fetus is a human being with a right to life and not a carrot or a Mercedes Benz. No one has the right to murder and there are a plethora of alternatives to abortion. A non perfect system is better than a zero chance at life.

    Yes there are extreme exceptions such as rape, inviable pregnancy, or the life of the mother being in jeopardy. We're not savages without complex thought.

    Someone has to remind this echo chamber of what's right if your college prof won't.

    Untill next time! You're friendly neighborhood agnostic pro gay rights conservative.

    Just take a minute if that last sentence takes a bit to sink in.

  6. #4726
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Someone has to remind this echo chamber of what's right if your college prof won't.
    Your morality stinks of Trumpist elitist privilege.

  7. #4727
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Your morality stinks of Trumpist elitist privilege.
    LOL

    I was raised by a single Hispanic mother and lived in a house occupied by 8 individuals in a bad neighborhood in Puerto Rico.

    Then moved her when I was six and lived in bathroom bedroom hybrid mini studio.

    I was just raised with values and morals. No Trumpist elitism here papi.

  8. #4728
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Just dropping by to remind you guys that a fetus is a human being with a right to life and not a carrot or a Mercedes Benz. No one has the right to murder and there are a plethora of alternatives to abortion. A non perfect system is better than a zero chance at life.

    Yes there are extreme exceptions such as rape, inviable pregnancy, or the life of the mother being in jeopardy. We're not savages without complex thought.

    Someone has to remind this echo chamber of what's right if your college prof won't.

    Untill next time! You're friendly neighborhood agnostic pro gay rights conservative.

    Just take a minute if that last sentence takes a bit to sink in.
    So you intend to pay and take care of all the women that would have unwanted children ? That would fit your value and morals ? Aiding the poor.

  9. #4729
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    So you intend to pay and take care of all the women that would have unwanted children ?
    Na that's the governments job.

    Im sure if both sides put their heads in the game it could be figured out. Starting with proper sex ed and accessibility to proper contraceptives

  10. #4730
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Na that's the governments job.

    Im sure if both sides put their heads in the game it could be figured out. Starting with proper sex ed and accessibility to proper contraceptives
    You are the one that is anti abortion, hence why should you not pay and assume your choice ?

    Contraception is not 100% safe.

    Are you under the impression that most women have un protected sex and use abortion as a contraception ?

  11. #4731
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    You are the one that is anti abortion, hence why should you not pay and assume your choice ?
    Well I do pay for it. Forget about taxes?

    They just need to be spent better and wisely.

    Maybe take the millions and millions of profit generated by abortions to give such a system a kick start.

  12. #4732
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Well I do pay for it. Forget about taxes?

    They just need to be spent better and wisely.

    Maybe take the millions and millions of profit generated by abortions to give such a system a kick start.
    Abortion allows more people to get out of poverty.

    Raising kids and having a career can be quite hard, especially as a single parent.

  13. #4733
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Abortion allows more people to get out of poverty.

    Raising kids and having a career can be quite hard, especially as a single parent.
    Tell that to my super unprivileged Latina single mother, lol....

    All it takes is the right mentality.

  14. #4734
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Tell that to my super unprivileged Latina single mother, lol....

    All it takes is the right mentality.
    If that was so easy, it would be done. Why is it not ?

  15. #4735
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    If that was so easy, it would be done. Why is it not ?
    Who said it was easy????

    Nothing in life is worth having if it doesn't take effort.

    You think we should design society using the weak willed as a template?

  16. #4736
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    I was just raised with values and morals. No Trumpist elitism here papi.
    Your values and morals still stink of Trumpist elitist privilege.
    Maybe you'll grow up out of this Boebert phase.

  17. #4737
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Na that's the governments job.
    Will you support higher taxes for this? Because that's the cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Starting with proper sex ed and accessibility to proper contraceptives
    Would help if Republicans didn't consistently push for "abstinence only" education and their refusal to support proven effective policies including making birth control easily available. Can't compromise when one side refuses to compromise.

  18. #4738
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Who said it was easy????

    Nothing in life is worth having if it doesn't take effort.
    So you have no argument ?

    Honestly, you have next to zero. It is like I am talking to Endus, totally unreasonable person.

  19. #4739
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Your values and morals still stink of Trumpist elitist privilege.
    Maybe you'll grow up out of this Boebert phase.
    You clearly didn't read my response.

  20. #4740
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Who said it was easy????

    Nothing in life is worth having if it doesn't take effort.

    You think we should design society using the weak willed as a template?
    And the strong should protect the weak, not impose his will upon them.

    So are you ready to do so ?

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