1. #4741
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Will you support higher taxes for this? Because that's the cost.



    Would help if Republicans didn't consistently push for "abstinence only" education and their refusal to support proven effective policies including making birth control easily available. Can't compromise when one side refuses to compromise.
    No I support wiser spending and using the blood money generated by abortion to start it off.

    I agree with the second point. 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    So you have no argument ?

    Honestly, you have next to zero. It is like I am talking to Endus, totally unreasonable person.
    That is my argument....you said if it was easy the. People would do it more.

    Again nothing in life that's worth having comes easy.

    You wanna use weak people as the gold standard for society???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    And the strong should protect the weak, not impose his will upon them.

    So are you ready to do so ?
    Protect and guide the weak. Not let them influence you.

  2. #4742
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    No I support wiser spending and using the blood money generated by abortion to start it off.

    I agree with the second point. 100%

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    That is my argument....you said if it was easy the. People would do it more.

    Again nothing in life that's worth having comes easy.

    You wanna use weak people as the gold standard for society???
    I also do not want to use the "strong" as you seem to imagine them. Forcing one will upon the weak. Bleh.

  3. #4743
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    No I support wiser spending and using the blood money generated by abortion to start it off.
    "Wiser spending" means nothing. This will cost more money, do you support paying taxes to raise this money? If not then you're proposing an unworkable fantasy.

    "Blood money"? Abortions are provided by private companies, not the government. I'm not sure if those procedures are taxed, but the revenue from taxing them wouldn't be shit if an additional tax was added, and would just further ensure that health services are out of reach for the poor but remains accessible for the wealthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    I also do not want to use the "strong" as you seem to imagine them. Forcing one will upon the weak. Bleh.
    No one is forcing their will on anyone but society has rules to abide by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    No one is forcing their will on anyone but society has rules to abide by.
    Yes, and society should protect its weak member. And women with unwanted pregnancy are "weak member".

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    Montana voters reject 'born alive' abortion referendum

    It is official. Every single constitutional amendment to restrict abortion failed to pass with pretty wide margins. We are talking about hard core red states here - Kansas, Kentucky and Montana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Just dropping by to remind you guys that a fetus is a human being with a right to life and not a carrot or a Mercedes Benz. No one has the right to murder and there are a plethora of alternatives to abortion. A non perfect system is better than a zero chance at life.

    Yes there are extreme exceptions such as rape, inviable pregnancy, or the life of the mother being in jeopardy. We're not savages without complex thought.

    Someone has to remind this echo chamber of what's right if your college prof won't.

    Untill next time! You're friendly neighborhood agnostic pro gay rights conservative.

    Just take a minute if that last sentence takes a bit to sink in.
    Just dropping by to remind you that it's nice for you to have an opinion, but your gut feeling isn't fact. I don't know who humiliated you in your academic life that you look down upon colleges as this posts so clearly demonstrates, still your ignorance is not a substitute for education.

    Your sexual orientation and how you were raised doesn't change a shitty take.

  8. #4748
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    "Wiser spending" means nothing. This will cost more money, do you support paying taxes to raise this money? If not then you're proposing an unworkable fantasy.

    "Blood money"? Abortions are provided by private companies, not the government. I'm not sure if those procedures are taxed, but the revenue from taxing them wouldn't be shit if an additional tax was added, and would just further ensure that health services are out of reach for the poor but remains accessible for the wealthy.
    Look I'm not a political science major. I can't say how a better system could work and be financed. Yeah MAYBE increase taxes by a reasonable amount.

    Perhaps tax millionaires and billionaires even more.

    I'm just talking about the core idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Look I'm not a political science major. I can't say how a better system could work and be financed. Yeah MAYBE increase taxes by a reasonable amount.

    Perhaps tax millionaires and billionaires even more.

    I'm just talking about the core idea.
    And the core idea is that unwanted pregnancy are hard to come through and it is terrible for the mother and the child afterward. So you are wrong overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Just dropping by to remind you that it's nice for you to have an opinion, but your gut feeling isn't fact. I don't know who humiliated you in your academic life that you look down upon colleges as this posts so clearly demonstrates, still your ignorance is not a substitute for education.

    Your sexual orientation and how you were raised doesn't change a shitty take.
    So a fetus is a carrot then?? I'm sorry I thought it was human.

    I was never humiliated in academia, I graduated suma cum laude. I've just come to realize just how disgustingly liberal most colleges are with little to no acceptance of conservative opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    And the core idea is that unwanted pregnancy are hard to come through and it is terrible for the mother and the child afterward. So you are wrong overall.
    Yeah the mother can heal, go through therapy, etc. Who's helping the child after the fact though?

    There are resources. Can they improved? Of course.

    And again all it takes is the right mindset

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Yes, and society should protect its weak member. And women with unwanted pregnancy are "weak member".
    Yeah so protect them by giving them proper resources and assistance.

  11. #4751
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    So a fetus is a carrot then?? I'm sorry I thought it was human.

    I was never humiliated in academia, I graduated suma cum laude. I've just come to realize just how disgustingly liberal most colleges are with little to no acceptance of conservative opinions.

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    Yeah the mother can heal, go through therapy, etc. Who's helping the child after the fact though?

    There are resources. Can they improved? Of course.

    And again all it takes is the right mindset
    You do realize that therapy is not the alpha and omega here and can't "heal" everything ? I mean, do you have a child ? Do you know what a women go through ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    So a fetus is a carrot then?? I'm sorry I thought it was human.

    I was never humiliated in academia, I graduated suma cum laude. I've just come to realize just how disgustingly liberal most colleges are with little to no acceptance of conservative opinions.

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    Yeah the mother can heal, go through therapy, etc. Who's helping the child after the fact though?

    There are resources. Can they improved? Of course.

    And again all it takes is the right mindset
    Someone who graduated summa cum laude should be able to differentiate between their personal religious feelings and actual facts. Just because you somehow put a lump of cells on a pedestal doesn't make it so. Please keep your religion out of other peoples wombs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    You do realize that therapy is not the alpha and omega here and can't "heal" everything ? I mean, do you have a child ? Do you know what a women go through ?
    Not at the moment but working on it with the Mrs after two consecutive miscarriages, so I have a warped idea of it yes...

    And let me tell you the Mrs is as pro life as you can get after experiencing something so horrific.

    But that's how life is. You learn via experiences, the shittiest being the best teachers if all.

    But I know therapy ain't the best thing In the world but it is better than murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Well I do pay for it. Forget about taxes?

    They just need to be spent better and wisely.

    Maybe take the millions and millions of profit generated by abortions to give such a system a kick start.
    Cause YOU are saying they have to keep it.

  15. #4755
    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Someone who graduated summa cum laude should be able to differentiate between their personal religious feelings and actual facts. Just because you somehow put a lump of cells on a pedestal doesn't make it so. Please keep your religion out of other peoples wombs.
    Lol, I am not religious at all. I'm agnostic, borderline atheist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Cause YOU are saying they have to keep it.
    Right, cuz it's the right thing to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Not at the moment but working on it with the Mrs after two consecutive miscarriages, so I have a warped idea of it yes...

    And let me tell you the Mrs is as pro life as you can get after experiencing something so horrific.

    But that's how life is. You learn via experiences, the shittiest being the best teachers if all.

    But I know therapy ain't the best thing In the world but it is better than murder.
    Nice that it's working for the both of you. Now maybe don't impose your morals and religions on others because its not your fucking business?

  17. #4757
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Lol, I am not religious at all. I'm agnistic, borderline atheist
    And yet your silly antiquated ideas are aligned with the radicalized religious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Lol, I am not religious at all. I'm agnistic, borderline atheist

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    Right, cuz it's the right thing to do
    Since your argument is only based on your personal beliefs, i doesn't matter which label you're putting on yourself. It is just your belief you're trying to enforce on others.

  19. #4759
    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Nice that it's working for the both of you. Now maybe don't impose your morals and religions on others because its not your fucking business?
    Again, not religious....

  20. #4760
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Again, not religious....
    And you don't have any morals either???

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