1. #4761
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Not at the moment but working on it with the Mrs after two consecutive miscarriages, so I have a warped idea of it yes...

    And let me tell you the Mrs is as pro life as you can get after experiencing something so horrific.

    But that's how life is. You learn via experiences, the shittiest being the best teachers if all.

    But I know therapy ain't the best thing In the world but it is better than murder.
    Since it is not murder from a legal standpoint and from morals as well.

    So do you have any pertinent argument or that's it ?

  2. #4762
    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Since your argument is only based on your personal beliefs, i doesn't matter which label you're putting on yourself. It is just your belief you're trying to enforce on others.
    I mean all of society is based off of someone's personal beliefs right?

    Those that are shared across millions.

    Issue with abortion is that the left has brainwashed people thinking that it's a right after realizing just how profitable it is.

    And with human being humans, they take w/e legal get out of jail card they can get to not face the consequences of their actions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    And you don't have any morals either???
    You tell me, I'm advocating for the chance at life for the unborn. That's evil to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Lol, I am not religious at all. I'm agnostic, borderline atheist

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    Right, cuz it's the right thing to do
    Says YOU. I say the right thing is what's best for the life that can support itself.

  4. #4764
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    I mean all of society is based off of someone's personal beliefs right?

    Those that are shared across millions.

    Issue with abortion is that the left has brainwashed people thinking that it's a right after realizing just how profitable it is.

    And with human being humans, they take w/e legal get out of jail card they can get to not face the consequences of their actions
    In my country, even the right is pro abortion. It is not a left right thing.

  5. #4765
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Since it is not murder from a legal standpoint and from morals as well.

    So do you have any pertinent argument or that's it ?
    Fron legal no, from strictly moral of course it is. Let's be real now....

  6. #4766
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    You tell me, I'm advocating for the chance at life for the unborn. That's evil to you?
    You answered a question with another question the point was your belief in the unborn isn't shared by others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    And you don't have any morals either???
    So what is it then? Because legally speaking abortion is not murder. So where does this connection come from if it isn't your personal belief.

    Just because you don't want to add this label to yourself doesn't change the fact that it is an argument purely based on your personal beliefs which are contradicted by society at large. Maybe you should have listened a bit more to these "librul profs" - could have helped...

  8. #4768
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    In my country, even the right is pro abortion. It is not a left right thing.
    Well we're talking about the US and it definitely is a left thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    So what is it then? Because legally speaking abortion is not murder. So where does this connection come from if it isn't your personal belief.

    Just because you don't want to add this label to yourself doesn't change the fact that it is an argument purely based on your personal beliefs which are contradicted by society at large. Maybe you should have listened a bit more to these "librul profs" - could have helped...
    Think you quoted the wrong poster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    You answered a question with another question the point was your belief in the unborn isn't shared by others.
    It's shared by millions. What are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Fron legal no, from strictly moral of course it is. Let's be real now....
    Moral.. no religious.. sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Well we're talking about the US and it definitely is a left thing.
    Polling and voting shows otherwise, it's a strong belief of Christian fundamentalist which is represented in the right. I mean Kentucky failed to pass anti abortion measures that's a deep red state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Think you quoted the wrong poster.
    I did! Hope it is obvious enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    So what is it then? Because legally speaking abortion is not murder. So where does this connection come from if it isn't your personal belief.

    Just because you don't want to add this label to yourself doesn't change the fact that it is an argument purely based on your personal beliefs which are contradicted by society at large. Maybe you should have listened a bit more to these "librul profs" - could have helped...
    Just because the majority is pro choice doesn't make it right.

    Way back when pro slavery was the majority.

  15. #4775
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Fron legal no, from strictly moral of course it is. Let's be real now....
    It is debatable. Like a risk/benefit for society. Having an unwanted children lead a woman to poverty, especially when it is a young women. You can't go to college in most case, you will have difficulty to have a career, you will have difficulty bonding with your child, etc... leading to a terrible life for both of them. Is that what you want ?

  16. #4776
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    It's shared by millions. What are you talking about?
    so does the earth being flat your point?

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    Okay okay, I'm off break we'll continue this later. Too many people responding to me lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    so does the earth being flat your point?
    That I'm not the only one?

    Again just because it not a majority opinion doesn't make it right. Member slavery?


    Okay NOW that's it

  18. #4778
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    That I'm not the only one?

    Again just because it not a majority opinion doesn't make it right. Member slavery?


    Okay NOW that's it
    And the opposite is true as well, I am not sure how that's a good retort. A minority of people believe in Qanon so they must be right...

  19. #4779
    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    Montana voters reject 'born alive' abortion referendum

    It is official. Every single constitutional amendment to restrict abortion failed to pass with pretty wide margins. We are talking about hard core red states here - Kansas, Kentucky and Montana.
    This cannot be stressed enough: The Republican position continues to consistently be rejected by their own voters. Even in deep red states attempts to permanently outlaw abortion or specify that their Constitution does not grant a right/legal access to it keep losing.

    That's it. That's the long and short of it. America is largely with "us" on this, even if we have differences of opinion when it comes to limitations. But the resounding, repeat result is this: American's consistently reject extremist Republican attempts to outlaw all access to reproductive health services like abortion. Period. There's no ifs, ands, or buts.

  20. #4780
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    And the opposite is true as well, I am not sure how that's a good retort. A minority of people believe in Qanon so they must be right...
    I guess his point is that because a majority believes in something does not make it absolutely right. Flat earth theory is BS because science. Abortion is a bit muddy in that area, it is more about morals and what we want our society to become.

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