SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Varx]

It seems you have a problem with abstract thought. No wonder the librul professors went over your head. You cannot even entertain a thought that would go against your fundamental religious principles.

Sad actually, because this point has some merit i'd argue. Now i don't see every fetus as a cancer - because that would be stupid, but if you cannot imagine that for a person that doesn't want to be pregnant there is no difference (the thing inside you using up your resources without your consent, making you sick literally and making you handicapped for months) - now making this connection does not feel good, but guess that - this is life. I'm not a woman, and i will never experience that, but that doesn't mean i can handwave that away with "its only 9 months"

Would you force people to go through 9 months of life threatening sickness. Would you go through that because someone on a message board thinks you should?

The female body is designed for pregnancy. Can there be complications? Of course.

But Cancer is a cold blooded killer.

Just stop

[Edge-]

How can they when social media and Hollywood, what Gen z mostly consumes is far left?

Is it? You keep making all these claims but never bother to back any of them up.

[Draco-Onis]

Still not a sickness per se. And a shitty argument.

Agreed but the pro life argument is purely emotional and it doesn't help that the people who are pro-life are anti everything that supports raising a kid.

[Edge-]

Yeah the one guy is comparing cancer to pregnancy and the other is saying he's correct because both deal with splitting of a cell.

How you think I'ma react

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3822720/

Medically during the earliest stages of development?...yes, actually.

Because he's medically correct. You're not.

[Varx]

Science doesn't care about your feelings those are the facts both are clumps of cells.

Science doesn't say that pregnancy and cancer is the same

[Draco-Onis]

Science doesn't say that pregnancy and cancer is the same

At the early stages it does.

[Varx]

Because he's medically correct. You're not.

Just because both deal with cell splitting doesn't make them the same.

One is a disease, the other is a natural part of life for every animal in the planet.

They are just trying to do a bad argument in purpose and you know it. So please

[Pannonian]

Dude seriously?????

This is the type of shit that makes someone go full life.

Q.E.D. Rejecting science for personal religious dogma. Why do you insist on keeping up the act?

[Varx]

At the early stages it does.

Even in early stages pregnancy is programed to stop.

Cancer is programed to fuck you up.

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Is it? You keep making all these claims but never bother to back any of them up.

I don't need to. It's clearly visible by anyone with a phone

[Endus]

How is it anti science. If you come across a case we're someone's fetus turned into a PS5 please let me know so I can shut up, and to give me the contact info since I still can't get my hands on one.

It's "anti-science" because if you're going to consider a 3-week-old fetus a "human being" based on its position as part of the reproductive cycle, you necessarily have to extend the same consideration to every single gamete. Every period a woman has is a human being dying. Every masturbatory ejaculation by a man is a mass murder numbering in the millions, each lining up with the Holocaust in total death count.

Is that reasonable? Obviously not. But that's the argument you are making; that it's one of the stages of human reproduction and development, therefore it's a human being.

Plus, "human being" in this context is a legal term, not a scientific one. Scientifically, a Homo Erectus fossil from 2 million years ago is a "human being". Note "is", not "was". The fossil still exists, so the remains continue to be a human being.

The only source for the idea that a fetus should be considered a human being, with the full legal rights thereof, is faith. Usually religion, but other types of spirituality can fall in there too. I don't care that you keep claiming to be agnostic; this position of yours is still entirely faith-based. It's like saying "I'm agnostic, borderline atheist, but I still believe in literal angels and demons". Or "but I still believe there's a divine plan for me". It doesn't make sense. There is no secular basis for the idea of fetal personhood. It's just factually inaccurate, and carries so many inconsistencies with it that it's clear it's never really thought through. For instance; all natural miscarriages would, necessarily, be investigated as potential homicides. If you were right about this idea. That isn't the case, anywhere, because nobody actually believes this bullshit to be true. Not when push comes to shove. It's just a convenient lie to use in attacking women's rights and freedoms, which is the entire purpose of pro-life movements. Which is why the efforts are all entirely rooted in attacking women's rights, and not in developing technologies to support a fetus outside the womb at earlier and earlier stages of development. Which, y'know, would be the better way to go if you actually gave a single shit about the fetus for honest and open reasons.

This whole "it doesn't turn into a carrot or a PS5" garbage is the same bullshit irrational nonsense pushed by religious extremists, which also in no way helps your case in pretending to be non-religious.

[Draco-Onis]

Even in early stages pregnancy is programed to stop.

Cancer is programed to fuck you up.

There's a reason pregnancy tests are only accurate from a certain point on and cancers vary not all of them are programmed to "fuck you up".

[Edge-]

Just because both deal with cell splitting doesn't make them the same.

One is a disease, the other is a natural part of life for every animal in the planet.

They are just trying to do a bad argument in purpose and you know it. So please

When presented between:

Scientific paper with experts in their field doing a neutral analysis of facts.

and

Some guy on the internet shitposting

I'm going with the experts/professionals.

[Pannonian]

The female body is designed for pregnancy. Can there be complications? Of course.

But Cancer is a cold blooded killer.

Just stop

So you'd be fine to be forced to be pregnant if you were a woman because your body was built to do it?

And as was already posted: Science doesnt care about your (religious) feelings.

Oh and bonus points: Every disease is a natural part of life.

[Varx]

Q.E.D. Rejecting science for personal religious dogma. Why do you insist on keeping up the act?

I think the fact that I'm not religious scares you because it shows you the type of person you are huh? So you resort to call me a lyer.

I ain't rejecting science. Having one similarity between cancer and early pregnancy doesn't make them the same.

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So you'd be fine to be forced to be pregnant if you were a woman because your body was built to do it?

And as was already posted: Science doesnt care about your (religious) feelings.

Oh and bonus points: Every disease is a natural part of life.

Obviously.... Many women are. You think it's only men who are pro life....

And you know exactly what I mean by natural.

[Pannonian]

I think the fact that I'm not religious scares you because it shows you the type of person you are huh? So you resort to call me a lyer.

I ain't rejecting science. Having one similarity between cancer and early pregnancy doesn't make them the same.

You rejected science presented to you in several posts by now and the only counterclaim is your gut feeling. I don't care about the label, but as long as you're using religious arguments there is no difference, just like ... idk ... a fetus in early development and cancer.

[Shadowferal]

I think the fact that I'm not religious scares you because it shows you the type of person you are huh? So you resort to call me a lyer. I ain't rejecting science. Having one similarity between cancer and early pregnancy doesn't make them the same.

You are what you are...

[Edge-]

I think the fact that I'm not religious scares you because it shows you the type of person you are huh? So you resort to call me a lyer.

I ain't rejecting science. Having one similarity between cancer and early pregnancy doesn't make them the same.

It is literally rejecting science in favor of rhetoric espoused by religions who reject science. You have absolutely no factual or scientific basis for your claims and you have elucidated absolutely no positions of the sort, instead relying on more metaphysical arguments that have no actual evidence in support of them beyond your words.

Which thus far have proven to be worth nothing as you've been consistently proven wrong or unable to back up a single claim with actual evidence.

[Mekh]

Cancer is programed to fuck you up.

wtf are you on about? Cancer isn't programmed to do anything.

[Varx]

When presented between:

Scientific paper with experts in their field doing a neutral analysis of facts.

and

Some guy on the internet shitposting

I'm going with the experts/professionals.

I'm not disputing that pregnancy and cancer both deal in mitosis. I'm just saying that it's completely pointless in this argument.

Shows how little respect pro choicers have towards life.

And yet I'm the bad guy, lol my god.

[Pannonian]

I think the fact that I'm not religious scares you because it shows you the type of person you are huh? So you resort to call me a lyer.

I ain't rejecting science. Having one similarity between cancer and early pregnancy doesn't make them the same.

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Obviously.... Many women are. You think it's only men who are pro life....

And you know exactly what I mean by natural.

And even if 3,999,999,999 woman are pro-life, it doesn't mean that the only pro-abortion woman should be forced to do anything.

And i know exactly what you mean by natural, that's why i highlighted it. it present the flaw in all your arguments perfectly. You somehow get to choose what is natural and what not, which is only based on your subjective belief, not on measurable level.

Still you havent ansered my question: Would you be fine to be forced to be pregnant all the time?