1. #4821
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Someone doesn't agree with me. You prob think I'm lying about being raised by a single Hispanic mother too.
    You're a liar. Why wouldn't I?

  2. #4822
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    I'm starting to like you more and more.
    I am just being realistic but still pro abortion through and through. I just make the effort to understand the argument from the other side, things that most of the kids here do not do.

  3. #4823
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Dude seriously?????

    This is the type of shit that makes someone go full life.
    This is a description of basic mindless reactionaryism.

  4. #4824
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I do! I also think music is extremely influential. And movies/TV. And their parents. And a whole host of other things.

    But if you want to single out one specific thing rather than, I don't know, the Republican party for failing to convince Gen-Z that they have a platform worth voting for that's fine.
    How can they when social media and Hollywood, what Gen z mostly consumes is far left?

  5. #4825
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Didn't Republicans advocate for the freedom of slaves?

    Hmmmmm.
    Incorrect the labels of today have nothing to do with the past for example for a long time the dominating force was the democratic republican party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Wow.... Pregnancy is synonymous with cancer

    There you go people. This is the type of person that turned me pro life.
    It seems you have a problem with abstract thought. No wonder the librul professors went over your head. You cannot even entertain a thought that would go against your fundamental religious principles.

    Sad actually, because this point has some merit i'd argue. Now i don't see every fetus as a cancer - because that would be stupid, but if you cannot imagine that for a person that doesn't want to be pregnant there is no difference (the thing inside you using up your resources without your consent, making you sick literally and making you handicapped for months) - now making this connection does not feel good, but guess what - this is gross reality of life. you cannot just put your ears over your ears and mumble "dont do it". How many times do we have to show how aboritions will happen whether they're legal or not. This is the real world, not your fantasy make belief world where you have a solution for everything. I'm not a woman, and i will never experience that, but that doesn't mean i can handwave it away with "its only 9 months"

    Would you force people to go through 9 months of life threatening sickness. Would you go through that because someone on a message board thinks you should?

  7. #4827
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    This is a description of basic mindless reactionaryism.
    Yeah the one guy is comparing cancer to pregnancy and the other is saying he's correct because both deal with splitting of a cell.

    How you think I'ma react

  8. #4828
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Dude seriously?????

    This is the type of shit that makes someone go full life.
    Science doesn't care about your feelings those are the facts both are clumps of cells.

  9. #4829
    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    It seems you have a problem with abstract thought. No wonder the librul professors went over your head. You cannot even entertain a thought that would go against your fundamental religious principles.

    Sad actually, because this point has some merit i'd argue. Now i don't see every fetus as a cancer - because that would be stupid, but if you cannot imagine that for a person that doesn't want to be pregnant there is no difference (the thing inside you using up your resources without your consent, making you sick literally and making you handicapped for months) - now making this connection does not feel good, but guess that - this is life. I'm not a woman, and i will never experience that, but that doesn't mean i can handwave that away with "its only 9 months"

    Would you force people to go through 9 months of life threatening sickness. Would you go through that because someone on a message board thinks you should?
    The female body is designed for pregnancy. Can there be complications? Of course.

    But Cancer is a cold blooded killer.

    Just stop

  10. #4830
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    How can they when social media and Hollywood, what Gen z mostly consumes is far left?
    Is it? You keep making all these claims but never bother to back any of them up.

  11. #4831
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Still not a sickness per se. And a shitty argument.
    Agreed but the pro life argument is purely emotional and it doesn't help that the people who are pro-life are anti everything that supports raising a kid.

  12. #4832
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Yeah the one guy is comparing cancer to pregnancy and the other is saying he's correct because both deal with splitting of a cell.

    How you think I'ma react
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3822720/

    Medically during the earliest stages of development?...yes, actually.
    Because he's medically correct. You're not.

  13. #4833
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Science doesn't care about your feelings those are the facts both are clumps of cells.
    Science doesn't say that pregnancy and cancer is the same

  14. #4834
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Science doesn't say that pregnancy and cancer is the same
    At the early stages it does.

  15. #4835
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Because he's medically correct. You're not.
    Just because both deal with cell splitting doesn't make them the same.

    One is a disease, the other is a natural part of life for every animal in the planet.

    They are just trying to do a bad argument in purpose and you know it. So please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Dude seriously?????

    This is the type of shit that makes someone go full life.
    Q.E.D. Rejecting science for personal religious dogma. Why do you insist on keeping up the act?

  17. #4837
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    At the early stages it does.
    Even in early stages pregnancy is programed to stop.

    Cancer is programed to fuck you up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Is it? You keep making all these claims but never bother to back any of them up.
    I don't need to. It's clearly visible by anyone with a phone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    How is it anti science. If you come across a case we're someone's fetus turned into a PS5 please let me know so I can shut up, and to give me the contact info since I still can't get my hands on one.
    It's "anti-science" because if you're going to consider a 3-week-old fetus a "human being" based on its position as part of the reproductive cycle, you necessarily have to extend the same consideration to every single gamete. Every period a woman has is a human being dying. Every masturbatory ejaculation by a man is a mass murder numbering in the millions, each lining up with the Holocaust in total death count.

    Is that reasonable? Obviously not. But that's the argument you are making; that it's one of the stages of human reproduction and development, therefore it's a human being.

    Plus, "human being" in this context is a legal term, not a scientific one. Scientifically, a Homo Erectus fossil from 2 million years ago is a "human being". Note "is", not "was". The fossil still exists, so the remains continue to be a human being.

    The only source for the idea that a fetus should be considered a human being, with the full legal rights thereof, is faith. Usually religion, but other types of spirituality can fall in there too. I don't care that you keep claiming to be agnostic; this position of yours is still entirely faith-based. It's like saying "I'm agnostic, borderline atheist, but I still believe in literal angels and demons". Or "but I still believe there's a divine plan for me". It doesn't make sense. There is no secular basis for the idea of fetal personhood. It's just factually inaccurate, and carries so many inconsistencies with it that it's clear it's never really thought through. For instance; all natural miscarriages would, necessarily, be investigated as potential homicides. If you were right about this idea. That isn't the case, anywhere, because nobody actually believes this bullshit to be true. Not when push comes to shove. It's just a convenient lie to use in attacking women's rights and freedoms, which is the entire purpose of pro-life movements. Which is why the efforts are all entirely rooted in attacking women's rights, and not in developing technologies to support a fetus outside the womb at earlier and earlier stages of development. Which, y'know, would be the better way to go if you actually gave a single shit about the fetus for honest and open reasons.

    This whole "it doesn't turn into a carrot or a PS5" garbage is the same bullshit irrational nonsense pushed by religious extremists, which also in no way helps your case in pretending to be non-religious.


  19. #4839
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Even in early stages pregnancy is programed to stop.

    Cancer is programed to fuck you up.
    There's a reason pregnancy tests are only accurate from a certain point on and cancers vary not all of them are programmed to "fuck you up".

  20. #4840
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Just because both deal with cell splitting doesn't make them the same.

    One is a disease, the other is a natural part of life for every animal in the planet.

    They are just trying to do a bad argument in purpose and you know it. So please
    When presented between:

    Scientific paper with experts in their field doing a neutral analysis of facts.

    and

    Some guy on the internet shitposting

    I'm going with the experts/professionals.

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