SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Pannonian]

This is both categorically false and such a galling example of brutal misogyny that it says everything anyone needs to know about the origin of your views.

Straight up Handmaid's Tale bullshit.

I think that became clear when he claimed he is fine with striping woman of their human rights because of some nebulous "respect for life".

[Varx]

No, this is not how that works. Consent to sex is consent to sex, up to the point where consent is withdrawn (and if its in the middle of the action). There is no implicated pregnancy consent. Again, this is you projecting your religion on society.

Nope because I ain't religious. Believe it or not.

And that's where our opinions differ. Sex is not JUST some recreational activities. The scientific fact, not religious, is that sex creates life.

Now whether or not you have the morals to respect and value that life is up to you. Which clearly you don't.

[Draco-Onis]

And to think I’ve been missing the empanadas this whole time.

The radical comparisons like cancer or organ donation just affect the political winds pushing on people without firm convictions.

Or maybe because the people who wrote the laws made them so broad that that it affects cancer, organ donations and medical treatments that involve birth control. But we cannot expect you to actually read the shit you are supporting.

[Endus]

I'm asking for a clear definition of "life" that doesn't involve metaphysical explanations like a "soul". Which you have yet to elucidate.

We're all waiting, though.

I'm particularly interested in the attempt to define "life" in a way that includes a fertilized zygote but not the gametes pre-fertilization.

[Draco-Onis]

is that sex creates life.

Gay people don't exist in your universe? or is gay sex not sex?

[Varx]

I'm asking for a clear definition of "life" that doesn't involve metaphysical explanations like a "soul". Which you have yet to elucidate.

We're all waiting, though.

The life of a single living organism.

I mean you know exactly what I mean. Why bother asking questions like that. This isnt a "got you moment" at all and you know it

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Gay people don't exist in your universe? or is gay sex not sex?

Gay people can't adopt if you kill all the unwanted babies.

[Mekh]

Gay people can't adopt if you kill all the unwanted babies.

Gay people can have sex without getting pregnant, so sex does not automatically lead to pregnancy. Maybe your Hispanic mother didn't have the time to tell you or didn't know if she had 8 kids.

[Edge-]

The life of a single living organism.

Good lord, every ejaculation (including wet dreams) is a holocaust. Girls and women who menstruate are committing murder each and every month. You ripped off some skin falling down? Tens of millions of deaths are on your hands.

That tumor on your brain? Can't remove that, either. That's a living organism.

And probably also shouldn't do much about that bacterial infection you got, bacteria is alive so we wouldn't want to commit mass-murder.

I mean you know exactly what I mean. Why bother asking questions like that. This isnt a "got you moment" at all and you know it

Because I honestly don't know your position as it's a jumbled mess of appeals to the metaphysical, claims to not being arguing from the metaphysical, and generally you being painfully vague and non-specific with comments/arguments.

[Pannonian]

And to think I’ve been missing the empanadas this whole time.

The radical comparisons like cancer or organ donation just affect the political winds pushing on people without firm convictions. Its a weakness in popular argument, but it doesn’t invalidate all the others. Allowances for the failure of birth control, allowances for youth, allowances for the father abandoning responsibility, allowances for very early stage abortions after a mistake. Those all involve compromises. Those are still around even as the pro choice side becomes more shrill and dogmatic. Especially on the internet.

You know what's funny? The whining about the civilized discourse. I'm all for compromise, because at the end of the day we as a society have to work. I think we in europe have found a compromise that makes life work for nearly everyone.

Still, i'm getting annoyed. Could we have had this discussion like that? Maybe. But that guy jumped into the thread whining about librul profs. See, if you set the tone in that way, then i have no qualms about using crude and graphic arguments.

Want to argue about your scientific prowess, well use scientific argument.

But if you jump into the thread, insult people, then whine about civility - not gonna happen mate.

(Not talking about you, but the guy you quoted. Just wanted to make sure you understand that he was shown the same civility he opened with. If he wants to have a more friendly conversation, he could have opened with that and not by insulting everyone. No need to paint it as one side only has shrill arguments.)

[Draco-Onis]

Gay people can't adopt if you kill all the unwanted babies.

You said the only purpose of sex is to have babies so I am asking you does gay sex not count?

[Endus]

And that's where our opinions differ. Sex is not JUST some recreational activities. The scientific fact, not religious, is that sex creates life.

Right there, in bold. That's anti-scientific faith-based garbage.

The creation of life, scientifically, is "abiogenesis". As near as we can tell, the last time abiogenesis occurred was some 3.8 billionish years ago. That's when life was first formed. Hell, even the use of "created" is scientifically problematic, as it implies a "creator", and you'd be hard-pressed to find any actual paleobiologists who's regularly use that term.

Since that origin point, life has replicated, and mutated, and evolved, but it's a continuous replicatory stream, with no new "life" being "created". Just life continuing to replicate. When a single-celled organism splits in two, there was never any un-life that became alive. And the same is true of mammalian reproduction today, including human reproduction; there is no spark of life that is "created" at any point. It's a torch that's consistently passed on, never going out; the fire was lit billions of years ago.

The idea that life is "created" in fertilization is fundamentally and irrevocably religious, and contradicts scientific understanding. This is why nobody takes your bullshit seriously.

[Varx]

This is both categorically false and such a galling example of brutal misogyny that it says everything anyone needs to know about the origin of your views.

Straight up Handmaid's Tale bullshit.

Lmao

Handmaid's is just unrealistic liberal nightmare BS. No one is gonna rape you to make a baby to help the population lol chill out man

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You said the only purpose of sex is to have babies so I am asking you does gay sex not count?

I never said that....

Sex is fun. I'm not saying not to have sex. I'm saying be prepared for the possible consequences

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Right there, in bold. That's anti-scientific faith-based garbage.

The creation of life, scientifically, is "abiogenesis". As near as we can tell, the last time abiogenesis occurred was some 3.8 billionish years ago. That's when life was first formed. Hell, even the use of "created" is scientifically problematic, as it implies a "creator", and you'd be hard-pressed to find any actual paleobiologists who's regularly use that term.

Since that origin point, life has replicated, and mutated, and evolved, but it's a continuous replicatory stream, with no new "life" being "created". Just life continuing to replicate. When a single-celled organism splits in two, there was never any un-life that became alive. And the same is true of mammalian reproduction today, including human reproduction; there is no spark of life that is "created" at any point. It's a torch that's consistently passed on, never going out; the fire was lit billions of years ago.

The idea that life is "created" in fertilization is fundamentally and irrevocably religious, and contradicts scientific understanding. This is why nobody takes your bullshit seriously.

Because it is?

Until someone can show me that a fetus will turn into a PS5 after conception then I'll shut up. Untill then it's just a part of HUMAN development.

[Endus]

Lmao

Handmaid's is just unrealistic liberal nightmare BS. No one is gonna rape you to make a baby to help the population lol chill out man

You're literally arguing that rapists can rape women to make a baby and you'd force the woman to bear that child to term for the rapist.

[Mekh]

You said the only purpose of sex is to have babies so I am asking you does gay sex not count?

I think @Varx is too vanilla to know about all the fun variations of sex that have zero risk of pregnancy, which is why his definition is so pedestrian.

[Edge-]

Until someone can show me that a fetus will turn into a PS5

Why is this your arbitrary measure?

[Varx]

Good lord, every ejaculation (including wet dreams) is a holocaust. Girls and women who menstruate are committing murder each and every month. You ripped off some skin falling down? Tens of millions of deaths are on your hands.

That tumor on your brain? Can't remove that, either. That's a living organism.

And probably also shouldn't do much about that bacterial infection you got, bacteria is alive so we wouldn't want to commit mass-murder.



Because I honestly don't know your position as it's a jumbled mess of appeals to the metaphysical, claims to not being arguing from the metaphysical, and generally you being painfully vague and non-specific with comments/arguments.

What?????

Really : /

Single cells aren't one single full living ORGANISM.

Ffs...

[Endus]

Because it is?

Not an argument. You're just admitting you don't have a case, but somehow want to be taken seriously.

Not gonna happen.

[Fugus]

Just had to wade through 7 pages of pigeon food and pigeon shit, Varx thanks you guys for all the food he could have asked for......

[Shadowferal]

Ignore the troll. He's not interested in any attempt of convincing anyone. He probably saw red states coming out against his daddy's beliefs and panicked.

[Pannonian]

Lmao

Handmaid's is just unrealistic liberal nightmare BS. No one is gonna rape you to make a baby to help the population lol chill out man

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I never said that....

Sex is fun. I'm not saying not to have sex. I'm saying be prepared for the possible consequences

You want woman to be forced to be pregnant. I mean at least you came to the conclusion that your policy is a nightmare...

Oh you know how to deal with consequences: An abortion for example.

Also, i think it is time you read up a bit on biology, because your takes on that ... wow... its a wild mix of evangelical dogma and gut feeling.