SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[BeepBoo]

Did someone force starvation on them????

Why does it matter how they ended up starving? Most of the time I'd say poor people end up where they are due to unfortunate circumstances and bad luck as opposed to outright horrible decisions. To me, that doesn't matter. It's still a whole lot of "not my problem, not my concern."

The fetus is not more important, they're equal. The mother can easily send them for adoption as they wish.

But you see, there literally isn't an "equal" in this circumstance. Equal would be neither party gets what they want, or both parties get what they want, but that's not happening in your scenario. The baby gets what it (presumably innately) "wants" while the mother doesn't. The mom is forced to continue to supplement the life of the unborn child like a parasite.

So, someone has to win, and my predisposition is always in favor of whoever is the one that would be providing the support to the other. If something can't live on it's own and would require the forced help of something else, that first "something" deserves to not be alive.

[Varx]

You're wrong, by definition. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8

Also, you're confusing bodily autonomy and right to life, intentionally.



Nope. The self defense laws don't create an exception to any supposed "no killing" law. Only certain types of killing are unlawful, and self defense is one of the cases that isn't.

Once you've acknowledged that rape victims should be able to abort, you need to make a case for others, on some principle other than the generics you've already admitted can't be true by allowing for rape victims to abort.



Like, first, it's objectively false, and second, by allowing exceptions for rape victims, you've admitted you don't even believe it. This is why we can't take you seriously.



Where'd you ever get the idea I'm trying to convince you? You don't matter. I'm making sure nobody else thinks you have anything meaningful to say and doesn't get misled by the nonsense you're trying to push.

Lol you're not making a service to anyone. I'm sure everyone here is capable of coming to their own conclusion with your help so go take your high horse back to the stable Sir white knight.

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Show me the law forcing speech that liberals have passed.

There isn't, but they'd pass it if they could. Look at shi hole Canada for example.

And that's the point. And you said only conservatives apparently try to force their shit on people.

Hypocrite liberals as usual.

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You claimed basic reproduction was a "superpower". That's a fundamentally religion-based view. You're lying to my face.



You're free to be as racist and bigoted as you want to be in your speech. There's no law against that.

Everyone else is free to think you're a bigoted shithead for doing so, and say so publicly to call you out, and stop having anything to do with you including ending business and employment relationships. And the only one responsible for those outcomes would be you, for being a bigot, in this hypothetical. Nothing's been "forced" on you; you demonstrated that you're a terrible person and others responded accordingly.

Yeah thank God, freedom of speech is amazing. But the point I was making is that liberals would do such a thing which is them forcing their fascism towards others to protect a very small minority, again Canada is a prime example.

It's just an example as that poster said that only conservatives try to push shit on others

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There isn't, but they'd pass it if they could. Look at shi hole Canada for example.

Oh god, are you one of the people who fell for Peterson's stupid bullshit about Bill C-17?

Canada ranks higher than the USA on freedom indices. But sure, we're a "shit hole", that makes you sound reasonable.

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Why does it matter how they ended up starving? Most of the time I'd say poor people end up where they are due to unfortunate circumstances and bad luck as opposed to outright horrible decisions. To me, that doesn't matter. It's still a whole lot of "not my problem, not my concern."

But you see, there literally isn't an "equal" in this circumstance. Equal would be neither party gets what they want, or both parties get what they want, but that's not happening in your scenario. The baby gets what it (presumably innately) "wants" while the mother doesn't. The mom is forced to continue to supplement the life of the unborn child like a parasite.

So, someone has to win, and my predisposition is always in favor of whoever is the one that would be providing the support to the other. If something can't live on it's own and would require the forced help of something else, that first "something" deserves to not be alive.

Of course they both win, baby lives, mom gives up parental rights. Her body is designed for pregnancy so relax. And I'm all for life of the mother exception given complications.

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Oh god, are you one of the people who fell for Peterson's stupid bullshit about Bill C-17?

Canada ranks higher than the USA on freedom indices. But sure, we're a "shit hole", that makes you sound reasonable.

Canada has criminalized misgendering people... That's what I'm talking about. Now stop derailing the thread and get off your high horse, no one here needs your wisdom, we're all adults.

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Of course they both win, baby lives, mom gives up parental rights. Her body is designed for pregnancy so relax. And I'm all for life of the mother exception given complications.

They don't both win, though. You're just completely ignoring the entire PREGNANCY part of it and skipping to the end. IMO even 1 second of the mother giving forced help she doesn't want to is too much and flies in the face of "equal."

You're saying she's not equal during the pregnancy, but gets to resume being treated as an equal after. That. Is. Not. Equal.

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Canada has criminalized misgendering people... That's what I'm talking about. Now stop derailing the thread and get off your high horse, no one here needs your wisdom, we're all adults.

Yep, that never happened, that was bullshit Peterson invented because he's a fascy idiot and gullible rubes lapped it up.

You are, again, just openly lying.

[Varx]

They don't both win, though. You're just completely ignoring the entire PREGNANCY part of it and skipping to the end. IMO even 1 second of the mother giving forced help she doesn't want to is too much and flies in the face of "equal."

You're saying she's not equal during the pregnancy, but gets to resume being treated as an equal after. That. Is. Not. Equal.

Did anyone force her to get pregnant? No.

And pregnancy is a natural part of life. She'll be fine... You act like someone is taking a chainsaw to her limbs.

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Yep, that never happened, that was bullshit Peterson invented because he's a fascy idiot and gullible rubes lapped it up.

You are, again, just openly lying.

I had to correct my Dad on this Bullshit as well. I'm amazed it keeps going around.

[Varx]

Yep, that never happened, that was bullshit Peterson invented because he's a fascy idiot and gullible rubes lapped it up.

You are, again, just openly lying.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...fm5RwiGBZF5CJF

Amazing what a quick Google search does.

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Did anyone force her to get pregnant? No.

And pregnancy is a natural part of life. She'll be fine... You act like someone is taking a chainsaw to her limbs.

They literally are. Pregnancy is hard on the human body. And sure as hell isn't 100% safe. Abortion is safer statistically. Some people also have a higher predisposition for problems during pregnancy.

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I had to correct my Dad on this Bullshit as well. I'm amazed it keeps going around.

Because it's true.

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They literally are. Pregnancy is hard on the human body. And sure as hell isn't 100% safe. Abortion is safer statistically. Some people also have a higher predisposition for problems during pregnancy.

This is why I said if the life of mommy is in danger then it's an exception.

Most pregnancy aren't life threatening

[Paranoid Android]

Four of the five Supreme Court justices who overturned the constitutional right to abortion showed up at the conservative Federalist Society's black-tie dinner marking its 40th anniversary.

When your boss tells you to show up for an event, you show up.

[BeepBoo]

Did anyone force her to get pregnant? No.

But you're forcing her to stay pregnant because you think the baby's desires are more important than her desires. I suppose humans shouldn't be able to escape consequences of any natural occurrences, right? "Did anyone force him to get cancer?" "Did anyone force him to speed and wreck his car?" etc.

Guess we're not allowed to avoid or reverse consequences of bad choices, even if we actually have the means and technology to!

And pregnancy is a natural part of life. She'll be fine... You act like someone is taking a chainsaw to her limbs.

"She'll be fine" lol.

Like pregnancy doesn't PERMANENTLY alter your body. Or have tons of health risks associated with it. Or cause tons of uncomfortable/inconvenient things in your life. Nice to know you don't care about any of that. YOU deem it doesn't matter, so it doesn't! Very equal of you.

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...fm5RwiGBZF5CJF

Amazing what a quick Google search does.

Amazing what reading the first few lines does. That case was about intentional harassment and targeted abuse over membership in a protected class, which is a violation of human rights laws. Literally the same thing as if the employer kept calling an employee by racial or anti-LGBT slurs. Not casually misgendering, which was your original claim.

Edit: Also not criminalized; it was a civil tort before a human rights tribunal, not a criminal case before the criminal courts.

[Varx]

But you're forcing her to stay pregnant because you think the baby's desires are more important than her desires. I suppose humans shouldn't be able to escape consequences of any natural occurrences, right? "Did anyone force him to get cancer?" "Did anyone force him to speed and wreck his car?" etc.

Guess we're not allowed to avoid or reverse consequences of bad choices, even if we actually have the means and technology to!


"She'll be fine" lol.

Like pregnancy doesn't PERMANENTLY alter your body. Or have tons of health risks associated with it. Or cause tons of uncomfortable/inconvenient things in your life. Nice to know you don't care about any of that. YOU deem it doesn't matter, so it doesn't! Very equal of you.

Another person comparing disease to pregnancy, Jesus Christ....

And one more time for fun boy and girls, if the life of mommy is in danger then it's an exception.

Outside of that the body easily recovers from pregnancy

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Canada has criminalized misgendering people...

Fuckin lol, imagine taking the guy that thinks we're basically lobsters, can't keep his own room clean despite admonishing others for failing to do so, and doesn't know a thing about WWII history while talking about how "if the Nazi's just enslaved the Jews they could have won!" (they did do this, btw)

No wonder you're a mess of contradictory views, you go to literally the most smoothbrained sources for information.

[Varx]

Amazing what reading the first few lines does. That case was about intentional harassment and targeted abuse over membership in a protected class, which is a violation of human rights laws. Literally the same thing as if the employer kept calling an employee by racial or anti-LGBT slurs. Not casually misgendering, which was your original claim.

Which is the government restricting speech because someone's feelings got hurt.

That's not the same as yelling fire or bomb in a crowded space.

Check mate papi. Go feed your horse.

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Fuckin lol, imagine taking the guy that thinks we're basically lobsters, can't keep his own room clean despite admonishing others for failing to do so, and doesn't know a thing about WWII history while talking about how "if the Nazi's just enslaved the Jews they could have won!" (they did do this, btw)

No wonder you're a mess of contradictory views, you go to literally the most smoothbrained sources for information.

Um what? How is this about WW2 now????

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Which is the government restricting speech because someone's feelings got hurt.

Nope. That's a lie. In defense and support of bigotry.

[Varx]

Nope. That's a lie. In defense and support of bigotry.

How is it a lie????

You just confirmed that they criminalizing calling people slurs


You even said yourself that anyone has the right to be a bigoted asshole.

LOLOLOLOL.

and now you prove my point that if liberals had it their way they'd force their views on others.

Good job my man.

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Which is the government restricting speech because someone's feelings got hurt.

That's not the same as yelling fire or bomb in a crowded space.

Check mate papi. Go feed your horse.

Harassment is illegal in many places. Including here in the US.