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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Are we still losing?
    Actually, yes. He continued to kick your butts till his ban and will likely continue to do so when he returns because collectively you never seem to learn your lesson on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Actually, yes. He continued to kick your butts till his ban and will likely continue to do so when he returns because collectively you never seem to learn your lesson on this.
    Just curious in what way did he kick our butts? because we replied? I'm still not understanding this game you think somehow we were all playing but didn't know. How is it possible to lose a game that you never agreed to play?


    Are you suggesting we ignore people that say stupid shit? Can I start with you lmao.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Just curious in what way did he kick our butts? because we replied? I'm still not understanding this game you think somehow we were all playing but didn't know. How is it possible to lose a game that you never agreed to play?
    Keep in mind his terms for victory is who can make the other side waste the most time with pointless debate. Unfortunately that ignores the fact that Varx posted more than anyone else here recently (even at the potential cost of his own life by posting and driving). I suppose if he crashed his car and died it would've been a draw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastard View Post
    Keep in mind his terms for victory is who can make the other side waste the most time with pointless debate. Unfortunately that ignores the fact that Varx posted more than anyone else here recently (even at the potential cost of his own life by posting and driving). I suppose if he crashed his car and died it would've been a draw?
    I mean did he really win when we are all laughing at him while he is banned? He won because we posted on a site we normal post on? Fugus is just making no sense here.
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  5. #5185
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    I mean did he really win when we are all laughing at him while he is banned? He won because we posted on a site we normal post on? Fugus is just making no sense here.
    Well, he DID routinely reply with an ever-increasing amount of "LOLOLOLOL" responses. In the idiots guide to internet debate, it clearly states "if you can't form a decent retort, simply add a few more L's and O's and it will stagger your opponents into defeat." We never had a chance.

  6. #5186
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Just curious in what way did he kick our butts? because we replied? I'm still not understanding this game you think somehow we were all playing but didn't know. How is it possible to lose a game that you never agreed to play?


    Are you suggesting we ignore people that say stupid shit? Can I start with you lmao.
    As Nastard said, his goal wasn't to debate you, if he was trying to engage in something that intellectual, then he would be considered to have failed. But that was never his intent, his intent was to get you guys worked up and wasting time and energy engaging him and watching how frustrated you would get doing it.

    The only way to win his game is to not play. He didn't care if you were right or he was wrong, your reactions and engagement is what he was going for and he got it. When I called him out on it, even he admitted that if you guys stopped responding to him he would have likely moved on.

    Every time you responded to him, he won, you lost. For the 10 pages you guys kept responding to him that was 10 pages of him kicking your butts. When you guys stopped responding to me when I called you out for it, THAT is how you guys need to react to him and others like him.

    And am I suggesting we ignore people who say stupid shit? Depends, are they saying stupid shit to engage in an actual debate or are they intentionally saying stupid shit to get a reaction from you?

    If they are trying to engage in a real debate and question, by all means respond, debate, and educate.
    If they are just trying to get a reaction and interaction from you, ignore and move on, they will get bored and move only pretty quickly when they aren't getting the attention they crave.

    As far as his time, who knows what his time is like in real life? Could be someone stuck working a lot of "On Call" positions, could be retired and bored, could be mentally stunted and in the mindset of a child or quite literally just be a child who's parents "Home School" them using a website and no oversight of them.

    I mean did he really win when we are all laughing at him while he is banned? He won because we posted on a site we normal post on? Fugus is just making no sense here.
    He won when you kept engaging him and watching how you would respond to him and get frustrated at him. He didn't care if you were right, he cared that he got reactions from you guys and got under your skins and responded to him, THAT was his game.

    This is a situation where you can't look at it from the perspective of a good faith debate, this is the mindset of someone bored and just having fun pissing people off, when you see his posts with that mindset, you understand what he did and what you fell for.

    Kinda like Bart's repeated pranks on Moe's Tavern in the Simpsons if Bart had stayed on the phone and kept it going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    He won when you kept engaging him and watching how you would respond to him and get frustrated at him.
    Nobody got frustrated. Plenty of us were bemused that his position was ultimately that pregnancy should be a punishment for sex.

    But this kind of "troll game" is all ironic, and not for the reason the right wingers think it is. They come onto boards where PEOPLE ARE ALREADY POSTING, say a bunch of stupid shit, get people to debate them, then flaunt that they won some sort of game of wasting people's time? The reality is they only throw that line out when they've otherwise made a complete idiot of themselves and everyone is calling them out for their idiocy. They need to retrieve a shred of their dignity they lost.

    It's basically that comic where one guy walks up to a group of people, goes "HEY LOOK AT ME, I'M AN IDIOT HURRR DURRRRRRRRRRRR"

    The next panel is just the others saying "Fuck off idiot"

    And then he says "Joke's on them, I was only pretending"

    They think they're winning some game when they're the only person playing said game. Ironic humor trolling is not the "own" some people seem to think it is. You included.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Every time you responded to him, he won, you lost. For the 10 pages you guys kept responding to him that was 10 pages of him kicking your butts. When you guys stopped responding to me when I called you out for it, THAT is how you guys need to react to him and others like him.
    Aha! But that's where he was falling into OUR trap! We were doing the exact same thing back to him. Though, he knew we knew which emboldened him in his replies. However, WE knew he knew we knew. Alas, he knew we knew he knew we knew. Conversely, we knew he knew we knew he knew we knew.

    Um...have you ever used a word so much it starts to look weird and wrong? Knew... knew... No, I don't think that's actually a word. What were we talking about again? Oh yeah, people feeding a troll. Yeah, the moment he said "no one forces pregnancy on a woman" it was clear he was trolling, but let's be honest here. Nothing ever ACTUALLY gets resolved on these forums even in the most civil of debates. It's just entertainment for bored people, and as dumb as his posts were he was amusing for a time. Also to be clear, I don't think it's possible for there to ever be a "winner" in this kinda situation. It implies that him wasting his own time in an attempt to get others to waste time is a victory. That's only true if his time was worthless in the first place. Hmm.. you may be onto something here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    He won when you kept engaging him and watching how you would respond to him and get frustrated at him. He didn't care if you were right, he cared that he got reactions from you guys and got under your skins and responded to him, THAT was his game.
    Nobody here but you, apparently, gives any shits what little personal "game" Varx may or may not have been playing.

    He doesn't set the rules of engagement nor the goals that people are seeking to achieve. His interpetation of events here is meaningless and irrelevant to anyone but himself. Regardless of whether he was playing such a game, the rest of us weren't, and he thus has no points to "win" except in his own head.

    Why should any of us give a shit? Why would you? If he wasn't playing by the rules of good faith discussion, which is the actual "game" being played here, he "lost". So badly he's now banned.

    You're arguing the top set of panels. Reality is the bottom set of panels. C'mon. https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/.../Trollface.png

    Made worse because the incredibly shitty and irrational arguments he was making are literally being made by major federal and State representatives in the USA in their own continued attack on women's basic human rights and dignity. Regardless of how much Varx might believe the shit he posted, a lot of people make the same claims, so we can't just handwave that shit as "trolling" in the first place.
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  10. #5190
    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    Nobody got frustrated. Plenty of us were bemused that his position was ultimately that pregnancy should be a punishment for sex.

    But this kind of "troll game" is all ironic, and not for the reason the right wingers think it is. They come onto boards where PEOPLE ARE ALREADY POSTING, say a bunch of stupid shit, get people to debate them, then flaunt that they won some sort of game of wasting people's time? The reality is they only throw that line out when they've otherwise made a complete idiot of themselves and everyone is calling them out for their idiocy. They need to retrieve a shred of their dignity they lost.

    It's basically that comic where one guy walks up to a group of people, goes "HEY LOOK AT ME, I'M AN IDIOT HURRR DURRRRRRRRRRRR"

    The next panel is just the others saying "Fuck off idiot"

    And then he says "Joke's on them, I was only pretending"

    They think they're winning some game when they're the only person playing said game. Ironic humor trolling is not the "own" some people seem to think it is. You included.
    Not me included, I haven't been playing the game, I have been calling you guys out for playing the game while pretending you weren't. I have seen plenty on here get worked up to getting infractions telling people off for the stupidity they spit while playing the game they claim they aren't playing.

    And while there are plenty of right wing trolls doing this, it isn't exclusive to them, plenty will do it cosplaying just for reactions. Just because you don't get worked up or think others aren't, this isn't a face to face debate where they see you look at him like Ben Stillwell from The Boys, he sees you constantly responding to some of the dumbest stuff insulting and all.

    And it isn't them just throwing that line out when they think they were a fool, they came into it knowing they were going to act the fool, this is the internet and they are completely anonymous, they can just sit and play and play and so long as they keep getting people willing to respond to them, they can keep it going to see how many people they can get annoyed and angry. And if you guys weren't getting worked up you wouldn't have kept responding to such stupid stuff for so long, you would have wrote him off and moved on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    And while there are plenty of right wing trolls doing this, it isn't exclusive to them, plenty will do it cosplaying just for reactions.
    I'd also like to point out that the Venn diagram of "legitimate bigots being bigots" and "trolls pretending to be bigots for reactions" is a single perfect circle. There's no distinction there. The latter are the former.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Nobody here but you, apparently, gives any shits what little personal "game" Varx may or may not have been playing.

    He doesn't set the rules of engagement nor the goals that people are seeking to achieve. His interpetation of events here is meaningless and irrelevant to anyone but himself. Regardless of whether he was playing such a game, the rest of us weren't, and he thus has no points to "win" except in his own head.

    Why should any of us give a shit? Why would you? If he wasn't playing by the rules of good faith discussion, which is the actual "game" being played here, he "lost". So badly he's now banned.

    You're arguing the top set of panels. Reality is the bottom set of panels. C'mon. https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/.../Trollface.png
    So you are saying that you guys don't care that you guys are paying played for fools in his eyes and many others feeding into a pointless back and forth where they don't care about the merits of the conversation at all but just to get a response from you?

    It isn't a case of it just being him who thinks he won, to anyone who sees the game he is playing, he won. You maybe have won the game you think you are playing with him, but that isn't the game he is playing at all.

    But, if the logic boils down to.
    1) I don't care if he won his game, I wasn't playing.
    2) I won my game even if he wasn't playing it.

    Just seems like a really bad take and just a consolation prize when he never intended to play your game and he drug you into his game whether you admitted it or not. But up to you guys.

    Just expect him to come back in the future after his time out is up and he will continue his game and he will continue to win in it against you because you refuse to stop playing. But that's on you guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    So you are saying that you guys don't care that you guys are paying played for fools in his eyes
    Yes, I legitimately could not give less of a single shit what Varx thinks about me. Or a lot of other people, for that matter. Why the hell would I waste my time worrying about shit like that?

    A lot of right-wing posters think I'm a psycho commie for being a socialist. And? Fuck 'em. I do not and won't ever care what they think. None of them matter to me. They can go on being wrong about me forever, and it'll never impact me in the least.

    It isn't a case of it just being him who thinks he won, to anyone who sees the game he is playing, he won. You maybe have won the game you think you are playing with him, but that isn't the game he is playing at all.
    Sure feels like you're kicking off your own match right now, with how you're pushing this pretty fuckin' silly idea.

    Just expect him to come back in the future after his time out is up and he will continue his game and he will continue to win in it against you because you refuse to stop playing. But that's on you guys.
    Nobody but Varx and, apparently, yourself gives any consideration to what secret "game" Varx may or may not have been playing. Why would anyone here care? It doesn't matter. Not to anyone else here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I'd also like to point out that the Venn diagram of "legitimate bigots being bigots" and "trolls pretending to be bigots for reactions" is a single perfect circle. There's no distinction there. The latter are the former.
    Massive overlap, but not a perfect circle, you really haven't seen people who try to get reactions just to get reactions?

    There is plenty of distinction between a right wing bigot being a dumb ass and someone who doesn't care about either side of it or even think about it being an ass just to be an ass.

    Which one is which is pretty hard to tell without a history of them before they started engaging in their stuff but given this is a gaming forum, can expect plenty who just wondered in this section be the same type who used to lure people into raids that were already completed just to get them saved to it for that week and unable to do anything just so they could laugh at them. That is the mindset you are "Debating" when you engage with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Nobody but Varx and, apparently, yourself gives any consideration to what secret "game" Varx may or may not have been playing. Why would anyone here care? It doesn't matter. Not to anyone else here.
    Well, enjoy when he returns along with all the Orlong's of the future that you guys encourage in your effect to be right even when it wasn't the point of the interaction for them. But again, that's on your side.

    Like I said in my previous post, you are trying to "Debate" with the people who would have fun getting you saved to completed raids so you couldn't do anything that week just because they thought it was fun until Blizzard put in ways to prevent them from doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Massive overlap, but not a perfect circle, you really haven't seen people who try to get reactions just to get reactions?
    If you're gonna be racist for reactions, it's because you're racist to begin with.

    It's like when people get drunk and accidentally say racist shit. That only happens because you're actually racist.

    Perfect circle.

    Well, enjoy when he returns along with all the Orlong's of the future that you guys encourage in your effect to be right even when it wasn't the point of the interaction for them. But again, that's on your side.

    Like I said in my previous post, you are trying to "Debate" with the people who would have fun getting you saved to completed raids so you couldn't do anything that week just because they thought it was fun until Blizzard put in ways to prevent them from doing it.
    He's the one locked into a raid so he can't post to the forum any more, dude.


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    Well man, I am about to get off the forum for a little bit, got my nephew dragging me into minecraft.

    Wish I could convey the mindset you are debating against with them and just how pointless and actually counter productive it is when you do but, at this point, I have no clue how to get it across to you guys.

    Maybe it's because I know the mindset of the kids who would just screw with people for fun through multiple venues but regardless, if you enjoy engaging with him as much as he enjoys screwing with you, have at it.

    Later, I get to start digging another cave while getting hit with skeleton archers, nephew enjoys the game far more than I do, but Bed Wars isn't so bad.

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    If you're gonna be racist for reactions, it's because you're racist to begin with.

    It's like when people get drunk and accidentally say racist shit. That only happens because you're actually racist.

    Perfect circle.
    You REALLY don't understand the mindset until you see someone trolling minorities and white supremacists at the same time claiming to be the other for laughs.

    He's the one locked into a raid so he can't post to the forum any more, dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    You REALLY don't understand the mindset until you see someone trolling minorities and white supremacists at the same time claiming to be the other for laughs.

    Way to miss the point entirely of what was said.
    No, I completely understand it. They're racist. They get called out on it. They go "Just chill bro, it's just a joke".

    Then they go on to do it 50 more times.

    How many times can someone be racist and claim it's just a joke before people realize they're just racist and too chicken shit to go full mask off? Since it's always right wingers and right adjacent people doing this, you'd really think everyone would have realized by now that they're not joking or playing games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Well man, I am about to get off the forum for a little bit, got my nephew dragging me into minecraft.

    Wish I could convey the mindset you are debating against with them and just how pointless and actually counter productive it is when you do but, at this point, I have no clue how to get it across to you guys.

    Maybe it's because I know the mindset of the kids who would just screw with people for fun through multiple venues but regardless, if you enjoy engaging with him as much as he enjoys screwing with you, have at it.

    Later, I get to start digging another cave while getting hit with skeleton archers, nephew enjoys the game far more than I do, but Bed Wars isn't so bad.

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    You REALLY don't understand the mindset until you see someone trolling minorities and white supremacists at the same time claiming to be the other for laughs.



    Way to miss the point entirely of what was said.
    What you're not getting here, is that your little game, doesn't matter outside your little gamer-circle.

    Racist shit, is racist shit. The intention doesn't matter. Also, consequences don't care for intention. We have a lot of laws when it comes to banning antisemitism, and they don't give a fuck about you believing in it or not. We saw the consequences of racist lies, and came to the conclusion that they're dangerous, and it doesn't matter WHY people spread them. Spreading them itself is the problem.

    And to add to that, if you sprout this stuff, for the lulz, that makes you not a iota better than a racist. In my book even worse, because the racist at least thinks he is right. You're doing it in spite of knowing it is wrong, which is honestly disgusting.

    So, you can continue to rant about your game, but i don't see anyone apart from you giving a fuck about it - which should probably tell you something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    You maybe have won the game you think you are playing with him, but that isn't the game he is playing at all.
    Wait, if two different people are playing two different games, each thinking they're winning... how is victory certain for one and not both (or really, neither)? Why do YOU get to determine which game is legit? Hell, by your own logic the person who wins is the one who wastes the least amount of time debating, so isn't the true winner the person who viewed this thread and refused to participate? Where's their trophy? So if we're just arbitrarily declaring game rules here, I declare the new rules for the game to be the person who has the sexiest avatar. Sweet, I win! Second place to Orange Joe.

    Anyway, enjoy your time playing Minecraft with your nephew. If he defeats a creeper, be sure to tell him the creeper actually won the game because he forced your nephew to waste time attacking it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    No, I completely understand it. They're racist. They get called out on it. They go "Just chill bro, it's just a joke".

    Then they go on to do it 50 more times.

    How many times can someone be racist and claim it's just a joke before people realize they're just racist and too chicken shit to go full mask off? Since it's always right wingers and right adjacent people doing this, you'd really think everyone would have realized by now that they're not joking or playing games.
    The fact you said that proves you DON'T get it, try again.

    But following your logic, are they a white supremacist insulting black people or a black supremacist insulting white people? Because they were pretending to be both within moments of each or where they schrodinger's bigot being in a superstate of being both a white hating on blacks or a black hating on whites? Which were they?

    As I said, if you don't understand the mindset of that person, you won't understand the game you were in here.
    @Pannonian actually, I haven't played that game in over 20 years with the closest I have came was when I was on facebook where I would just fact check people to watch them rage when reality conflicted with their fantasies.
    @Nastard

    Wait, if two different people are playing two different games, each thinking they're winning... how is victory certain for one and not both (or really, neither)? Why do YOU get to determine which game is legit? Hell, by your own logic the person who wins is the one who wastes the least amount of time debating, so isn't the true winner the person who viewed this thread and refused to participate? Where's their trophy? So if we're just arbitrarily declaring game rules here, I declare the new rules for the game to be the person who has the sexiest avatar. Sweet, I win! Second place to Orange Joe.

    Anyway, enjoy your time playing Minecraft with your nephew. If he defeats a creeper, be sure to tell him the creeper actually won the game because he forced your nephew to waste time attacking it.
    Out of everyone here, you sir actually gave a compelling argument instead of the cop outs the others gave and tried to say someone is both racist against whites and non-whites simultaneously in the real life example I gave.

    It's one of those situations where they know the game you are trying to play and they don't care. If you go into it knowing they are playing that game and continue, then have at it just know you aren't going to get any real debate out of them and mainly just litter the thread making it harder to read and get actual information from it as lots of people will not bother wading through all that circular talk just to get to the real information.

    Their trophy is the 10+ pages of responses they gave, I remember a while back there was a drive by shit poster named "Healing Rain" he would post a singular inflammatory message that was completely wrong stupid only to see how many responses he could get and he would seem to get a lot, I actually called him out and think I struck a cord when I told him that he gave a really bad attempt because he actually responded that time to say how good he was at it because all the replies he got on it.

    With Minecraft, my nephew got bored. I joined his game, he was in creative, I was not, he we was basically god trying to give me tasks and enemies to defeat and he was a vengeful god by what he put against me with just an iron sword, iron axe and no armor or food and getting teleported right back if I died.
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