SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Varx]

That's a good thing, shame you had to ruin it. Your opinion is still wrong.

And let you guys stagnate in an echo chamber with a WRONG opinion. Na.

[Elegiac]

Man last post 5 days ago, and no conservative posts in sight.

One would think you'd have the good sense to continue the trend given your stance on abortion cost you a red wave.

[Varx]

One would think you'd have the good sense to continue the trend given your stance on abortion cost you a red wave.

You know how many times I've been suspended for being pro life? Think I care? I'll happily wait out some silly little sentence given by biased modes to keep posting the truth after the fact.

[Cthulhu 2020]

"Biased modes"

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I wonder how people get into the train of thought that "I'm not wrong, it's everyone else who's crazy", but then I remember PragerU reinforced the idea that anyone who tells you that you're wrong is trying to destroy America and religion.

[Elegiac]

You know how many times I've been suspended for being pro life?

Zero, since being pro-life is not against forum rules. Nation bashing and name calling, however, is.

It's more funny how you think you're being profound and edgy when in reality you're clinging to an increasingly fringe political position that has proven to be so unworkable from an electoral standpoint that many conservatives are considering jettisoning it from their platforms. Which is entirely appropriate since being pro-life has always been a case of manufactured controversy for the sake of courting a voting bloc which is now in its death throes.

[Orange Joe]

Man last post 5 days ago, and no conservative posts in sight.

That didn't take long, see you again in 5+ days

[Pro-lifer]

So after realizing that most people want reproductive rights, in some form, they want to change the rules to force their shitty policies on to an unwilling populace...

Man, republicans really are sore losers.

I am not a republican and not even a US citizen. I just want to ask a question. Sex-selective abortion happens so widespread across the globe. Particular in Asian countries like China and India. Even in the United states, the sex ratio of the 2nd child in asian America is 160:100. Do you think women has the right for sex-selective abortion? In white American the sex ratio is 103:100 but in asian it is much higher that causes the final sex ratio in the America being 105:100

Without a total ban on abortion, how could you fix the problem of sex-selection? People can easily know the sex of the child in the womb with modern technology.

Do not tell me sex-selection is her husband or other people's fault if you believe "women's body women's choice"

Other concerns I have with abortion is that abortion usually takes money from insurance which means people who made no mistakes will pay for other people's mistakes. Many of them are virgin males who never made any mistakes. However, as you people said men have no rights on deciding how women should do with their body. Then why should those people pay for your price if they have no say-so? Why do you believe it does nothing harm to other people when their insurance money is wasted for your mistake and may potentially die out for lacking of resources when they themselves being ill?

[Endus]

I am not a republican and not even a US citizen. I just want to ask a question. Sex-selective abortion happens so widespread across the globe. Particular in Asian countries like China and India. Even in the United states, the sex ratio of the 2nd child in asian America is 160:100. Do you think women has the right for sex-selective abortion? In white American the sex ratio is 103:100 but in asian it is much higher that causes the final sex ratio in the America being 105:100

Without a total ban on abortion, how could you fix the problem of sex-selection? People can easily know the sex of the child in the womb with modern technology.

Do not tell me sex-selection is her husband or other people's fault if you believe "women's body women's choice"

Make sex-selection an unethical medical justification. Then it's medical malpractice, but abortion itself remains fully legal, the same way plenty of prescription meds can be legally prescribed even if they'd otherwise be illegal to have or use.

Not particularly complicated. And no, a patient lying about wanting a child to get around this isn't a problem that needs fixing; this is about medical ethics, not punishing women.

[Pro-lifer]

Make sex-selection an unethical medical justification. Then it's medical malpractice, but abortion itself remains fully legal, the same way plenty of prescription meds can be legally prescribed even if they'd otherwise be illegal to have or use.

Not particularly complicated. And no, a patient lying about wanting a child to get around this isn't a problem that needs fixing; this is about medical ethics, not punishing women.

The problem is that China has proven without a total ban on abortion unless you have a very good reason, sex-selection is a huge huge issue. Even putting a restriction on 14 weeks abortion ban is not working.

It is so hard to know whether someone aborts her baby for any reason because sex-selection in so widespread in China and I guess even China is going to totally ban abortion besides rape, incest and medical reasons in the future.

Fetus is a human scientifically for sure. However, killing a human people is not necessarily wrong. Like you may be innocent to kill someone when you defend yourself. My point is that unless you have a very good reason, you should not abort babies.

[Endus]

Other concerns I have with abortion is that abortion usually takes money from insurance which means people who made no mistakes will pay for other people's mistakes. Many of them are virgin males who never made any mistakes.

That's flatly not a consideration. Medical insurance doesn't care if it's because of a "mistake", especially in any country outside the USA.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I am not a republican and not even a US citizen. I just want to ask a question. Sex-selective abortion happens so widespread across the globe. Particular in Asian countries like China and India. Even in the United states, the sex ratio of the 2nd child in asian America is 160:100. Do you think women has the right for sex-selective abortion? In white American the sex ratio is 103:100 but in asian it is much higher that causes the final sex ratio in the America being 105:100

Without a total ban on abortion, how could you fix the problem of sex-selection? People can easily know the sex of the child in the womb with modern technology.

Do not tell me sex-selection is her husband or other people's fault if you believe "women's body women's choice"

Other concerns I have with abortion is that abortion usually takes money from insurance which means people who made no mistakes will pay for other people's mistakes. Many of them are virgin males who never made any mistakes. However, as you people said men have no rights on deciding how women should do with their body. Then why should those people pay for your price if they have no say-so? Why do you believe it does nothing harm to other people when their insurance money is wasted for your mistake and may potentially die out for lacking of resources when they themselves being ill?

China and other asian countries have very unique cultures that incentivize having male children. Sounds more like those cultural norms need to be addressed than just outright banning bodily autonomy.

[Endus]

The problem is that China has proven without a total ban on abortion unless you have a very good reason, sex-selection is a huge huge issue. Even putting a restriction on 14 weeks abortion ban is not working.

They haven't proven shit. Canada has no restrictions other than medical ethical codes, and we've had basically no issues. You're pushing disinfo.

[Pro-lifer]

That's flatly not a consideration. Medical insurance doesn't care if it's because of a "mistake", especially in any country outside the USA.

If the abortion is not for medical reason or rapes or something, then it does have an impact on other people. It is clearly not 100% choice of a women any more.

[Endus]

If the abortion is not for medical reason or rapes or something, then it does have an impact on other people. It is clearly not 100% choice of a women any more.

False. Why would I entertain baseless nonsense as an argument? There's no medical impact on others, and their emotional concerns do not matter one whit.

[Pro-lifer]

They haven't proven shit. Canada has no restrictions other than medical ethical codes, and we've had basically no issues. You're pushing disinfo.

I am not pushing disinfo. Some countries do have cultural issues that need ban abortion. I do not know the situation in Canada.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-selective_abortion

As Wikipedia and many other documents shown in the Wikipedia, the phenomenon of sex-selection or even race-selection happens in Canada too.

[Cthulhu 2020]

If the abortion is not for medical reason or rapes or something, then it does have an impact on other people. It is clearly not 100% choice of a women any more.

Again, I feel like China would be way better off addressing the cultural norms that led to this. As I'm aware of it, the onus of taking care of the elderly is not on the government but weighs heavily on male children. You're basically expected to be the bread winner for you, your spouse, your children, your parents, and in many cases your spouse's parents if they never had a son.

I imagine men in China would be far more appreciative of relief of that onus than just saying abortion is outright banned.

[Pro-lifer]

False. Why would I entertain baseless nonsense as an argument? There's no medical impact on others, and their emotional concerns do not matter one white.

Yes it does. That means insurance money that can be used for saving person ends up wasted for abortion because of some people's mistakes. That does have an impact on other people. As Chinese government pointed out, abortion has largely wasted tons of resources and money of insurance.

[unfilteredJW]

This bad thing that has no bearing on the conversation is an important reason to not have abortion says obvious troll account.

Someone is making a killing on clown shoes.

[Pro-lifer]

Again, I feel like China would be way better off addressing the cultural norms that led to this. As I'm aware of it, the onus of taking care of the elderly is not on the government but weighs heavily on male children. You're basically expected to be the bread winner for you, your spouse, your children, your parents, and in many cases your spouse's parents if they never had a son.

I imagine men in China would be far more appreciative of relief of that onus than just saying abortion is outright banned.

The problem is that without a banning on abortion, how would you fix it finally? You cannot easily change the cultural. The only thing you could do is pushing a hard line.

[Endus]

I am not pushing disinfo. Some countries do have cultural issues that need ban abortion. I do not know the situation in Canada.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-selective_abortion

As Wikipedia and many other documents shown in the Wikipedia, the phenomenon of sex-selection or even race-selection happens in Canada too.

It's not grounds to ban abortion. That's what makes it disinfo. China might have a problem, it doesn't exist in any significant measure in Canada, and it isn't an argument against abortion rights.

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Yes it does. That means insurance money that can be used for saving person ends up wasted for abortion because of some people's mistakes. That does have an impact on other people. As Chinese government pointed out, abortion has largely wasted tons of resources and money of insurance.

That's what insurance is for. It's not an error that needs fixing.