SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[postman1782]

If he “jokes” like that there, gives you an idea what he says in private.

He probably keeps his robes and pointy hat in a sealed case.

[Fugus]

He probably keeps his robes and pointy hat in a sealed case.

And we have a judge in Texas attempting to give wife beaters their firearms back based on his last screwed up ruling.

This one, I can see a local ISP refusing to offer service to LBGTQ individuals and I can see many other companies starting to refuse to offer services to companies that refuse to service them as well.

Imagine Comcast or Spectrum refusing service to LBGTQ and start seeing stores refuse to offer supplies to other businesses that refuse to serve LBGTQ. That can be one hell of a cluster fuck.

[unfilteredJW]

Suppose this could go here.
House passes historic marriage equality bill

Spoiler: 

The Respect for Marriage Act passed 258-169, with 39 Republicans voting yes.

The House on Thursday passed a bill to codify federal recognition of same-sex and interracial marriages, which now goes to President Joe Biden's desk for his signature.

The Respect for Marriage Act passed with bipartisan support in a 258-169 vote. Thirty-nine Republicans joined Democrats in voting yes on the measure.

The legislation passed with cheers and hugs on the floor. Former Rep. Barney Frank, an openly gay Democrat who has long fought for marriage equality, was present for the vote.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, Rep. David Cicilline, Sen. Tammy Baldwin, Rep. Jerry Nadler and Republican Sen. Susan Collins held a bill enrollment ceremony celebrating the bill's passage.

"What a great day," Pelosi said at the ceremony, thanking her colleagues for their support. "At last we have history in the making, but not only are we on the ride sight of history, we are on the right side of the future: expanding freedom in America."

Pelosi, who is leaving her post as House Democratic leader, has said she is "particularly happy" the Respect for Marriage Act will be one of the last bills she signs in her role.

"Once signed into law, the Respect for Marriage Act will help prevent right-wing extremists from upending the lives of loving couples traumatizing kids across the country, and turning back the clock on hard-won progress," Pelosi said in a floor speech ahead of the vote.

Biden has said he's prepared to sign the measure after it passed the House. In a statement after Senate passage last week, he said he will "promptly and proudly sign it into law."

Ensuring same-sex marriage rights are protected between states became a top priority for Democrats in light of the Supreme Court's June decision to overrule its precedent in 1973's Roe v. Wade guaranteeing a constitutional right to abortion.

Justice Clarence Thomas indicated in a concurring opinion at the time that he would like to see the court reverse the 2015 ruling Obergefell v. Hodges guaranteeing the national right to same-sex marriage, which was decided on similar grounds as Roe.

The Respect for Marriage Act will not codify Obergefell and set a national requirement that all states must license same-sex marriages. But it will require individual states to recognize a same-sex (or interracial) marriage that was lawfully performed in another state.

The Senate passed the bill last week, 61-36 -- marking a victory for Democrats during the lame-duck after months of negotiations with Republicans. Twelve members of the GOP voted in support of the legislation.

Schumer at Thursday's bill enrollment ceremony said the issue is personal for many in Congress. Schumer's daughter is married to her wife.

"Thanks to the tireless advocacy of many -- many in this room -- and the dogged work by many of my colleagues, my grandchild will live in a world that will respect and honor their mothers' marriage," he said. "So yes, this is about millions of LGBTQ Americans in the country but countless other lives of children and families will also be impacted."

The House passed a similar version of this legislation earlier this year, with 47 Republicans supporting it. The Senate version includes new language to ease some GOP concerns about religious freedom.

Bare fucking minimum.

[Resurgo]

And we have a judge in Texas attempting to give wife beaters their firearms back based on his last screwed up ruling.

This one, I can see a local ISP refusing to offer service to LBGTQ individuals and I can see many other companies starting to refuse to offer services to companies that refuse to service them as well.

Imagine Comcast or Spectrum refusing service to LBGTQ and start seeing stores refuse to offer supplies to other businesses that refuse to serve LBGTQ. That can be one hell of a cluster fuck.

Well this is in TX, so no big surprise here...

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...deanda-becerra

[fwc577]

Well this is in TX, so no big surprise here...

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...deanda-becerra

Oh, this dude didn't like the sexual revolution? Hope he has daughters who one day start an OnlyFans because they hate their father.

[Edge-]

Since this thread became more of a catch-all...

We're finally moving to the "pregnant women count as 2 people when driving" reality.

Best get your pregnancies registered!

lol, you gotta register your pregnancy with the Department of Transportation? From the party that claims they hate the government creating lists of people and tracking personal information about them? Will you get a barcode? I heard those are really scary!

[s_bushido]

We may joke about this, but it needs to be struck down everywhere it pops up. It's literally nothing more than a tool for them to try to justify their "a fetus is a person, therefore abortion is murder" bullshit.

[Varx]

We may joke about this, but it needs to be struck down everywhere it pops up. It's literally nothing more than a tool for them to try to justify their "a fetus is a person, therefore abortion is murder" bullshit.

Well a fetus IS a person, so....

It ain't a pumpkin that's for sure.

But leftists clearly don't consider it a person to justify to themselves that they killed a baby.

But here's the thing. Let's say person hood is determined at 25 weeks or whenever you guys consider person hood. What about 24 hours before reaching that threshold, you still okay with killing it?

[s_bushido]

Well a fetus IS a person, so....

It ain't a pumpkin that's for sure.

But leftists clearly don't consider it a person to justify to themselves that they killed a baby.

But here's the thing. Let's say person hood is determined at 25 weeks or whenever you guys consider person hood. What about 24 hours before reaching that threshold, you still okay with killing it?

In in the interest of not feeding the troll, I believe the best response is: "Fuck off."

[Cthulhu 2020]

In in the interest of not feeding the troll, I believe the best response is: "Fuck off."

I dunno man, they're really hardcore fetishizing this one issue. But we also know they're one of those breeding fetishists.

You have to wonder at one point conservatives will realize that even with legal abortion, the human population growth at its current rate is utterly unsustainable.

[Varx]

In in the interest of not feeding the troll, I believe the best response is: "Fuck off."

I'll take that as "you're right but selfish interest trump's innocent baby's life " whether it's a zygote or 6 months

[Ivanstone]

Well a fetus IS a person, so....

It ain't a pumpkin that's for sure.

But leftists clearly don't consider it a person to justify to themselves that they killed a baby.

But here's the thing. Let's say person hood is determined at 25 weeks or whenever you guys consider person hood. What about 24 hours before reaching that threshold, you still okay with killing it?

We'll start having a nice discussion about personhood after conservatives start thinking women, children and fetuses deserve healthcare.

Till then...

Fuck off.

[Yetanothernewbie]

Well a fetus IS a person, so....

It ain't a pumpkin that's for sure.

But leftists clearly don't consider it a person to justify to themselves that they killed a baby.

But here's the thing. Let's say person hood is determined at 25 weeks or whenever you guys consider person hood. What about 24 hours before reaching that threshold, you still okay with killing it?

Get back in your clown car and fuck all the way off. Save yourself from being banned again for your shit opinion.

[Cthulhu 2020]

"i hAvE HoRrIbLe tAkEs aBoUt pErSoNhOoD AnD SoMeOnE ReFuSiNg tO EnGaGe wItH My dIsInGeNoUs aRgUmEnTs mEaNs i wIn."

Yall need new material. It's hilarious how even in the most conservative states, when they went for outright complete abortion bans even most conservatives said "whoa now, let's not go that far".

It's clear that only the most fringe whack jobs think abortion should be banned. Is it really any surprise that most of these people are rapist Andrew "Human Trafficking" Tate fans?

[Endus]

Well a fetus IS a person, so....

Definitively untrue. You're pushing religious extremist nonsense.

But leftists clearly don't consider it a person to justify to themselves that they killed a baby.

Because no baby is killed in an abortion. Despite your religious extremism.

But here's the thing. Let's say person hood is determined at 25 weeks or whenever you guys consider person hood. What about 24 hours before reaching that threshold, you still okay with killing it?

Here's the thing; "personhood" is a red herring. It's utterly irrelevant to this question. It's brought up as a bad-faith attack to distract from the meaningful question; do women own themselves, like men do?

The pregnant person has the right to terminate that pregnancy. Period. The fetus does not matter in this. Even if we wanted to take a fully-born and definitely-legally-a-person infant and put it surgically back inside the mother, the mother has the right to say "no, get it out of me", and that's that. That it's a person does not matter and does not enter consideration. Right to control over your own body trumps right to life of another. This is why you can't be forced to donate an organ against your will; your right to control the use of your organs overrules the right to life of the patient who could be saved if your organ was harvested.

[Varx]

Man, liberals always so hostile after hearing some truth.

I know the truth may be scary but yes, a fetus is a person and abortion is murder. No amount of mental gymnastics is gonna change that simple truth.

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Definitively untrue. You're pushing religious extremist nonsense.



Because no baby is killed in an abortion. Despite your religious extremism.



Here's the thing; "personhood" is a red herring. It's utterly irrelevant to this question. It's brought up as a bad-faith attack to distract from the meaningful question; do women own themselves, like men do?

The pregnant person has the right to terminate that pregnancy. Period. The fetus does not matter in this. Even if we wanted to take a fully-born and definitely-legally-a-person infant and put it surgically back inside the mother, the mother has the right to say "no, get it out of me", and that's that. That it's a person does not matter and does not enter consideration. Right to control over your own body trumps right to life of another. This is why you can't be forced to donate an organ against your will; your right to control the use of your organs overrules the right to life of the patient who could be saved if your organ was harvested.

You have zero respect for human life. There's nothing religious about that.

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We'll start having a nice discussion about personhood after conservatives start thinking women, children and fetuses deserve healthcare.

Till then...

Fuck off.

Everyone deserves healthcare. Good thing robust social safety nets exist.

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Get back in your clown car and fuck all the way off. Save yourself from being banned again for your shit opinion.

It's very disingenuous to call the right opinion a shit opinion

[Endus]

Man, liberals always so hostile after hearing some truth.

I know the truth may be scary but yes, a fetus is a person and abortion is murder. No amount of mental gymnastics is gonna change that simple truth.

If that were "true", then abortion patients would be charged with murder.

And they aren't.

Because you're lying, to push a religiously extremist and deeply misogynist viewpoint.

You have zero respect for human life. There's nothing religious about that.

My secular respect for human life has nothing to do with religion, yes. It's really fuckin' weird if you need a God to tell you to respect human life. Opposing abortion is the antithesis of such respect, however. It dehumanizes women. Which is why no developed nation on the planet entertains the brutal misogyny that banning abortion amounts to.

[Varx]

If that were "true", then abortion patients would be charged with murder.

And they aren't.

Because you're lying, to push a religiously extremist and deeply misogynist viewpoint.



My secular respect for human life has nothing to do with religion, yes. It's really fuckin' weird if you need a God to tell you to respect human life. Opposing abortion is the antithesis of such respect, however. It dehumanizes women. Which is why no developed nation on the planet entertains the brutal misogyny that banning abortion amounts to.

They aren't charged with murder because the law allows them to... For now, as rvw's abolishment has shown

You're the only one bringing religion into this. I've made it very clear multiple times I ain't religious. I'm all about self accountability and keeping innocent babies alive despite the decisions of their unfit mother's.

Look I could come into some middle ground and be okay with abortions 17 and younger.

But AT LEAST I think 18 and older should have their babies unless the life of the mother is threatened or rape.

But outside of that there is zero excuse. If you can't afford it then put it for adoption.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Lest we forgot how not pro-life these "pro lifers" are and are just massive hypocrites. Let's just for a moment forget that they're pro gun, let's just for a moment that they're fine with elementary students being shot and having to do active shooter drills, let's just forget that kids are going hungry because they refuse to fund school lunches or because they refuse to pay a fair wage to parents, let's forget all of that shit.

One only needs to look back through this thread at all of the women who nearly or did lose their lives because doctors either would not or could not perform an abortion when the woman's life was in danger. Fetus is going to come out dead anyway? Nope, still can't abort, them's the laws.

Pro lifers want you to believe that they respect human life because they define fetuses as human lives, then turn around and in basically every other belief they have will be fine with dead bodies because of their stances. As George Carlin famously said, as long as you're unborn you're fine, but the minute you're born you're fucked.

It's an inconvenient truth for them, and they don't like hearing it, and will often just quip back with stupid one liners because they have no real argument. Let's be real, these pro-lifers not only don't care about human life for as much as they claim to, they often want people to just die.

And remember, the Venn Diagram of people who love Andrew Tate and who are pro life is basically a circle, or a circle inside of a slightly larger circle. Because this was and never has been about protecting life. It's about controlling women's bodies and forcing them to be incubators against their will.

I realize saying this might trigger them, but the more this one breeder fetishist replies, the more it proves my point.

Again, one really only needs to look back through this thread at all of the news stories about women losing their lives due to pregnancy complications that prove just how little pro lifers care about life.

[Varx]

Lest we forgot how not pro-life these "pro lifers" are and are just massive hypocrites. Let's just for a moment forget that they're pro gun, let's just for a moment that they're fine with elementary students being shot and having to do active shooter drills, let's just forget that kids are going hungry because they refuse to fund school lunches or because they refuse to pay a fair wage to parents, let's forget all of that shit.

One only needs to look back through this thread at all of the women who nearly or did lose their lives because doctors either would not or could not perform an abortion when the woman's life was in danger. Fetus is going to come out dead anyway? Nope, still can't abort, them's the laws.

Pro lifers want you to believe that they respect human life because they define fetuses as human lives, then turn around and in basically every other belief they have will be fine with dead bodies because of their stances. As George Carlin famously said, as long as you're unborn you're fine, but the minute you're born you're fucked.

It's an inconvenient truth for them, and they don't like hearing it, and will often just quip back with stupid one liners because they have no real argument. Let's be real, these pro-lifers not only don't care about human life for as much as they claim to, they often want people to just die.

And remember, the Venn Diagram of people who love Andrew Tate and who are pro life is basically a circle, or a circle inside of a slightly larger circle. Because this was and never has been about protecting life. It's about controlling women's bodies and forcing them to be incubators against their will.

I realize saying this might trigger them, but the more this one breeder fetishist replies, the more it proves my point.

Again, one really only needs to look back through this thread at all of the news stories about women losing their lives due to pregnancy complications that prove just how little pro lifers care about life.

Omg again with the "controlling women" thing.

No one is forcing anyone to get pregnant.

If you have consensual sex, you know that there's always a chance of pregnancy even if you use contraception.

So if your gonna partake in heterosexual sex, then you need to be prepared about the possibility of creating human life.

It's as simple as that. No one is being controlled.