SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Lynarii]

Omg again with the "controlling women" thing.

No one is forcing anyone to get pregnant.

If you have consensual sex, you know that there's always a chance of pregnancy even if you use contraception.

So if your gonna partake in heterosexual sex, then you need to be prepared about the possibility of creating human life.

It's as simple as that. No one is being controlled.

If it's not about controlling women, why aren't you pushing for mandatory vasectomies for all men? That way there wouldn't be abortions either, and you still have options for having children if you want them. Problem gets solved! But that's not okay, because then it's YOUR body being legislated.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Man, people have a really hard time realizing that people have sex for reasons other than procreation and even when taking all steps to prevent getting pregnant and it still sometimes happens. Of course, it's mostly people who are completely out of touch because they exist within a monogamous marriage where they want children. They view any other way of life as "Degeneracy" because clearly they're the only "right" people in this world.

There's also rape and incest too, and while many pro lifers say they are for abortion in those cases, they seem to be in the minority, so the ones who want complete bans try to push the legislation through about complete bans. Reminder: It's still human life, so if you make exceptions, it's just another brick in the house of "You don't care about human lives, you just want to control women, but don't want to look like a heartless bastard".

But again, the fact that every pro lifer is basically conservative in every other way and refuses to help clothe, feed, educate, or otherwise take care of children shows you just how little they care about "life" or children.

It's about controlling women. Again, it's little surprise that the people most vocal about abortion Venn Diagram perfectly with Andrew Tate fandom. Until people demonstrate a concern for all human life and not just unborn life, it's hilariously obvious it's about control.

[Varx]

If it's not about controlling women, why aren't you pushing for mandatory vasectomies for all men? That way there wouldn't be abortions either, and you still have options for having children if you want them. Problem gets solved! But that's not okay, because then it's YOUR body being legislated.

Lmao, why the hell would there be mandatory vasectomy for men. Two reasons that's idiotic..

1. Men can't get pregnant

2. Women are the gate keepers of sex

[Endus]

They aren't charged with murder because the law allows them to... For now, as rvw's abolishment has shown

So, no murder. Since that's defined by the law. You've admitted to lying.

You're the only one bringing religion into this. I've made it very clear multiple times I ain't religious. I'm all about self accountability and keeping innocent babies alive despite the decisions of their unfit mother's.

No, the only arguments against abortion rights are inherently religious. Your views may not be sectarian to any specific faith group, but they must be religious in nature. "Spiritual", if you prefer. There's no secular argument to be had against abortion rights.

Look I could come into some middle ground and be okay with abortions 17 and younger.

That just means you don't even believe the rhetoric you're using, and your motives are something else entirely. Generally, that's attacking women's rights and freedoms, which is what the pro-life movement has always fundamentally been about.

But AT LEAST I think 18 and older should have their babies unless the life of the mother is threatened or rape.

Again, just demonstrating that even you don't believe your own arguments. You're just openly admitting to lying.

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Omg again with the "controlling women" thing.

No one is forcing anyone to get pregnant.

You're arguing to force them to stay pregnant.

If you have consensual sex, you know that there's always a chance of pregnancy even if you use contraception.

So? This is meaningless. We also know you can get an abortion if you have an unwanted pregnancy.

So if your gonna partake in heterosexual sex, then you need to be prepared about the possibility of creating human life.

The existence of abortion proves this maxim false.

It's as simple as that. No one is being controlled.

That's a lie; you're trying to deny these options to women.

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2. Women are the gate keepers of sex

Gross. How can anyone take you seriously if you say absolutely godawful things like this?

[Muzjhath]

Lmao, why the hell would there be mandatory vasectomy for men. Two reasons that's idiotic..

1. Men can't get pregnant

2. Women are the gate keepers of sex

So if a woman flirted with you and offered you sex you'd never say no?
This is what I'm getting from your number 2 here.

[Strange One]

Why do conservatives hate freedom?

[Cthulhu 2020]

2. Women are the gate keepers of sex

This is a weirdly Andrew Tate way of phrasing it, and while women SHOULD be the ones in control of it, people who have lived sheltered, privileged lives don't realize just how much women are forced or coerced into sex.

[Strange One]

Well a fetus IS a person, so....

It ain't a pumpkin that's for sure.

But leftists clearly don't consider it a person to justify to themselves that they killed a baby.

But here's the thing. Let's say person hood is determined at 25 weeks or whenever you guys consider person hood. What about 24 hours before reaching that threshold, you still okay with killing it?

Conservatives are fine with children who have been born and actually alive for several years being killed. Otherwise they'd do something about guns.

[Lynarii]

Lmao, why the hell would there be mandatory vasectomy for men. Two reasons that's idiotic..

1. Men can't get pregnant

2. Women are the gate keepers of sex

1) Men get women pregnant. Mandatory vasectomies would stop that from happening unplanned.

2) This is just bullshit you're making up.

But it says everything how immediately defensive you got the moment that YOUR body was on the line rather than mine. It's not so fun anymore if it's not all about controlling someone else, eh?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Conservatives are fine with children who have been born and actually alive for several years being killed. Otherwise they'd do something about guns.

You can look at any issue that has to do with human deaths, and conservatives are always on the side of either being okay with or actively encouraging human death.

One only needs to scratch a little bit at the veneer of "pro life" to see just how how untrue it is.

[Strange One]

You can look at any issue that has to do with human deaths, and conservatives are always on the side of either being okay with or actively encouraging human death.

One only needs to scratch a little bit at the veneer of "pro life" to see just how how untrue it is.

Not to mention the death penalty. I've noticed those most against abortion are also the most pro death sentence people.

[Varx]

So, no murder. Since that's defined by the law. You've admitted to lying.



No, the only arguments against abortion rights are inherently religious. Your views may not be sectarian to any specific faith group, but they must be religious in nature. "Spiritual", if you prefer. There's no secular argument to be had against abortion rights.



That just means you don't even believe the rhetoric you're using, and your motives are something else entirely. Generally, that's attacking women's rights and freedoms, which is what the pro-life movement has always fundamentally been about.



Again, just demonstrating that even you don't believe your own arguments. You're just openly admitting to lying.

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You're arguing to force them to stay pregnant.



So? This is meaningless. We also know you can get an abortion if you have an unwanted pregnancy.



The existence of abortion proves this maxim false.



That's a lie; you're trying to deny these options to women.

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Gross. How can anyone take you seriously if you say absolutely godawful things like this?

Ultimately i prefer no abortions, period aside from rape and life of the mother In jeopardy. But I'd rather have some sort of middle ground and save lives than have blanket abortions available.

And what is gross out that statement? It's true.

Women decide who they sleep with which in turn puts them in the situation that'll potentially end in pregnancy.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Not to mention the death penalty. I've noticed those most against abortion are also the most pro death sentence people.

Or school lunches for children, they've actively attempted to defund those.

Or wars. They often tend to be the aggressors, especially in the US where tensions between the two parties are high. They're chomping at the bit for civil war.

Or feeding people in general. You're part of a late stage capitalism failed state where most live in or close to poverty and often have to wonder where their next meal is coming from? BOOTSTRAPS

Need an abortion to save the mother's life? Too bad, abortion is murder, so we must legislate doctors from doing it, as giving an abortion is "murder" but just letting the mother die is "nature".

Homelessness? They only care about that when they get to wield it as a political weapon against San Francisco, meanwhile most major conservative cities like Nashville have huge homelessness problems that they sweep under the rug.

It's about control, and whether they like to admit it or not, they know deep down.

[postman1782]

Well a fetus IS a person, so....

It ain't a pumpkin that's for sure.

But leftists clearly don't consider it a person to justify to themselves that they killed a baby.

But here's the thing. Let's say person hood is determined at 25 weeks or whenever you guys consider person hood. What about 24 hours before reaching that threshold, you still okay with killing it?

Not according to the constitution it isn't.

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Lmao, why the hell would there be mandatory vasectomy for men. Two reasons that's idiotic..

1. Men can't get pregnant

2. Women are the gate keepers of sex

Way to out yourself as the biggest incel ever next to Andrew Tate.

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Ultimately i prefer no abortions, period aside from rape and life of the mother In jeopardy. But I'd rather have some sort of middle ground and save lives than have blanket abortions available.

And what is gross out that statement? It's true.

Women decide who they sleep with which in turn puts them in the situation that'll potentially end in pregnancy.

Blanket abortions aren't available. You can't get them after a certain period unless there is some type of defect/medical issue. And its usually 20-24 weeks. Hell, some defects don't present until then.

Ask these conservative wannabe parents that were expecting in South Carolina, and they went to their obstetrician at an 18 week ultrasound and the heart wasn't forming properly. A month later confirmed that it wasn't doing any better. So 22 weeks, they had 2 options, either have a stillbirth, or tons of heart surgeries in utero and post birth, just for it to not live a life without tons of pain. So they chose the option of abortion, and they had to go to Washington DC to get the abortion, after waiting 2 more weeks because of the increased demand after states like South Carolina banned it after 6 weeks.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/23/healt...ect/index.html

I can guarantee you there are other birth defects that present after these cut offs that will either end up in stillbirths or shorter lifespans filled with pain for the children that do end up being born.

[Nymrohd]

I can guarantee you there are other birth defects that present after these cut offs that will either end up in stillbirths or shorter lifespans filled with pain for the children that do end up being born.

And to add to that, induced birth is ALWAYS riskier for the mother than an abortion.

[Shadowferal]

Since this thread became more of a catch-all... We're finally moving to the "pregnant women count as 2 people when driving" reality. Best get your pregnancies registered!

Virginia...pfft...

Gop apparently learned nothing from their non-existent "red wave."

[postman1782]

And to add to that, induced birth is ALWAYS riskier for the mother than an abortion.

I can guarantee Varx would be pissed if we started mandating vasectomies for 12 year old boys til they can prove they aren't a pos. He would probably say my body, my choice, while missing the entire fucking hypocrisy of his damn argument.

[Dontrike]

Well a fetus IS a person, so....

It ain't a pumpkin that's for sure.

But leftists clearly don't consider it a person to justify to themselves that they killed a baby.

But here's the thing. Let's say person hood is determined at 25 weeks or whenever you guys consider person hood. What about 24 hours before reaching that threshold, you still okay with killing it?

If it's a person then we should charge them with manslaughter when a fetus absorbs another in the womb.

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Ultimately i prefer no abortions, period aside from rape and life of the mother In jeopardy. But I'd rather have some sort of middle ground and save lives than have blanket abortions available.

There was a middle ground, but then the pedophiles you vote for decided to go full fascism under the guise of "helping babies," which you 110% fell for.

[Mekh]

If it's a person then we should charge them with manslaughter when a fetus absorbs another in the womb.

Also, when the mother dies during birth.

[bladeXcrasher]

I can guarantee Varx would be pissed if we started mandating vasectomies for 12 year old boys til they can prove they aren't a pos. He would probably say my body, my choice, while missing the entire fucking hypocrisy of his damn argument.

Scroll up, this already happened and they went all Andrew Tate on us.