SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Endus]

I made that argument to prove that even at the cusp of life a person is a person even if they're just one cell.

And that's the argument that they have some inherent quality of "human-ness" at that point. That's the claim of some form of "soul".

The argument you keep insisting you're not making, and then you come right out and make it, like here.

It's also not an argument I have any reason to accept, since it's based on nothing but that core magical idea which has no basis in science.

[Varx]

https://www.marchofdimes.org/find-su...ef/miscarriage

Jesus, how are you so hilariously uniformed about almost every single aspect of this discussion, rofl.

Miscarriage are absolutely "normal", and conservatives have this really weird view of pregnancy as some beautiful, peaceful, smooth, almost "immaculate" process rather than it still, especially in the US and doubly so in the south and triply so if you're a woman of color in the south, being a messy, painful, and carrying fairly considerable risk to women's health.

No one said pregnancy is easy.

All I'm saying is that from a biological stand point. Pregnancies are expected to go to term not miscarriage spontaneous. That means that something went wrong in the process pregnancy and thus yeah miscarriage occured.

Saying that's the same as an induced abortion is fucking insane

[Edge-]

And normally the mother isn't going to die from child birth. Lol

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blo...nal-comparison

In the developed world where there's better care for pregnant women and during the birthing process? Yeah.

Though I'll note that the US is a fairly notable outlier amongst developed nations. And that outcomes are worse for Black women giving birth.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/st...-rate-by-state

It should also be noted that many of the states attacking women's bodily autonomy also have some of the worst outcomes in the nation when it comes to maternal mortality rates.

[Varx]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK560521/
https://www.aafp.org/pubs/afp/issues...001/p1243.html
https://www.rxlist.com/spontaneous_a...definition.htm
https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001488.htm
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics...neous-abortion
https://openmd.com/define/spontaneous+abortion

You have literally no idea what you're talking about.

I'm talking about regular people not emotionless robots.

[Edge-]

I'm talking about regular people not emotionless robots.

Seriously, do you need help moving those goalposts?

[Endus]

No one said pregnancy is easy.

All I'm saying is that from a biological stand point. Pregnancies are expected to go to term not miscarriage spontaneous. That means that something went wrong in the process pregnancy and thus yeah miscarriage occured.

Biologically, there is no "expected" outcome to pregnancy. That's ridiculous. Miscarriage is just as natural as any other outcome, biologically speaking. Just as "expected". You're inserting a super-weird idea of some kind of predictive "fate" or something, here, and there's no scientific basis for any of that.

Saying that's the same as an induced abortion is fucking insane

The difference is that one is spontaneous, and the other is induced. That's the only real difference. They're both "abortions".

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I'm talking about regular people not emotionless robots.

All those authors are "regular people". You just don't understand the actual terminology you're using, and make stuff up that isn't true. And then engage in slander, like this, rather than have the decency to admit you don't know what you're talking about and maybe going off and learning what these terms mean.

[Edge-]

All those authors are "regular people". You just don't understand the actual terminology you're using, and make stuff up that isn't true. And then engage in slander, like this, rather than have the decency to admit you don't know what you're talking about and maybe going off and learning what these terms mean.

No, let him dehumanize them without a hint of irony given his arguments in this thread.

It's adorable.

[Darththeo]

All I'm saying is that from a biological stand point. Pregnancies are expected to go to term not miscarriage spontaneous. That means that something went wrong in the process pregnancy and thus yeah miscarriage occured.

No, it doesn't mean something "went wrong." Why aren't you getting this?

No one who is an expert in the field uses that terminology.

[Varx]

I'll be back later, got errands to take care of.

Just remember, RvW is the harbinger of the end of pro choice. Just give it a few years, maybe even decades.

Always remember your child wants to live and wants to meet you. Don't be foo by this leftist poison about bodily autonomy and empowerment.

The write thing is to give your child life. It might not be the easy decision, but it'll be the most fulfilling one.

[Darththeo]

No, let him dehumanize them without a hint of irony given his arguments in this thread.

It's adorable.

He doesn't even understand that saying abortions mean something "went wrong" isn't a factual statement.

There is a hypothesis that for some unknown reason, a chance of a miscarriage exists with all pregnancies. It doesn't mean anything "went wrong."

[Edge-]

Just remember, RvW is the harbinger of the end of pro choice. Just give it a few years, maybe even decades.

He writes, ignoring that literally every time it's been put to the voters the voters have rejected Republican attempts to control women's bodies, to the point where Republican lawmakers are seeking to prevent citizens from proposing those kinds of ballot measures moving forward in some states.

It's adorable you don't realize how deeply unpopular your position is while thinking that it's actually quite popular, but I guess it tracks given your overall ignorance of this topic.

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He doesn't even understand that saying abortions mean something "went wrong" isn't a factual statement.

There is a hypothesis that for some unknown reason, a chance of a miscarriage exists with all pregnancies. It doesn't mean anything "went wrong."

It's not a hypothesis, it's a biological reality. Pregnancy is like, still somewhat dangerous and there will always be a level of danger to it. The way it changes a woman's body, from rearranging organs to hormonal changes and changes to their immune system, there are a ton of risks. Most can be managed fairly well, but there's always going to be an inherent level of risk associated with pregnancy. Period.

[Varx]

He writes, ignoring that literally every time it's been put to the voters the voters have rejected Republican attempts to control women's bodies, to the point where Republican lawmakers are seeking to prevent citizens from proposing those kinds of ballot measures moving forward in some states.

It's adorable you don't realize how deeply unpopular your position is while thinking that it's actually quite popular, but I guess it tracks given your overall ignorance of this topic.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MaYEeXpKotQ

[Darththeo]

He writes, ignoring that literally every time it's been put to the voters the voters have rejected Republican attempts to control women's bodies, to the point where Republican lawmakers are seeking to prevent citizens from proposing those kinds of ballot measures moving forward in some states.

It's adorable you don't realize how deeply unpopular your position is while thinking that it's actually quite popular, but I guess it tracks given your overall ignorance of this topic.

Pro-lifers aren't even pro-life. They are pro-birth.

Free food? No. Free housing? No. Free clothes? No.
Support for families? No.

Hell, I would argue if I do not have a right to end my life, I do not have a right to life. It is more like an obligation to live.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MaYEeXpKotQ

it's adorable you think that disprove anything that Edge said.

[Calfredd]

I'll be back later, got errands to take care of.

Just remember, RvW is the harbinger of the end of pro choice. Just give it a few years, maybe even decades.

Always remember your child wants to live and wants to meet you. Don't be foo by this leftist poison about bodily autonomy and empowerment.

The write thing is to give your child life. It might not be the easy decision, but it'll be the most fulfilling one.

Thank you for, once again, appealing to emotion instead of science. I certainly learned a lot from your "Not religious!", unbiased views on the matter. /s

[Varx]

Thank you for, once again, appealing to emotion instead of science. I certainly learned a lot from your "Not religious!", unbiased views on the matter. /s

Science says you're killing babies.

You'll agree one day. Just takes some growing and perspective. I guarantee it

Okay now I'm done. For now

[Calfredd]

Science says you're killing babies.

Okay now I'm done.

I liked you better when you were the "my brother was the hateful tinker fanatic, not me!" guy; your ignorance on the topic wasn't as egregious as it is in this thread.

[masterhorus8]

Science says you're killing babies.

You'll agree one day. Just takes some growing and perspective. I guarantee it

Okay now I'm done. For now

They're not born yet, therefor, not a baby being killed.

Stop making things up.

[Darththeo]

It's not a hypothesis, it's a biological reality. Pregnancy is like, still somewhat dangerous and there will always be a level of danger to it. The way it changes a woman's body, from rearranging organs to hormonal changes and changes to their immune system, there are a ton of risks. Most can be managed fairly well, but there's always going to be an inherent level of risk associated with pregnancy. Period.

Yeah, I know. I am not really talking about the fact it happens, but the reason it happens. We don't know the reason for most spontaneous abortions. And there are hypotheses to why that may exist.

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Science says you're killing babies.

You'll agree one day. Just takes some growing and perspective. I guarantee it

Okay now I'm done. For now

Science does not say that.

[Varx]

I liked you better when you were the "my brother was the hateful tinker fanatic, not me!" guy; your ignorance on the topic wasn't as egregious as it is in this thread.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Yt0xJKDY8

[Edge-]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MaYEeXpKotQ

Why are you linking the same video again? What do you think it will say this time that we didn't point out as stupid and incorrect last time?

Y'all really, truly live in your own world of pure imagination, where you don't let those pesky facts from reality get in the way of believing that everyone actually agrees with you.

https://ballotpedia.org/2022_abortio...allot_measures

Meanwhile in the last election alone -

VT, MI, and CA all had ballot measures passed by a popular vote protecting access to reproductive health and bodily autonomy in their states.

In comparison, MT, KY, and KA all had measures attempting to define fetal personhood, clarify their state Constitution did not include protection for abortions, give said power to the state legislature, or otherwise deny women bodily autonomy and reproductive care. These all failed.

Face it, Varx, your position is just not that popular and people don't really like it at all. Even other conservatives.

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Science says you're killing babies.

Facts don't care about your feelings.