SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Calfredd]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uXOgmn9G3kQ

I actually brought this argument earlier

She just massacres these libs


Open your eyes people. Listen and listen well.

I opened my eyes and listened and I wasn't impressed with what I saw and heard.

[Darththeo]

I opened my eyes and listened and I wasn't impressed with what I saw and heard.

It is amusing he says he is "not religious" but his argument is literally "If you just listen and open your eyes, you will see the truth!"

It is phrase exactly as people have tried to convince me about their "good book."

[Elegiac]

So that tissue organ donation argument actually has a term, its called the violinists argument. And our hero krisan Hawkins tackles this too and puts it down like a dog.

Nah, she doesn't, because her argument ignores the fact that consent is not automatically given in perpetuity; it can be withdrawn at any time and for any reason.

[Varx]

Dude, she's wrong. Objectively wrong.

If you understand her arguments, they are hugely flawed. Why should I listen to someone I know is 100% mistaken in her view point?

Because she's not...

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Nah, she doesn't, because her argument ignores the fact that consent is not automatically given in perpetuity; it can be withdrawn at any time and for any reason.

Then you don't respect the bond mother and child have

[Calfredd]

Because she's not...

Because you say so.

[Varx]

Because you say so.

No because I have fully functioning ears and value accountability over selfish interests

[Elegiac]

Then you don't respect the bond mother and child have

Because it's not relevant to a discussion of bodily autonomy. The same thing would apply if a wife decided to stop donating blood to her husband despite having consented earlier.

But thanks for admitting neither you nor Miss Hawkins can actually back up your position.

[Calfredd]

No because I have fully functioning ears and value accountability over selfish interests

Then you wouldn't be a conservative.

[Darththeo]

Because she's not...

Yes, she is. Only people who are already convinced she is telling the truth believe they aren't wrong.

You have to accept her conclusion to accept her argument.

That is a sign of a bad argument. It will fail to convince any fence sitter; let alone convincing someone who doesn't accept her stance.

[Darththeo]

No because I have fully functioning ears and value accountability over selfish interests

All evidence to the contrary.

[Varx]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TAXi14ftYyo

Here's a comp of pro life smack down.

Just take 20 minutes to sit down and try to listen to a different perspective.

You might discover something about yourself

[Varx]

Because it's not relevant to a discussion of bodily autonomy. The same thing would apply if a wife decided to stop donating blood to her husband despite having consented earlier.

But thanks for admitting neither you nor Miss Hawkins can actually back up your position.

Love how you guys keep comparing apples and oranges when making analogies like this.

[Elegiac]

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I can guarantee you that every argument in every one of these videos you have posted are the same bullshit canards that have been circulated for the past half-century and have already been thoroughly debunked.

[Varx]

I can't get my head that far up my own ass, so I'll never see it from that shitty a perspective.

Okay, have fun stagnating for the rest of your life then

[Endus]

So that tissue organ donation argument actually has a term, its called the violinists argument. And our hero krisan Hawkins tackles this too and puts it down like a dog.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=89iD2s6ABqQ

Yes, it's the Violinist argument, essentially, but that argument has never been debunked.

Her argument that there's a difference is that there's a difference between it being a stranger, and a woman and her child. This is not a counter-argument. It introduces an entirely irrelevant factor solely to push an appeal to emotion, which is not based in reason.

She claims the woman has given consent to get pregnant, except for cases of sexual assault. This is a provable lie, because consent is an active state and can always be revoked. You can't get "locked in" to your consent. Above and beyond that lie, there is absolutely nothing about consenting to have sex that in any way indicates any consent to impregnation. That's a malicious and hateful argument that attempt to dehumanize women into brood mares. Handmaid's Tale-style religious nonsense. Acknowledging the risk of pregnancy is not the same as consenting to continue that pregnancy. Absolute clown shoes of a claim, and deeply misogynist.

"The creation of a unique whole human life", we're back to appeals to emotion, because none of this bullshit is relevant to the question. Are twins less "human" because they're not "unique"? Are we investigating all women who miscarry for homicide? Nobody actually believes this horseshit; it's just an emotional appeal to justify their attacks on women.

"It's like her giving consent and then taking it away". Yes. That's how consent works, Hawkins, you blathering fucking moron.

And the sexual assault exception, again, just proves she (and you) really don't believe it's a human person from conception. If you did, sexual assault wouldn't constitute an exception. Are rape-babies less "human" or less deserving of rights? Every time you people make this argument, you're just admitting to being liars and con artists.

"It's also different when it's unplugging rather than actively killing". The vast majority of abortion methods used detach the fetus, which leads to immediate death of the fetus. It's the literal biological equivalent of "unplugging", so she's lying again. Also, when it comes to end-of-life considerations, "unplugging" absolutely is considered "killing", so it's not even an honest approach.

Then she insists that women forced to bear to term aren't being "punished" despite the torturous circumstances, solely because she wants them to be pregnant. Absolutely morally galling. Evil as fuuuuck. Literally dismissing people's consent and desires for her religious views.

That's 4 wasted minutes of my life I'm not getting back. Absolutely awful woman and her whole schtick is incredibly dishonest and ill-informed.

[Varx]

I can guarantee you that every argument in every one of these videos you have posted are the same bullshit canards that have been circulated for the past half-century and have already been thoroughly debunked.

Of they were debunked then there wouldn't be such a strong pro life movement now would there

[unfilteredJW]

Love how you guys keep comparing apples and oranges when making analogies like this.

Now this is one hell of a statement. lol.

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Of they were debunked then there wouldn't be such a strong pro life movement now would there

People think the earth is flat you goon.

[Elegiac]

Love how you guys keep comparing apples and oranges when making analogies like this.

You and Miss Hawkins already acknowledged the analogy's legitimacy when you tried and failed to logic your way around it by saying it's only a valid argument in the case of rape.

So no, hardly apples and oranges. You're simply insisting it's the case because you can't reconcile ostensible belief in bodily autonomy with a nonsense political position that was invented as a fig leaf for racists.

[Endus]

Nah, she doesn't, because her argument ignores the fact that consent is not automatically given in perpetuity; it can be withdrawn at any time and for any reason.

She actually specifically rejects the idea that consent can ever be revoked. Which is something date rapists would love to be true, so they can legally escape consquences for being rapist fucks, which she's implicitly supporting here.

[Darththeo]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TAXi14ftYyo

Here's a comp of pro life smack down.

Just take 20 minutes to sit down and try to listen to a different perspective.

You might discover something about yourself

I have heard it all before, Varx. Most pro-choicers have. They are still pro-choice.

When the video literally starts with a rare abortion type, one generally used when the mother's life is in danger or the fetus is dead; I already know it is being dishonest.