SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Varx]

Yes, it's the Violinist argument, essentially, but that argument has never been debunked.

Her argument that there's a difference is that there's a difference between it being a stranger, and a woman and her child. This is not a counter-argument. It introduces an entirely irrelevant factor solely to push an appeal to emotion, which is not based in reason.

She claims the woman has given consent to get pregnant, except for cases of sexual assault. This is a provable lie, because consent is an active state and can always be revoked. You can't get "locked in" to your consent. Above and beyond that lie, there is absolutely nothing about consenting to have sex that in any way indicates any consent to impregnation. That's a malicious and hateful argument that attempt to dehumanize women into brood mares. Handmaid's Tale-style religious nonsense. Acknowledging the risk of pregnancy is not the same as consenting to continue that pregnancy. Absolute clown shoes of a claim, and deeply misogynist.

"The creation of a unique whole human life", we're back to appeals to emotion, because none of this bullshit is relevant to the question. Are twins less "human" because they're not "unique"? Are we investigating all women who miscarry for homicide? Nobody actually believes this horseshit; it's just an emotional appeal to justify their attacks on women.

"It's like her giving consent and then taking it away". Yes. That's how consent works, Hawkins, you blathering fucking moron.

And the sexual assault exception, again, just proves she (and you) really don't believe it's a human person from conception. If you did, sexual assault wouldn't constitute an exception. Are rape-babies less "human" or less deserving of rights? Every time you people make this argument, you're just admitting to being liars and con artists.

"It's also different when it's unplugging rather than actively killing". The vast majority of abortion methods used detach the fetus, which leads to immediate death of the fetus. It's the literal biological equivalent of "unplugging", so she's lying again. Also, when it comes to end-of-life considerations, "unplugging" absolutely is considered "killing", so it's not even an honest approach.

Then she insists that women forced to bear to term aren't being "punished" despite the torturous circumstances, solely because she wants them to be pregnant. Absolutely morally galling. Evil as fuuuuck. Literally dismissing people's consent and desires for her religious views.

That's 4 wasted minutes of my life I'm not getting back. Absolutely awful woman and her whole schtick is incredibly dishonest and ill-informed.

You have little to no sense of nuance I swear. It like black and white with you.

[Shadowferal]

People think the earth is flat you goon.

The medieval perspectives are dying out...

[Edge-]

Of they were debunked then there wouldn't be such a strong pro life movement now would there

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

Once again, facts don't give a single fuck about your feelings, rofl.

[Calfredd]

Of they were debunked then there wouldn't be such a strong pro life movement now would there

If the Flat Earthers were debunked then there wouldn't be such a strong flat earth movement and yet here we are.

[Varx]

At least my fun doesn't come at the oppression of women, so I'll gladly take stagnation.

No one is being oppressed relaxed. This ain't handmaid's tale, no one is being forced to get pregnant

[Endus]

Of they were debunked then there wouldn't be such a strong pro life movement now would there

Same reason there's young-Earth creationists, and flat-Earthers, and anti-evolutionists. They don't want to accept reality, so they prefer a shared delusion. That just means they're collectively wrong, not that they're a valid alternative who have a point.

[Elegiac]

Of they were debunked then there wouldn't be such a strong pro life movement now would there

1) This is a popularity fallacy. Climate change denial being espoused by a lot of people does not mean that it's a valid position, the same applies to the Cirque du Pro-Life.
2) You mean the pro-life movement which consistently fails when subjected to democratic scrutiny and has to rely on gerrymandered representatives or unelected officials forcing through abortion bans? That pro-life movement?

[Varx]

If the Flat Earthers were debunked then there wouldn't be such a strong flat earth movement and yet here we are.

I wouldn't call that movement strong at all lmao

[Darththeo]

Of they were debunked then there wouldn't be such a strong pro life movement now would there

There are people who believe the world is 6000 years old.
There are people who believe the earth is flat.
There are people who deny we went to the moon or the Holocaust happened.
There are people who believe the Civil War was a war over "State's right."

All these movements are "strong" by the standard you are applying.

[Edge-]

This ain't handmaid's tale

https://www.vogue.com/article/missou...ouse-bare-arms

Yes it fuckin is lol, those good conservatives down in Missouri are making sure those sluts that got elected to the house aren't going to show their elbows. Those vile temptresses won't be baring their shoulders for all to see, without any shame or embarassment.

[Darththeo]

I wouldn't call that movement strong at all lmao

And yet, it is growing faster than the pro-life movement is.

[Endus]

You have little to no sense of nuance I swear. It like black and white with you.

No answer to the specific criticisms, then. Can't even defend your champion's bullshit rhetoric.

It's not all black and white. She's not Hitler. But "not as evil as Hitler" doesn't mean she's a good, honest person, either. She's actively denying the capacity to revoke consent and denying basic bodily autonomy to women all in pursuit of a religious extremist viewpoint that those she's targeting does not share. That is "evil", even if it's "not as evil as Hitler".

[Jastall]

But that is the point: If the system is hard-walled to the degree that getting ACCESS to this "few exceptions", then you can act as if you are actually quite fair even though you know full-well you don't HAVE those exceptions get held to account, much like voting cards for minorities or month-long waiting list for fiscal support for unemployment or food stamps.

Oh, I'm fully aware. I'm just trying to see how deep the rabbit hole goes. Call it morbid curiosity.

[Elegiac]

She actually specifically rejects the idea that consent can ever be revoked. Which is something date rapists would love to be true, so they can legally escape consquences for being rapist fucks, which she's implicitly supporting here.

Every right wing slag wants to be the next Phyllis Schlafly not realising that selling your soul does not mean an exception will be made for you. You hate to see it.

[Varx]

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

Once again, facts don't give a single fuck about your feelings, rofl.

Never said it was the majority.

Of course pro choice is the majority.

Abortion is what's easy. Choosing life and raising your child is hard. Most humans are selfish and self centered so yeah obviously it's going to be more popular. Particularly with young people

[Calfredd]

I wouldn't call that movement strong at all lmao

Could have just said Anti-Vaxx but then I think you would have agreed with them.

[Elegiac]

Never said it was the majority.

Of course pro choice is the majority.

Abortion is what's easy. Choosing life and raising your child is hard. Most humans are selfish and self centered so yeah obviously it's going to be more popular. Particularly with young people

You have clearly never known a woman who's had to have an abortion if you think it's an easy decision, habibi.

[Darththeo]

Never said it was the majority.

Of course pro choice is the majority.

Abortion is what's easy. Choosing life and raising your child is hard. Most humans are selfish and self centered so yeah obviously it's going to be more popular. Particularly with young people

The pro-life movement is 100% a selfish movement. It isn't about the life of the child, it is about those in the movement feeling good about themself.

[Endus]

Never said it was the majority.

Of course pro choice is the majority.

Abortion is what's easy. Choosing life and raising your child is hard. Most humans are selfish and self centered so yeah obviously it's going to be more popular. Particularly with young people

Does anyone think this guy even sees the irony between attacking me for "black-and-white thinking" after engaging in specific criticisms of every point Hawkins made against the Violinist Argument, and moments later painting all abortion-seekers with the completely manufactured, condescending, malicious broad brush he uses here?

[Varx]

No answer to the specific criticisms, then. Can't even defend your champion's bullshit rhetoric.

It's not all black and white. She's not Hitler. But "not as evil as Hitler" doesn't mean she's a good, honest person, either. She's actively denying the capacity to revoke consent and denying basic bodily autonomy to women all in pursuit of a religious extremist viewpoint that those she's targeting does not share. That is "evil", even if it's "not as evil as Hitler".

Listen man a woman can fuck up her body any way she sees fit. She can get tattoos, do drugs, drink, have sex with thousands of people.

But pregnancy isn't just her body. Now we have another body that's just as human as she is. But you fail to recognize this since to you it's "just a clump of cells"

Abortion is not about freedom it's about convenience and avoiding accountability

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Does anyone think this guy even sees the irony between attacking me for "black-and-white thinking" after engaging in specific criticisms of every point Hawkins made against the Violinist Argument, and moments later painting all abortion-seekers with the completely manufactured, condescending, malicious broad brush he uses here?

Because it's the truth.

Most abortions are from selfish convenience, not rape. It's sickening