SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Cthulhu 2020]

Imagine believing that being a Democrat somehow magically means that a person has good opinions on policing in this country. Hell, Biden and Harris were both roundly criticized by people on the left for the shit they got up to when it came to law enforcement.

But do keep licking that boot. I'm sure it's delicious.

Of course, because we as humans can only view other humans through the lens we view ourselves. Republicans only ever see themselves being utterly and completely loyal to their cult, which means being loyal to everything every politician says in their cult. So of course they believe Democrats are the same.

It's always funny to watch them have ZERO response when a Democrat actually criticizes their own. Because the only response the right has to defend their own awful views is to go "WELL WHAT ABOUT THIS DEMOCRAT WHO SAID SOMETHING COMPLETELY UNRELATED BUT I WANT TO DISTRACT FROM MY OWN TERRIBLE POLITICS?!"

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I happen to agree with their steps taken here. Imagine, a Republican looking up why the Democrat-run city police department did something, and finding they did right.

I think we're just two steps away from "Well, the Democrats aren't magically innocent here, and these are the same policies I just suggested are part of the hellscape push, but they just aren't pushing as hard." Maybe we're already there.

I hear fascism, racism, anti-LGBTQ+ enough from reading this forum that I think a poll would be majority "party of hate." Same page as I'm posting this contains the cognitive dissonance statement of wondering why anyone not from a particular sex class race sexual identity and religious group would ever vote for them. Maybe imagine believing that being a Republican somehow magically means that a person does not have good opinions on policing in this country.

I can find the tiniest square inch of common ground with you here.

Bro, we've been over this only a thousand times. The Democrat party is still inherently right wing. The only thing that makes them at all left is that they care a little bit more about taking care of the poor and sick and marginalized. But Democrats are still inherently "liberal" which on the actual political compass is still very right wing.

This country has a massive issue with institutionalized racism in law enforcement, as well as police departments of any city just being all around awful people who are just fat men on power trips. They break the law on camera all the time and never face any kind of punishment for it.

The fact that you care so much about the political leaning of the Mayor/chief/commissioner as some kind of "gotcha" about this says more about your own warped politics than anything else.

[tehdang]

Bro, we've been over this only a thousand times. The Democrat party is still inherently right wing. The only thing that makes them at all left is that they care a little bit more about …

Then consider my posts to be directed at people talking in the American context of left and right. I’m aware things are different in different parts of the world and people wish for a universal approach.

[Twdft]

The Democrat party is still inherently right wing. The only thing that makes them at all left is that they care a little bit more about taking care of the poor and sick and marginalized. But Democrats are still inherently "liberal" which on the actual political compass is still very right wing.

This will never not be funny to me. Looking from the other side of the pond I see Obama 8 years in power and Americans still have zero days mandated paid vacation and a minimum wage of $7.25/h. Yeah, nothing says radical left like spitting on your workers like that.

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Then consider my posts to be directed at people talking in the American context of left and right. I’m aware things are different in different parts of the world and people wish for a universal approach.

The point is that the "American context" is a deliberately propagandized Overton window that seeks to make all left-wing thought seem extremist by nature, as even the Democrats are to the right of it.

Rejecting that propaganda and sticking to objective evaluations of policy is the responsible alternative, not insisting your want your fragile propagandized views to be protected from fact-based challenge.

And that's not a partisan take. Both American parties have contributed to this propaganda, and still do. Ocasio-Cortez is still treated as if she's on the far left of politics, when she's center-left at best.

[Poopymonster]

This will never not be funny to me. Looking from the other side of the pond I see Obama 8 years in power and Americans still have zero days mandated paid vacation and a minimum wage of $7.25/h. Yeah, nothing says radical left like spitting on your workers like that.

But we have freedoms!
The freedom to force women to have a kid (which is expensive, the opposite of free), which will then be free to be shot at school.

[prwraith]

I hear fascism, racism, anti-LGBTQ+ enough from reading this forum that I think a poll would be majority "party of hate." Same page as I'm posting this contains the cognitive dissonance statement of wondering why anyone not from a particular sex class race sexual identity and religious group would ever vote for them. Maybe imagine believing that being a Republican somehow magically means that a person does not have good opinions on policing in this country.

You make quite a few cognitive leaps there chief. You've also managed to type a whole lot of words, without saying anything at all.

While I have to believe, for my own sanity, that the rank and file republicans of the world have not gone completely insane. That party is actively working to reverse marriage equality, making it harder for everyone to vote, and intentionally flooding the public with guns that you no longer need a permit to conceal. So while republican =/= bad. It's becoming harder and harder to tell the difference

[tehdang]

You make quite a few cognitive leaps there chief. You've also managed to type a whole lot of words, without saying anything at all.

Poster says people will be able to “call them the party of hate soon” and my response is I think people already would.

While I have to believe, for my own sanity, that the rank and file republicans of the world have not gone completely insane. That party is actively working to reverse marriage equality, making it harder for everyone to vote, and intentionally flooding the public with guns that you no longer need a permit to conceal. So while republican =/= bad. It's becoming harder and harder to tell the difference

So long as you don’t use party identity to decide whether to generalize an action or minimize it.

[s_bushido]

Even when Democrats elect the candidates they think will represent them, they still get disenfranchised.

Holy fuck, I hate this godforsaken country. Should be grounds for an immediate special election...

[Edge-]

Even when Democrats elect the candidates they think will represent them, they still get disenfranchised.

Holy fuck, I hate this godforsaken country. Should be grounds for an immediate special election...

Immediate recall and special election. I'm wondering if Republicans got her to run as a Democrat again with this in mind somehow. Like, at this point I'm absolutely not ruling anything out given everything else they've done in recent years.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Poster says people will be able to “call them the party of hate soon” and my response is I think people already would.

So long as you don’t use party identity to decide whether to generalize an action or minimize it.

"I don't agree with the hateful rhetoric and hateful policy of these politicians, I just vote them into office."

[Taifuu]

Immediate recall and special election. I'm wondering if Republicans got her to run as a Democrat again with this in mind somehow. Like, at this point I'm absolutely not ruling anything out given everything else they've done in recent years.

It's this. Her claims are that she is switching parties because Democrats were supposedly bullying her. That argument works only if she was switching from Democrat to Independent. Doesn't fly when you're switching to a party that is ideologically opposed to pretty much everything both you and your previous party ran on. She's in on the grift.

[Edge-]

It's this. Her claims are that she is switching parties because Democrats were supposedly bullying her. That argument works only if she was switching from Democrat to Independent. Doesn't fly when you're switching to a party that is ideologically opposed to pretty much everything both you and your previous party ran on. She's in on the grift.

so fuckin resign, you spineless bitch

not that anyone believes this shit rofl

[Captain N]

"I don't agree with the hateful rhetoric and hateful policy of these politicians, I just vote them into office."

It just means that shitty and inhumane behavior isn't a deal breaker for them. Often the sign that they've radicalized themselves into believing that the accepted existence of LGBTQ peoples and other minorities is somehow worse.

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Immediate recall and special election. I'm wondering if Republicans got her to run as a Democrat again with this in mind somehow. Like, at this point I'm absolutely not ruling anything out given everything else they've done in recent years.

Agreed. This is rat fucking the election process and I'd like to believe that there is something written somewhere about switching parties to avoid exactly what this is causing (a veto proof majority for the GOP for those who didn't read the link).

[Fugus]

It just means that shitty and inhumane behavior isn't a deal breaker for them. Often the sign that they've radicalized themselves into believing that the accepted existence of LGBTQ peoples and other minorities is somehow worse.

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Agreed. This is rat fucking the election process and I'd like to believe that there is something written somewhere about switching parties to avoid exactly what this is causing (a veto proof majority for the GOP for those who didn't read the link).

Blocking from switching parities wouldn’t block from voting with them.

[Captain N]

Blocking from switching parities wouldn’t block from voting with them.

I'm sure it wouldn't as we've seen numerous times with Manchin and Sinema. However running a Republican on a Democratic ticket just so that they end up with 2 Republicans in office is a massive bait and switch to the voter base.

[Fugus]

I'm sure it wouldn't as we've seen numerous times with Manchin and Sinema. However running a Republican on a Democratic ticket just so that they end up with 2 Republicans in office is a massive bait and switch to the voter base.

Yes, and if we can prove that, it’s their ass.

But my point was that just blocking them from officially switching parties while in office wouldn’t stop them from voting them.

And I can definitely see the GOP running in the Democratic primaries and even lying about what they stand for to do it given who they have been caught trying to run spoilers as independents to win and I remember at least one story where one person was caught changing parties before an election to run as what they claimed to stand against prior.

But blocking them from flipping parties officially won’t change much.

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I'm sure it wouldn't as we've seen numerous times with Manchin and Sinema. However running a Republican on a Democratic ticket just so that they end up with 2 Republicans in office is a massive bait and switch to the voter base.

Looking up on this woman, she doesn't seem like a plant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricia_Cotham

She evidently served from around 2007 to 2017 and then lost the 2016 election and just now got back.

So it wasn't a run as something to lie, it is more likely doing what is most beneficial to her regardless of whom she represents. Whether that be bribery, blackmail, or just how running her own business and figuring she can make more money if she can screw who workers harder. But it doesn't look like she changed affiliation just for the election.

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@cubby

With the woman who decided to flip parties against the will of the heavily blue district that elected her, is there anything the people of that district can do to force her to step down? Maybe force a special election with a call of no confidence in her or something? Or are they, along with the rest of the state, screwed till the next election?

[Breccia]

So long as you don’t use party identity to decide whether to generalize an action or minimize it.

They are in your party, either voted in by people in spite of their words and actions, or because of their words and actions.

We're not generalizing it. You and your fellow Party of Trumpers have generalized it, as in "general election". We're just pointing it out.

By the way, it would have taken minimal effort to say "I don't agree with some of the things that were said by my party membersa". You didn't. That means you're one of the people that made this happen.

So, this is your fault.

In other news, tehdang's deplorable party passed a "you can't get an abortion in another state" law update in Idaho. Sound unConstitutional? The ACLU agrees. They're suing.

Idaho’s attorney general Raúl Labrador issued a legal opinion last week that said state law prohibits medical providers from referring a patient across state lines to undergo an abortion, or from prescribing abortion pills for a patient to pick up across state lines.

“Preventing health care providers from referring patients out of state to get an abortion? Extreme, unprecedented, and unconstitutional. Attorney General Labrador, we’ll see you in court,” Planned Parenthood said on Twitter.

The ACLU also said it’s suing Labrador “for threatening health care providers who exercise their First Amendment right to give patients information about out-of-state abortion care.”

“Labrador’s interpretation is unprecedented and amounts to a clear threat that Idaho will seek to punish individuals for speech and conduct related to abortions that take place in states where abortion is legal,” Planned Parenthood Great Northwest said in a Wednesday filing in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Idaho, Southern Division.

The lawsuit comes after Republican Idaho Gov. Brad Little on Wednesday signed into law a new bill that makes it a crime for an adult to aid a minor in undergoing an abortion or obtaining abortion pills out-of state without parental permission.

[Fugus]

@Breccia

Kinda reminds me of some conversations I have had over the years locally (North Carolina).


Them : I believe in Democracy.

Me : So you believe Gerrymandering should be illegal?

Them : Democrats do it too!

Me : Yeah, but Republicans do it much more and much more extreme and I believe it should be illegal for either of them to do.

Them : *Hesitantly* I agree with that.

Me : So you should be pretty pissed when your party blocked the bill that would have made it illegal at a federal level or when they did it in this state and openly bragged about intentionally doing it to disenfranchise voters.

Them : No they didn't.

Me : Shows them videos of the guy who drew the districts bragging about how he only drew districts that allowed Democrats 3 seats because there was no way he could draw them where the democrats only got 2 or mention the HR1 bill.

Them : Spouts conspiracy theories about George Soros and pedophiles.

Me : If you have any evidence of any of that I would be glad to see it but none of that would still change the fact that the Republicans blocked banning it and cheered using it. Let alone the racism in the party.

Them : Republican's aren't racist!

Me : What about the voter ID laws they tried to push in North Carolina!

Them : That was about voter fraud!

Me : We have studies going back decades showing that any fraud they have is minor at best and it isn't used to combat voter fraud, its used to combat legal voters they don't like. The whole reason it was thrown out by the Supreme Court was because the Republicans were so brazen they actually did studies to find out which forms of ID minorities were most likely to lack just so they could require them and target them surgically to stop them from voting. You would quite literally be cutting out 100,000+ legal voters for every one illegal vote you would hope to catch.

Them : Queues the insults and threats calling me a some anti-christian trope and part of some conspiracy theory. Or tries to change the subject or go silent entirely if they can't and just walk away.

[tehdang]

Even when Democrats elect the candidates they think will represent them, they still get disenfranchised.

Holy fuck, I hate this godforsaken country. Should be grounds for an immediate special election...

“This has been something I have considered for a very long time. I have seen the Democratic party change tremendously. When I came here and when I campaigned to be here, I really believed I could make change in the Democratic party,” she said.

“I realized on day one I was not welcomed and that they did not want me here. And that was very hard and I still kept trying,” Cotham continued, saying she was cut off from her fellow Democratic caucus members.

“I am still who I am,” she said. “There are people who think you automatically make this switch – because in their mind and their perception and what they see on TV and the Facebook ads that run through them—now she is going to be this monster. That’s not true. I am still who I am.”

“It is about governing, it is about leading and I have strong support in my district despite what Twitter might show,” she continued.

Charlotte Observer quotes.

“It became very clear to me early on in January that you better vote in line with everything Gov. Cooper tells you to do,” Ms. Cotham said at a news conference. “I have always been a freethinker, a woman of faith, a person of independent judgment and of common sense.” Because she worked across the aisle, she added, “I was considered a traitor, I was told. A spy. ‘Please don’t come to caucus. You’ll tell everything we know.’ That is a terrible mentality.”

Wall Street Journal.

It sounds like Democrats went too far in trying to force party unity on votes, without allowing for dissent. She's no trojan horse; she's been a Democratic politician in NC from 2007-2016. But maybe today's NC State Democratic Party isn't the same as yesteryear's. The big question is if she changes on abortion legislation, or just issues like school choice. The left here will have my sympathies if she flips after running on codifying Roe vs Wade as law.

[Taifuu]

Charlotte Observer quotes.

Wall Street Journal.

It sounds like Democrats went too far in trying to force party unity on votes, without allowing for dissent. She's no trojan horse; she's been a Democratic politician in NC from 2007-2016. But maybe today's NC State Democratic Party isn't the same as yesteryear's. The big question is if she changes on abortion legislation, or just issues like school choice. The left here will have my sympathies if she flips after running on codifying Roe vs Wade as law.

Bullshit, if that's all it was she would have just changed to an Independent. She specifically switched to a party that stands for everything that her constituents voted against. She's only being "forced" to follow the Democractic party line if she's not following the party platform in the first place. Those platforms, just like Republicans, have been pretty consistent over the years.

Going back to the "Democrat's overreaching", how much shit does Joe Manchin get called out on a daily basis from his fellow Democrats? Is he a Republican? Nope, still a Democrat. Kirsten Sinema, who took Manchin's antics to a new level, did leave the Democractic Party...to become an Independent, despite bragging about working with Republicans and being bi-partisan. Not Republican, Independent. Cotham could have switched to an Independent AND DELIBERALY CHOSE NOT TO DO SO. That's a scam and the fact that it's allowed is just an example of how broken our system is.

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This is the Republican party:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...9dbca4fd&ei=55

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Idaho Gov. Brad Little signed a bill into law Wednesday that makes it illegal for an adult to help a minor get an abortion without parental consent.

The law is the first of its kind in the U.S. and creates a new crime of “ abortion trafficking,” barring adults from obtaining abortion pills for a minor or “recruiting, harboring or transporting the pregnant minor” without the consent of the minor's parent or guardian.

Anyone convicted of breaking the law will face two to five years in prison and could also be sued by the minor's parent or guardian. Parents who raped their child will not be able to sue, though the criminal penalties for anyone who helped the minor obtain an abortion will remain in effect.

To sidestep violating a constitutional right to travel between states, Idaho’s law makes illegal only the in-state segment of a trip to an out-of-state abortion provider.

No exceptions for rape or incest; just that the parents themselves can't sue someone if their child is pregnant and gets an abortion.