SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[The Stormbringer]

Not my preferred tactic. Some interesting numbers. Trump won Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania in 2016. Biden won them back in 2020. Trump won Wisconsin by 20k votes in 2016. Biden won it by 20k in 2020. Protasiewicz won by 200,000 votes. We saw formerly GOP suburban counties voting for her. She managed to get close in several white working class counties. Which was nuts.

It appears, at least yesterday, Democrats wedge issue - abortion trumps all of GOP wedge issues combined - crime & economy & wokeness.

Don't forget, Dems also get to point at Republicans bullying the shit out of trans kids and generally just shitting on trans people in general. That'll help sustain the youth vote, absolutely guaranteed.

[fwc577]

There are other signs of trouble for the GOP during the Wisconsin election. Dan Knodl (R) barely defeated his opponent Jodi Habush Sinykin (D) 50.9% to 49.1% in a special election. That's a heavily gerrymandered district with 83.6% white population.

Yeah, so I went into some Conservative spaces today to see what they're all saying and my god, the Doomers are giving my tingles.

Between Kelly getting absolutely fucking Wholloped and a conservative WI SC seat lost as well as Knodl barely winning re-election for Darling's Republican Senate seat. Everyone is saying the general same thing:

Republicans are fucked because of terrible policies.

Their is like 20-25% of the base who are hardcore pro-lifers and if they switch toward a pro-choice platform, they immediately lose that 20-25% of the base.

Then their is a large number of independents and moderates who are pro-choice and the overturning of Roe resulted in those people just voting straight D tickets now throwing everything into whack.

Conservatives, meanwhile keep pushing these awful bills, like in Florida, and continue to try to ban it everywhere. Democrats are running on a heavy pro-choice message.

Then look at the campaigns being won. Kelly had nothing to attack with to try and get that WI Supreme Court seat. Meanwhile, Janet discussed how she was pro-choice, pro-gun restrictions and her message resonated with more people resulting in a 10 point shellacking in a state that is usually won/lost by 1-2 points.

The general consensus among Conservatives in those spaces is they've got no clue what to do. With an energized Dem party and poor policy, they don't think they're winning 2024 with Trump or any other candidate.

[tehdang]

There is no reason to switch opposing ideologies if you do not plan upon voting along those ideologies. Otherwise, it is just a pointless publicity stunt, which is also not good.

I just listed 3. I could list more.

Your arguments about Idaho are the exact same arguments that were made about the Texas law that made its way to the Supreme Court and was left in place. Pro-choice has been the popular opinion regarding abortion rights for decades, it doesn't change the fact that the Republican party has been trying to repeal Roe v. Wade all this time. It also doesn't change the fact that, regardless of whether or not it goes through, Republicans WANT it to go through.

You're trying to defend comparing Idaho (Trump +30) to NC (Trump +1.3) by talking about Texas? Just tell me you never had any intention of defending what you wrote. This is like X state is Y State, and let me talk about Z State to tell you why my fears are justified.

And yes, I would point out that if a Republican performed the same stunt I would have the same opinion. Deceiving your voters is wrong regardless of who is doing it.

Thank you acknowledging that this is a problem (pending upon her choices in your opinion at least, we can disagree there).

I wouldn't have thought you'd hold this opinion, but I applaud sticking to your principles!

Not surprised a conservative like you supports the act of defrauding voters for the sake of consolidating power though.

Representatives aren't puppets of their national or state party structure. It also presupposes that she will abandon everything she ran on. Go back to my previous posts if you're confused about my thoughts in the event she abandons her core campaign issues.

[s_bushido]

It also presupposes that she will abandon everything she ran on.

Yes. This is what happens when someone declares that they're switching to the other party after winning a seat. They lose the benefit of the doubt that their word on their policy positions is worth more than a particularly loud fart.

Especially when you swap to a Republican party that has been ramping up their anti-democracy, anti-LGBT, anti-democracy, and anti-woman rhetoric/legislature as they feel the noose of inevitable demographic changes tightening around their worthless throats.

[Fugus]

Yes. This is what happens when someone declares that they're switching to the other party after winning a seat. They lose the benefit of the doubt that their word on their policy positions is worth more than a particularly loud fart.

Especially when you swap to Republican party that has been ramping up their anti-democracy, anti-LGBT, anti-democracy, and anti-woman rhetoric/legislature as they feel the noose of inevitable demographic changes tightening around their worthless throats.

So help me god if this turns into a tie-in with what we learned about Clarence Thomas, Joe Manchin, and Kristen Sinema all taking bribes from the billionaire conservative donor.

[unfilteredJW]

/me looks up from sharpening guillotine

Is it time NOW?

[Edge-]

So help me god if this turns into a tie-in with what we learned about Clarence Thomas, Joe Manchin, and Kristen Sinema all taking bribes from the billionaire conservative donor.

I mean...I'm fully expecting media to start doing some serious digging into her to see if suddenly some huge debts disappeared out of nowhere. Or maybe there's some embarrassing family member that someone else discovered that she's trying to protect.

It's absolutely possible she just got upset that Democrats were big 'ol meanies to her and not very nice at all and thinks that for some reason the party that wants to control her uterus is going to be any more pleasant. I don't find it very likely or reasonable, but quite possible.

[Captain N]

So help me god if this turns into a tie-in with what we learned about Clarence Thomas, Joe Manchin, and Kristen Sinema all taking bribes from the billionaire conservative donor.

It wouldn't be as shocking as it would have been 10 years ago. Everyone has a price, and those 3 would (and have) sold out the American populace to line their pockets and there won't be any consequences for them. Just like there won't be for anyone else pulling them same thing that aren't normal Americans. Edge's post also reminded me that Kavanaugh is another we can add to the list of debts and such just disappearing with zero consequence.

[Ivanstone]

So help me god if this turns into a tie-in with what we learned about Clarence Thomas, Joe Manchin, and Kristen Sinema all taking bribes from the billionaire conservative donor.

Manchin doesn't need to be bribed. He is what he is. A very conservative Democrat who wants to make money selling coal.

Sinema was bribed by Wall Street lobbyists and McConnell's donor network.

[Fugus]

Manchin doesn't need to be bribed. He is what he is. A very conservative Democrat who wants to make money selling coal.

Sinema was bribed by Wall Street lobbyists and McConnell's donor network.

Yes, I mentioned them because the guy who has been throwing money at Clarence Thomas was also giving them money too. I know about Manchin's history with Coal but that money could explain some of his other stances and Sinema we knew what was up when she started going to McConnell's rallies as a guest that McConnell cheered for screwing the US for his benefit.

But to find out she flipped because some other billionaire has been floating cash her way and maybe she just wanted to retire after this one with a massive payday on her way out and a middle finger to the American public on her last term. Would not surprise me but also would be completely messed up as well.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Charlotte Observer quotes.

Wall Street Journal.

It sounds like Democrats went too far in trying to force party unity on votes, without allowing for dissent. She's no trojan horse; she's been a Democratic politician in NC from 2007-2016. But maybe today's NC State Democratic Party isn't the same as yesteryear's. The big question is if she changes on abortion legislation, or just issues like school choice. The left here will have my sympathies if she flips after running on codifying Roe vs Wade as law.

Follow the cash. If I were a betting person, I'd put lots of money on she got a huge donation from special interests and sold out her values. She's run on a VERY left wing platform for a long time. A mild altercation with the party she aligns her views with wouldn't cause her to do a complete 180 on EVERY SINGLE policy she believes in.

It's not exactly some big secret that a lot of washed up celebrities who don't have cash flow jump down the right wing pipeline because it's the only way for them to gain relevance and secure an income. There's a lot of money in being an insincere right wing ally.

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It's absolutely possible she just got upset that Democrats were big 'ol meanies to her and not very nice at all and thinks that for some reason the party that wants to control her uterus is going to be any more pleasant. I don't find it very likely or reasonable, but quite possible.

It's possible, but as I mentioned, if I was a betting type of person, I'd absolutely bet a lot of money against this.

[Good Hasbara]

/me looks up from sharpening guillotine
Is it time NOW?

I really look forward to what Average MMO-Champion UnfilteredJW's brand of Revolution looks like.

[unfilteredJW]

I really look forward to what Average MMO-Champion UnfilteredJW's brand of Revolution looks like.

Aw, a fan. Thanks for the love.

[Good Hasbara]

Aw, a fan. Thanks for the love.

Weird banter, but okay. I stan Tennisace and nobody since.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I'm ready to eat the rich, but we need to take this one step at a time. We have a fascist problem that needs to be taken care of before we start worrying about the liberal capitalists.

[unfilteredJW]

I'm ready to eat the rich, but we need to take this one step at a time. We have a fascist problem that needs to be taken care of before we start worrying about the liberal capitalists.

One feeds the other.

[tehdang]

Yes. This is what happens when someone declares that they're switching to the other party after winning a seat. They lose the benefit of the doubt that their word on their policy positions is worth more than a particularly loud fart.

Especially when you swap to a Republican party that has been ramping up their anti-democracy, anti-LGBT, anti-democracy, and anti-woman rhetoric/legislature as they feel the noose of inevitable demographic changes tightening around their worthless throats.

Corrupt party officials can play power games with her agenda, because oF cOUrse sHe caN'T sWiTCH sIDes! Well, I can't dismiss it after her statements and, frankly, the reaction.

Follow the cash.

Keep me apprised of this developing story!

[Taifuu]

I just listed 3. I could list more.

You didn't. You listed reasons for her to drop out of the Democratic party itself at best, nothing that would necessitate her joining the opposing party.

You're trying to defend comparing Idaho (Trump +30) to NC (Trump +1.3) by talking about Texas? Just tell me you never had any intention of defending what you wrote. This is like X state is Y State, and let me talk about Z State to tell you why my fears are justified.

You mean the states that are all being ran by the same party and have been proven to be colluding at a national level? What's your lame-ass take on this then?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...tion-rcna38301

The author of the Freedom to Travel for Health Care Act, Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada, requested consent to quickly pass the legislation but met resistance from Sen. James Lankford of Oklahoma, who objected on behalf of Republicans.

The eight-page bill would make it unlawful for a person or a government official to prevent or punish traveling across state lines "to receive or provide reproductive health care that is legal in that State." It also would bar states from imposing laws that prohibit women from traveling to other states to get abortions.

I even gave you a heads-up that this policy was not going to be isolated to Idaho, and your response was it couldn't because the population difference? As if these don't have Republican majorities or super-majorities. Fucking ignorance of the highest class right there. That's the REPUBLICAN PARTY blocking protections for interstate travel for abortions. At the National level. And just because I sincerely doubt you're aware of this, but Oklahoma is not Idaho. It's a different state entirely. Well, minus the politics.

I wouldn't have thought you'd hold this opinion, but I applaud sticking to your principles!

I applaud you for having a thought of your own for once instead of parroting talking points from Fox and Breitbart. Good for you! On my side, I would like to retract my statement as it's clear to me now that you were not posting in good faith. I expect you to defend Cotham's actions as well once she starts voting alongside Republican lines.

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Corrupt party officials can play power games with her agenda, because oF cOUrse sHe caN'T sWiTCH sIDes! Well, I can't dismiss it after her statements and, frankly, the reaction.

Keep me apprised of this developing story!

Keep us posted when you decide to actually answer the question: why she switched opposing viewpoints as opposed to just dropping out of the party.

[Edge-]

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...in-post-roe-te

Her name was Halo, and she was born last week, on March 29, two months early and weighing 3 pounds. She lived for four hours, dying in the arms of her father, Luis Villasana.

Her mother, Samantha Casiano, knew their baby wouldn't survive long because she had anencephaly – part of Halo's brain and skull never developed.

Now, they can't afford to give their newborn daughter the funeral they would like to give her.

This is wilfull and intentional torture of girls and women, leaving them with lifelong trauma for literally zero reason other than Republicans in many states, including Texas, just can't be bothered to tighten up the language around their laws and are perfectly happy with pregnant girls and women suffering.

If Republicans cared they'd be out in the streets protesting this outrage. They'd be demanding that these girls and women get the care they need to protect their health and not pointlessly traumatize them and saddle them with medical bills they may not be able to afford.

I'm perfectly, 100% fine saying that if Texas Republican voters aren't out there protesting this shit that's for one reason: Because this is either their goal as well, or because they genuinely lack basic human empathy to care for the needless suffering their party is inflicting on pregnant girls and women.

This is monstrous, and it's yet another monstrous story amongst too many to count in recent years. Brought to us by the Republican party.

[Taifuu]

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...in-post-roe-te



This is wilfull and intentional torture of girls and women, leaving them with lifelong trauma for literally zero reason other than Republicans in many states, including Texas, just can't be bothered to tighten up the language around their laws and are perfectly happy with pregnant girls and women suffering.

If Republicans cared they'd be out in the streets protesting this outrage. They'd be demanding that these girls and women get the care they need to protect their health and not pointlessly traumatize them and saddle them with medical bills they may not be able to afford.

I'm perfectly, 100% fine saying that if Texas Republican voters aren't out there protesting this shit that's for one reason: Because this is either their goal as well, or because they genuinely lack basic human empathy to care for the needless suffering their party is inflicting on pregnant girls and women.

This is monstrous, and it's yet another monstrous story amongst too many to count in recent years. Brought to us by the Republican party.

@tehdang, this is from Texas, not Idaho. What's your excuse this time for this legislation being passed? Is this another instance where Republican states are doing the same shit but somehow aren't comparable? Do you think that there won't be a similar law passed by Texas as more and more people leave the state for abortions? If so, what evidence do you have to back that up?