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    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...rights-effort/

    A proposed constitutional amendment at the center of the abortion rights battle in Ohio is projected to fail, delivering a major win for Democrats and reproductive rights advocates.

    Voters in the Buckeye State rejected a ballot measure that would have required at least 60 percent of voters to pass any amendments to the state constitution — up from a simple majority.

    The Associated Press called the election shortly before 9 p.m. ET.
    Yes, people noticed what Republicans were doing with this. Thankfully, their propaganda efforts appear to be wildly unsuccessful here.

    This is another example of Republicans trying to push their extremist positions on this topic and being resoundingly told, "Fuck off." once again. Ohio is a bit more purple than some other states where Republicans have been rebuffed and all, but it still voted for Trump in both elections so we can safely say that the electorate at least leans that direction right now.

    In addition to upping the threshold for the percentage of voters needed to change the state constitution, the August ballot measure would have required groups collecting signatures to put a measure on the ballot to gather a certain percentage of signatures from all of Ohio’s 88 counties, compared to the previously required 44 counties.

    It also would have gotten rid of a 10-day cure period for groups in the event that some of the signatures collected and submitted are not valid.
    Oh and it attached voting rights, too.

    Hard to guess which was the more animating element in the bill but oh well, chalk up another win for the ladies out there.

  2. #6782
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Yes, people noticed what Republicans were doing with this. Thankfully, their propaganda efforts appear to be wildly unsuccessful here.

    This is another example of Republicans trying to push their extremist positions on this topic and being resoundingly told, "Fuck off." once again. Ohio is a bit more purple than some other states where Republicans have been rebuffed and all, but it still voted for Trump in both elections so we can safely say that the electorate at least leans that direction right now.
    It does say a lot when people hate Republican policies but still vote Republican in the end. I wonder when it will proverbially come back to bite them in the asses
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  3. #6783
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...rights-effort/



    Yes, people noticed what Republicans were doing with this. Thankfully, their propaganda efforts appear to be wildly unsuccessful here.

    This is another example of Republicans trying to push their extremist positions on this topic and being resoundingly told, "Fuck off." once again. Ohio is a bit more purple than some other states where Republicans have been rebuffed and all, but it still voted for Trump in both elections so we can safely say that the electorate at least leans that direction right now.



    Oh and it attached voting rights, too.

    Hard to guess which was the more animating element in the bill but oh well, chalk up another win for the ladies out there.
    It's pretty obvious they knew they would fail that's why they put this vote in an odd date, they were counting on low turnouts to slide this one in. They are lucky we don't live in a real democracy otherwise they would pay for stunts like this with their jobs.

  4. #6784
    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    It does say a lot when people hate Republican policies but still vote Republican in the end. I wonder when it will proverbially come back to bite them in the asses
    I'm once again reminded of an interview I was listening to a year or two ago on NPR on this topic. I'm trying to find the transcript, but polling fairly consistently bears this out and I believe it was majorities and not just pluralities but - Republican/conservative policies and legislation are consistently majority unpopular, Democratic/liberal policies and legislation are consistently majority popular.

    Look at the ACA, for example - https://www.kff.org/interactive/kff-...aRange=twoYear

    It's gone back and forth a bit, but starting around late 2017 it's seen fairly small but stable growth in its majority popularity (slight dip recently, we'll see where that goes). This was a bill that was vilified for years and years before and after its passage. But after folks actually, to paraphrase an oft maligned Nancy Pelosi quote here - saw what was actually in the bill after it was passed, they realized that yeah it was actually a whole bunch of stuff that absolutely helped them and they really liked.

    People will still vote for Republicans because Republicans talk about policies that conservatives theoretically think they like, or may actually like. The problem is they don't really deliver on those policies, at least not as described, or people find out - like with Brexit - that they thought they wanted what they voted for but they really didn't.

  5. #6785
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...rights-effort/



    Yes, people noticed what Republicans were doing with this. Thankfully, their propaganda efforts appear to be wildly unsuccessful here.

    This is another example of Republicans trying to push their extremist positions on this topic and being resoundingly told, "Fuck off." once again. Ohio is a bit more purple than some other states where Republicans have been rebuffed and all, but it still voted for Trump in both elections so we can safely say that the electorate at least leans that direction right now.



    Oh and it attached voting rights, too.

    Hard to guess which was the more animating element in the bill but oh well, chalk up another win for the ladies out there.
    It was not even close. Polls closed 7:30 pm. Decision Desk HQ called it at 8:02. AP at 9:00. It was pretty lopsided.

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    Republicans in Ohio were hoping voters would be stupid enough to vote away their ability to override the legislature. They were wrong.
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  7. #6787
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...rights-effort/



    Yes, people noticed what Republicans were doing with this. Thankfully, their propaganda efforts appear to be wildly unsuccessful here.

    This is another example of Republicans trying to push their extremist positions on this topic and being resoundingly told, "Fuck off." once again. Ohio is a bit more purple than some other states where Republicans have been rebuffed and all, but it still voted for Trump in both elections so we can safely say that the electorate at least leans that direction right now.



    Oh and it attached voting rights, too.

    Hard to guess which was the more animating element in the bill but oh well, chalk up another win for the ladies out there.
    I am from Ohio. One of the few things that is good about Ohio is that our state constitution is determined by the people and not by the legislature, for the most part. Minimum wage being tied to CPI was an amendment that the people wanted and passed. It took the ability away from the legislature to stall raising it like they normally do. Now abortion is up for a vote in November and, from what I have seen and heard, it should pass with a big majority so abortion should be legal in Ohio after that.

    Our republican legislature forgets they work for ALL the people, not just a handful. Sometimes they just need a reminder.

  8. #6788
    Biden spikes the football after Ohio voters kill an effort to stymie abortion rights

    As of 10:30 p.m. EDT, it appears that Issue 1 opponents drove up major margins in the three Cs — the nickname for Ohio's three largest cities, Columbus, Cleveland, and Cincinnati — and the suburban counties that encompass them.

    Take Franklin County, home to Columbus and the Ohio State University: opponents to the issue hold a 50-point advantage with an estimated 95% of the vote in, according to The New York Times. The same lopsided advantage was mirrored in the major campus-based precincts. In comparison, then-Rep. Tim Ryan, a Democrat, held a 32-point advantage in Franklin in 2022 when he went on to lose to now-Sen. JD Vance by just over 6 points statewide.

    The true depth of the coalition was seen across the map. In response, Republicans could only muster that their focus was now on November.


    Well, the gop refuse to learn from the last election. And November is likely to kick them in the ass...again.

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    I'll take a moment to gloat over this in general with what I hope is an apt appropriation of a recent political phrase. Are they tired of winning yet?

  10. #6790
    I find it always surprising that voters really do want to protect their choice in all these state referendums, but vote federally to elect anti-choice candidates they send to Washington to destroy these rights and especially for people in other states.

    Voters don't seem to be single issue on Pr0-choice or just can't connect that their anti-choice candidate will take their right away in Congress.
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  11. #6791
    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    Besides tax cuts, which Republicans love, I'm struggling to find a policy that they've actually passed on the federal level. Their big wins have been in SCOTUS.
    Which is funny because it's tax cuts to the top of the pyramid, but not most of Republicans in the middle-to-lower classes.

    It's still all self-defeating because inevitably the taxes have to come from them rather than the rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Voters don't seem to be single issue on Pr0-choice or just can't connect that their anti-choice candidate will take their right away in Congress.
    Single issue voting is perfectly fine, obligatory even, if said issue is like the broader, fundamental issue on democracy.

    Single issue voting is shameful if it's like something stupid like "drag queens" or "omg CRT bad".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    I find it always surprising that voters really do want to protect their choice in all these state referendums, but vote federally to elect anti-choice candidates they send to Washington to destroy these rights and especially for people in other states.

    Voters don't seem to be single issue on Pr0-choice or just can't connect that their anti-choice candidate will take their right away in Congress.
    Nobody has ever credibly accused Republican voters who aren't in the upper tax brackets of voting for their actual interests.

  13. #6793
    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    It does say a lot when people hate Republican policies but still vote Republican in the end. I wonder when it will proverbially come back to bite them in the asses
    Saw it in my last local election and just serves to remind me that in general, the public doesn't know wtf they're doing.

    The Democratic policies that were created and put on the ballot by the candidates with a "D" next to their name all passed. However it was the candidates with an "R" next to their name that ended up getting elected and then immediately worked on dismantling or rolling back the Democratic policies that were just passed. A lot of folks in the area, but mainly the "R's" that voted for the D policies all wore shocked Pikachu faces....

    Made me think voting should require you to pass a test just like driving, so you don't end up fucking up democracy because you're ignorant. I know it would never happen though.

  14. #6794
    Four more state constitution abortion access amendments will be on the ballot soon.

    Dakotans for Health are gathering signatures for 2024 amendment in South Dakota. They need to gather verified signatures equal to 10% of the turnout in this year Nov 5 gubernatorial election.

    Missourians for Constitutional Freedom is doing the same thing in Missouri. The measure faced multiple lawsuits, and is currently in the middle of another one filed this week. State Attorney General Andrew Bailey, who opposes abortion, argued the cost of reinstating abortion rights is too high from the state’s auditor estimate, and federal funding for programs like Medicaid would be at risk. However, the Missouri Supreme Court ruled against Bailey’s recusal of the state auditor’s funding estimate and said he was not justified in his “refusal to perform the plain, unequivocal, and ministerial duty of approving those summaries,” meaning the ballot effort will continue. Two Republican lawmakers filed a lawsuit this week claiming the audit doesn't accurately show the cost of reinstating abortion. Basically, a big mess. However, if they make it, chances are good that it will pass.

    Floridians Protecting Freedom, backed by Planned Parenthood, launched its campaign in early May, fighting to limit government interference in abortion rights. Organizers say they've collected almost half a million petitions as of August, according to NPR, while 891,523 certified signatures are needed to make the ballot in 2024.

    The Arizona Abortion Access Act was filed on Tuesday. It would legalize abortion and bar penalization for someone who assists a person in getting an abortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    The question that Democrats are asking, now that state level abortion bans are failing, are Republicans stupid enough to try for a Federal ban. That will really galvanized the voters in 2024.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    The question that Democrats are asking, now that state level abortion bans are failing, are Republicans stupid enough to try for a Federal ban. That will really galvanized the voters in 2024.
    Of course they're stupid enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slirith View Post
    Of course they're stupid enough.
    It seems to be the current litmus test for Republican candidates no less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    Well you know how the saying goes. Even a broken cock can right itself once in a while, or something. Maybe the saying is supposed to be about clocks but Anne Coulter isn't a clock, she's a dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    Well you know how the saying goes. Even a broken cock can right itself once in a while, or something. Maybe the saying is supposed to be about clocks but Anne Coulter isn't a clock, she's a dick.
    She's more of a dildo.
    Not enough to be a real dick.
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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