1. #7101
    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    He's a representative of the worst of the American populace. A large dangerously stupid part of the American populace.
    And their vote is worth the same as yours. Possibly more on account of gerrymandering.

  2. #7102
    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    Just seeing the phrase "conception is the consequence of sex" is such misogynistic bullshit.
    What world are you living in?? Isn't that biology?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    There are many good reasons why women are more likely to stay single these days, and incels don't seem to understand the more they hate women the more they push them away.
    well. Many more men are single. Very few women are single according to statistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    I think Democrats finally found their wedge issue in abortion. We saw this over and over again in multiple elections.

    It is likely that at least 8 abortion referendums will be on the ballot in 2024. One in Florida. It needed 891,523 signatures by 12/31/2023. According to Florida Women’s Freedom Coalition they currently already have over 700,000 signatures and hoping to reach 1.5M by December. Their lawyer submitted the ballot language to Florida’s Supreme Court for review on August 31, 2023.

    How do Floridians feel about abortion? According to Florida Atlantic University poll in 2022, 67% of Floridians are of the opinion that abortion should be legal in all or most cases. Overwhelming majority want exceptions for rape, incest and human trafficking.

    When it comes to the current 6-week ban, 75% of Floridians are against the ban according to February 2023 poll from University of North Florida. Including 61% of Republican voters.

    2024 election will be interesting.
    lol. Democrats are useless bro when it is in Biden's term abortion rights are taken away. I can guarantee you the 2024 election won't change anything no matter who gets elected. Abortion rights and women's "freedom" in general will be further restricted.

    The fact is that the entire ruling class in the USA wants abortion to go away. Not just Republicans, but Democrats too.
    If you do think Democrats want to protect your abortion rights, they would assassinate the SCOTUS members immediately just like they assassinated Kennedy.

    They are the same people in Washington.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwdorumdr View Post
    What world are you living in?? Isn't that biology?
    The reality in which people take preventative measures specifically to avoid conception. The reality in which one or both partners might be incapable of reproduction due to infertility etc.

    Like, are you familiar with how much fucking old people at retirement homes do? Because it can be a lot, occasionally you see stories pop up of STD's running rampant through a retirement community. Because everyone's old, some are still horny, and ain't nobody conceiving a child as a consequence of their sex.

    Yes, it's a line that's regularly offered by misogynists and usually only misogynists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wwdorumdr View Post
    What world are you living in?? Isn't that biology?

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    well. Many more men are single. Very few women are single according to statistics.
    Yea but incels do not deserve respect either and actually should be talked to like the filth they are. Who would have thought that trying to prop up people who want to limit their privacy would make them exclude more people who only value power. My partner and i use contraception because neither one of us wants children who then will limit the freedom we currently enjoy.

    Also congrats to the state that protected abortion which to my understanding makes it almost impossible to curb now correct?
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  5. #7105
    Quote Originally Posted by wwdorumdr View Post
    lol. Democrats are useless bro when it is in Biden's term abortion rights are taken away. I can guarantee you the 2024 election won't change anything no matter who gets elected. Abortion rights and women's "freedom" in general will be further restricted.
    Are you aware of why that happened? Because it seems you think that Joe did that. Joe did not, in fact, do that. I don't think you're very informed on this topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by wwdorumdr View Post
    The fact is that the entire ruling class in the USA wants abortion to go away. Not just Republicans, but Democrats too.
    Citation needed*

    Quote Originally Posted by wwdorumdr View Post
    If you do think Democrats want to protect your abortion rights, they would assassinate the abortion ban lawyers just like they killed Kennedy.
    Ok, righto then.

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    They are the same people in Washington.
    Narrator: They were not, but many people of bad faith and ignorance still repeated this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    The reality in which people take preventative measures specifically to avoid conception. The reality in which one or both partners might be incapable of reproduction due to infertility etc.

    Like, are you familiar with how much fucking old people at retirement homes do? Because it can be a lot, occasionally you see stories pop up of STD's running rampant through a retirement community. Because everyone's old, some are still horny, and ain't nobody conceiving a child as a consequence of their sex.

    Yes, it's a line that's regularly offered by misogynists and usually only misogynists.
    No no no. I mean "conception is the consequence of sex" is biology and that is how human race reproduced itself. Unscientific feminist's view on treating everything as socially constructed is totally unscientific and false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wwdorumdr View Post
    What world are you living in?? Isn't that biology?
    Only in the sense that dying from infection is the consequence to getting a cut.

    The reality is that modern medicine provides solutions to these kinds of problems.

    well. Many more men are single. Very few women are single according to statistics.
    Just really not the case, and an example of poor statistics combined with failure to grasp social differences. https://ifstudies.org/blog/theres-no...g-young-adults


  8. #7108
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Are you aware of why that happened? Because it seems you think that Joe did that. Joe did not, in fact, do that. I don't think you're very informed on this topic.



    Citation needed*
    Then tell me why abortion was taken away under the Biden administration, not under trump.

    Narrator: They were not, but many people of bad faith and ignorance still repeated this.
    It is not false. It is very real. That is called historical materialism. It is not a faith. What you are saying is that without Hilter there won't be a WW2.

    The fact is that the material base for abortion keeps getting attacked for many years to the point they went away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Only in the sense that dying from infection is the consequence to getting a cut.
    Still. Conception is the consequence of sex and that is how human being as an animal reproduce itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wwdorumdr View Post
    No no no. I mean "conception is the consequence of sex" is biology and that is how human race reproduced itself. Unscientific feminist's view on treating everything as socially constructed is totally unscientific and false.
    Biology doesn't have any concept of "consequences". Conception is just one possible biological result of sex. That's not the same thing. And it's not an unchangeable result, especially with modern medicine. This is so wildly not an argument against basic abortion rights; you're just engaging in open misogyny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wwdorumdr View Post
    Then tell me why abortion was taken away under the Biden administration, not under trump.
    Under State jurisdictions, not Federal. The President doesn't control the State governments, nor does he control the SCOTUS.

    Still. Conception is the consequence of sex and that is how human being as an animal reproduce itself.
    Still misusing "consequence". It's an intentionally loaded term. It's just a result, and results can be freely changed with modern medicine/technology.


  10. #7110
    Quote Originally Posted by wwdorumdr View Post
    Then tell me why abortion was taken away under the Biden administration, not under trump.
    i can't believe i'm doing this, but here we go...

    abortion wasn't "taken away" under biden.
    the federal law that prevented states from outlawing abortion was overturned by a supreme court packed with ideologically inclined republican christian judges, who overturned a 45 year old ruling out of nowhere and apropos of nothing, for the sake of pursuing their anti-abortion agenda.

    with the law that prevented states from banning abortion now struck down, some states (and only some) that are full of christofascists can now ban abortion.

    in order to stop those states from doing that, you would need a large and sweeping federal regulation or new law passed... and that would require congress, the senate, and the executive branch to all agree to that and to make and implement such a law.
    hint: congress is currently held by a majority of republicans. as in, congress will NOT pass any such law. which means any such law cannot by passed.

    the president of the US does not currently have dictator powers. biden can't declare "fuck you, abortion is legal everywhere", that's not how the government in the US works.

    Still. Conception is the consequence of sex and that is how human being as an animal reproduce itself.
    ya, and humans have had means by which to prevent a pregnancy from gestating for literally thousands of years, so what?

    here are two things that never, ever happen in the animal world:
    1. a broken leg bone heals
    2. abortions

    these are two biological medical functions wholly unique to homo sapiens.
    so what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wwdorumdr View Post
    Then tell me why abortion was taken away under the Biden administration, not under trump.



    It is not false. It is very real. That is called historical materialism. It is not a faith. What you are saying is that without Hilter there won't be a WW2.

    The fact is that the material base for abortion keeps getting attacked for many years to the point they went away.

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    Still. Conception is the consequence of sex and that is how human being as an animal reproduce itself.
    The court was packed by the previous administration leading to this and that means Republicans support abortion since Ohio i am sure nuance is rough but it is still a thing. You are supportive of abortion since it gives more rights to people instead of taking them away right? Also conception is something to easily avoid we have avoided it for almost 14 years now from various use of condoms, birth control and worst case scenario events because we both want to do what we want to do without any real hinderances. Be happy for freedom.

  12. #7112
    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...e/71529703007/

    Ohioans: We'd like to enshrine bodily autonomy and a right to abortion in our Constitution.

    Ohio Republicans: LIKE FUCK YOU WILL IF WE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT

    Several Republican lawmakers plan to fight the recently approved abortion rights amendment by trying to overthrow the judicial branch's authority to interpret it.

    Ohio voters approved protections for abortion and other reproductive rights, 57-43%, Tuesday. Abortion rights advocates will soon head to court to repeal restrictions and bans on the procedure.

    But four GOP lawmakers had another idea.

    "To prevent mischief by pro-abortion courts with Issue 1, Ohio legislators will consider removing jurisdiction from the judiciary over this ambiguous ballot initiative," according to a Thursday night news release with quotes from four GOP House representatives. "The Ohio legislature alone will consider what, if any, modifications to make to existing laws based on public hearings and input from legal experts on both sides."
    And Republicans wonder why they keep losing on this issue as they continue to take extremist positions in direct opposition to the will of the voters.

    The news release from Reps. Jennifer Gross, R-West Chester; Bill Dean, R-Xenia; Melanie Miller, R-Miller; and Beth Lear, R-Galena and was titled: "DECEPTIVE OHIO ISSUE 1 MISLED THE PUBLIC BUT DOESN'T REPEAL OUR LAWS." Ohio Value Voters, an anti-abortion organization, shared the same quotes in a Friday news release.

    “We will withdraw jurisdiction from the courts so that they cannot misapply Issue 1 for the benefit of the abortion industry,” Gross said in the Ohio Value Voters' release.
    Ohio Republicans are now pretty explicitly attacking the concept of separation of powers, which is a pretty key foundation of our system of government. This is fairly explicitly authoritarian shit.

    "The Supreme Court of Ohio is the final arbiter of constitutional issues. Period," said Pfeifer, a former justice and Republican lawmaker. "There’s no getting around that, so legislation that attempts to circumvent the constitution eventually isn’t going to go anywhere.
    At least some Republicans seem to understand how our government operates and have at least a modicum of respect for it.

    Just another reminder of how Republicans are constantly doubling down on losing issues, wasting time on pointless virtue signaling to their extremist base instead of legislating and getting anything done for the people they represent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...e/71529703007/

    Ohioans: We'd like to enshrine bodily autonomy and a right to abortion in our Constitution.

    Ohio Republicans: LIKE FUCK YOU WILL IF WE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT



    And Republicans wonder why they keep losing on this issue as they continue to take extremist positions in direct opposition to the will of the voters.



    Ohio Republicans are now pretty explicitly attacking the concept of separation of powers, which is a pretty key foundation of our system of government. This is fairly explicitly authoritarian shit.



    At least some Republicans seem to understand how our government operates and have at least a modicum of respect for it.

    Just another reminder of how Republicans are constantly doubling down on losing issues, wasting time on pointless virtue signaling to their extremist base instead of legislating and getting anything done for the people they represent.
    Simply put, voting for GOP candidates = abortion bans.

  14. #7114
    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    Simply put, voting for GOP candidates = abortion bans.
    Gonna be interesting seeing what breaks first - Republicans placating their extremist base and getting their asses kicked up and down the court, or Republican voters tired of their parties extremism and losses simply abandoning them. Either outcome is good in general, I just hope we get one of them instead of decades more of Republicans doubling down on their extremist minority base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Gonna be interesting seeing what breaks first - Republicans placating their extremist base and getting their asses kicked up and down the court, or Republican voters tired of their parties extremism and losses simply abandoning them. Either outcome is good in general, I just hope we get one of them instead of decades more of Republicans doubling down on their extremist minority base.
    Cultists don't break.
    "god is on our side, who is on theirs?" legitimizes anything.
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    Cultists don't break.
    "god is on our side, who is on theirs?" legitimizes anything.
    Yup. Voters are catching on to that. All that talks about reasonable gestation period are nothing more than talks. The ultimate goal is total abortion ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wwdorumdr View Post
    Then tell me why abortion was taken away under the Biden administration, not under trump.
    It takes an exceptional level of bad faith posting to even try to paint the current anti-abortion movement as from the Democratic Party.

    I hope you stay banned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwdorumdr View Post
    Then tell me why abortion was taken away under the Biden administration, not under trump.
    Ah you're one of THOSE people who believes the president controls literally everything and doesn't understand how our government works. Civics is important, kid. Try to learn some.

    Anyw'may, anyone notice how Ohio and other states overwhelmingly voted for abortion rights to be reinstated or protected and Republicans just ignored the outcome of the vote and went "Nah, time to ignore the outcomes of elections and go full fascist because we want abortions to be illegal".
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  19. #7119
    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    I hope you stay banned.
    Considering the person didn't even get infracted I'm fairly sure it was a perma-ban for ban-evading!

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    Some numbers from the recent Ohio Issue 1 election.

    Voters that identify as liberals made up 34% of the vote. Higher turnout than the August election.

    GOP voters turnout was lower than August election. Apparently, they did not think that the issue is worth their time?

    One in three that did show up to vote, voted yes. Considering this is a Trump state, that's pretty high.

    One in four voters that identify as Evangelical Christian voted yes. On a Christian podcast, the speaker called them "abominable".

    One in ten voters that identify as MAGA voted yes.

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    Now that Democrats have control of both houses of legislature in Virginia, they could initiate a constitutional amendment to protect the right to abortion similar to Ohio.

    • The Virginia State Legislature can propose amendments through legislatively referred constitutional amendments as established in Section 1 of Article XII.
    • These can be proposed in either house of the Virginia General Assembly.
    • If a proposed amendment is approved by a simple majority vote in one session of the state legislature, it is automatically referred to the next session of the state legislature that occurs after the next general election of members of the Virginia House of Delegates.
    • If, in that second session, the proposed amendment is "agreed to by a majority of all the members elected to each house," it is then placed before the state's voters.
    • It can go on a special or general election ballot.
    • If approved by a simple majority vote, it becomes part of the state's constitution.

    It appears that as many as 12 states could have abortion initiatives on the ballots in 2024. If 2023 is of any indicator, those will drive turnouts.
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