SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Rasulis]

Glasses and contacts lenses go against nature. Artificial hair color goes against nature. Clothing goes against nature.

These people are dangerous extremists who haven't actually spent a second critically thinking in their lives, apparently.

The scary part is that "they were elected to office." There is always going to be the "village idiots." However, sane people don't put them in positions of power.

[Captain N]

The scary part is that "they were elected to office." There is always going to be the "village idiots." However, sane people don't put them in positions of power.

Then there are an awful lot of lunatics running around polling stations casting votes.

[Endus]

Glasses and contacts lenses go against nature. Artificial hair color goes against nature. Clothing goes against nature.

These people are dangerous extremists who haven't actually spent a second critically thinking in their lives, apparently.

Curing diseases goes against nature.

Would they be comfortable with their children being denied treatment for measles or the like? "Just let nature take its course"?

These people are liars and grifters. None of them believe the shit they're spewing. It's all an intentionally dishonest cover for their misogyny and sadism. Every single last pro-lifer. Yes, even that one you just thought of. Being pro-life is like being a white supremacist; I don't care how much you think it's justified, you're admitting to being a bad person. And yes; I think it's exactly that clear-cut.

[Nymrohd]

Curing diseases goes against nature.

Would they be comfortable with their children being denied treatment for measles or the like? "Just let nature take its course"?

These people are liars and grifters. None of them believe the shit they're spewing. It's all an intentionally dishonest cover for their misogyny and sadism. Every single last pro-lifer. Yes, even that one you just thought of. Being pro-life is like being a white supremacist; I don't care how much you think it's justified, you're admitting to being a bad person. And yes; I think it's exactly that clear-cut.

Also Guns are against nature.

[Lenonis]

Missouri Republicans propose legislation to allow women who receive abortions to be charged with murder

I've frequently asked the "abortion is murder" crowd how many years in prison a woman should get for a miscarriage.

I've never once gotten an answer other than an offended "how dare you" - which...I mean if abortion is murder than logically miscarraiges are manslaughter.

I'm starting to wonder if I'll actually get an answer from state governments. Because it's only a small jump to get to this extreme from where they are pushing.

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Republican Lawmaker Rants About Contraception Going Against Nature

Does he wear contacts? Wear glasses? Take antibiotics? Vitamins?

How these people can't see the hypocrisy is beyond me.

[Edge-]

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-...4186f4d1e6e8bd

A pregnant Texas woman who sought court permission for an abortion in an unprecedented challenge to one of the most restrictive bans in the U.S. has left the state to obtain the procedure, her attorneys said Monday.

The announcement came as Kate Cox, 31, was awaiting a ruling from the Texas Supreme Court over whether she could legally obtain an abortion under narrow exceptions to the state’s ban. A judge gave Cox permission last week but that decision was put on hold by the state’s all-Republican high court.

“Her health is on the line. She’s been in and out of the emergency room and she couldn’t wait any longer,” said Nancy Northup, president and CEO of the Center for Reproductive Rights, which was representing Cox.

The organization did not disclose where Cox went.

So much freedom that apparently pregnant women need to flee the state to receive the care they actually need because the state of Texas will not allow them to receive it or doctors to provide it within the borders of the state.

Note that where she traveled to was kept secret.

Doctors have told Cox that her fetus is at a high risk for a condition known as trisomy 18, which has a very high likelihood of miscarriage or stillbirth, and low survival rates, according to the lawsuit.

They also told Cox that inducing labor or carrying the baby to term could jeopardize her ability to have another child in the future.

Reminder: That the "pro-life/woman/baby" Republicans, if this woman didn't have the means to travel out of state, would literally be putting this woman's health and her ability to ever have children again.

[The Stormbringer]

People just need to start fleeing that fucking state, or any other state that's this prohibitive with abortion. I know, it absolutely sucks, uprooting your whole life, finding another job elsewhere, leaving behind family and friends, but staying is just going to cause horrible amounts of stress, trauma, and expense. How much of their OWN MONEY do you think they had to spend to go to court about this? Not to mention all the emergency room visits. Sigh.

[Gigantique]

Also Guns are against nature.

To be fair I wouldn't be surprised if some american guns have escaped into the wilds and procreated at this point.

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People just need to start fleeing that fucking state, or any other state that's this prohibitive with abortion. I know, it absolutely sucks, uprooting your whole life, finding another job elsewhere, leaving behind family and friends, but staying is just going to cause horrible amounts of stress, trauma, and expense. How much of their OWN MONEY do you think they had to spend to go to court about this? Not to mention all the emergency room visits. Sigh.

Double dip too because your own damn taxpayer money go into having this blowhard AG be paid to take you to court for this nonsense

[Poopymonster]

To be fair I wouldn't be surprised if some american guns have escaped into the wilds and procreated at this point.

I'm sure in the backwater regions of Kentucky, swamps of Florida, and rural Texas, there are vast and intricate mating rituals between a man and the firearm they fancy.
I'm sure there are woman too, but no lady seems to want to crank out a clip of hollow points much less a gun from her vagoo.

[Rasulis]

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-...4186f4d1e6e8bd



So much freedom that apparently pregnant women need to flee the state to receive the care they actually need because the state of Texas will not allow them to receive it or doctors to provide it within the borders of the state.

Note that where she traveled to was kept secret.



Reminder: That the "pro-life/woman/baby" Republicans, if this woman didn't have the means to travel out of state, would literally be putting this woman's health and her ability to ever have children again.

She is lucky that she has the means. Majority of women in Texas do not have the financial means to quickly leave the state. Since it is in a different state, likely the cost of the procedure is not covered by her insurance.

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People just need to start fleeing that fucking state, or any other state that's this prohibitive with abortion. I know, it absolutely sucks, uprooting your whole life, finding another job elsewhere, leaving behind family and friends, but staying is just going to cause horrible amounts of stress, trauma, and expense. How much of their OWN MONEY do you think they had to spend to go to court about this? Not to mention all the emergency room visits. Sigh.

I think the legal cost was covered by the Center of Reproductive Rights & ACLU. The Center of Reproductive Rights want to set a precedent if they win, and if they lose, the state of Texas looks like the Grinch that stole Christmas. In fact, they intend to continue litigating this case before the Texas Supreme Court.

[The Stormbringer]

I think the legal cost was covered by the Center of Reproductive Rights & ACLU. The Center of Reproductive Rights want to set a precedent if they win, and if they lose, the state of Texas looks like the Grinch that stole Christmas. In fact, they intend to continue litigating this case before the Texas Supreme Court.

That's good to hear, and thank you for the info. I wish them all the best in continuing this fight.

[Rasulis]

That's good to hear, and thank you for the info. I wish them all the best in continuing this fight.

The lawsuit is a big deal. Texas' law calls for “reasonable medical judgment” and permits abortion if the patient could die or if they’re at “serious risk of substantial impairment of a major bodily function.” Health care providers argue this language is too vague and dangerous for pregnant people and providers. Lawmakers' response was that the providers exaggerate the issue.

You would think that Mrs. Cox's pregnancy would fit perfectly into the exemption. Yet, the state of Texas fought the exemption all the way to the state's Supreme Court. Giving credence to the health care providers argument that the exemption language is too thin and vague. Likely designed to be that way on purpose.

[Myradin]

The lawsuit is a big deal. Texas' law calls for “reasonable medical judgment” and permits abortion if the patient could die or if they’re at “serious risk of substantial impairment of a major bodily function.” Health care providers argue this language is too vague and dangerous for pregnant people and providers. Lawmakers' response was that the providers exaggerate the issue.

You would think that Mrs. Cox's pregnancy would fit perfectly into the exemption. Yet, the state of Texas fought the exemption all the way to the state's Supreme Court. Giving credence to the health care providers argument that the exemption language is too thin and vague. Likely designed to be that way on purpose.

Pretty much just there so they can point and say they're decent human beings for providing an exemption.

But also vague enough that they can fight them all anyway.

[Poopymonster]

The lawsuit is a big deal. Texas' law calls for “reasonable medical judgment” and permits abortion if the patient could die or if they’re at “serious risk of substantial impairment of a major bodily function.” Health care providers argue this language is too vague and dangerous for pregnant people and providers. Lawmakers' response was that the providers exaggerate the issue.

You would think that Mrs. Cox's pregnancy would fit perfectly into the exemption. Yet, the state of Texas fought the exemption all the way to the state's Supreme Court. Giving credence to the health care providers argument that the exemption language is too thin and vague. Likely designed to be that way on purpose.

"The language was too vague"
Use your judgement.
"I did, and you fuckers sued me."
Use better judgement.
"Like what?"
Not performing the abortion.

[Lenonis]

I know, it absolutely sucks

For some it's also not feasible. I know you didn't intend it in this way but just a reminder not everyone has the means to move or have extenuating circumstances that don't make this a viable solution.

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So much freedom that apparently pregnant women need to flee the state to receive the care they actually need because the state of Texas will not allow them to receive it or doctors to provide it within the borders of the state.

One of the many unfortunate consequences of this is if she gets the abortion before the state supreme court makes a ruling they may dismiss the case as moot which will leave the legal question unanswered - which leaves the door open to make future women miserable as they try to receive healthcare, which I have no doubt Republicans will love.

[Edge-]

One of the many unfortunate consequences of this is if she gets the abortion before the state supreme court makes a ruling they may dismiss the case as moot which will leave the legal question unanswered - which leaves the door open to make future women miserable as they try to receive healthcare, which I have no doubt Republicans will love.

I doubt that matters. The fast actions of the Texas Supreme Court are clear enough, IMO.

Becoming pregnant and carrying that pregnancy to term in southern/red states has always been a riskier endeavor compared to other states, and TX Republicans are sure seeking to run the score up as if the number of women who have suffered or died due to avoidable complications in pregnancies is the kind of thing you want to have high numbers on.

[Myradin]

I doubt that matters. The fast actions of the Texas Supreme Court are clear enough, IMO

Its kind of sad how republicans are accusing all the various states sueing trump that they should be "dealing with their own violent crime" and other issues isntead of going after the orange man.

But apparently making sure this woman carries this dead baby to term is more important than dealing with crime in the 11th most dangerous state to be in.

[Lenonis]

I doubt that matters.

Except it does....doesn't it? I'm no legal expert but this was basically the state trying to set the bar for what a medical exception to the abortion ban should be. Without a ruling from the top court it remains unresolved.

I don't know that we can assume what the top court would have ruled - the stay could have been "well this can't exactly be undone so let's rule first" rather than "we're definitely going to uphold the state's right to play doctor here".

Maybe @cubby has insight from a legal perspective?

[Edge-]

Except it does....doesn't it? I'm no legal expert but this was basically the state trying to set the bar for what a medical exception to the abortion ban should be. Without a ruling from the top court it remains unresolved.

I don't know that we can assume what the top court would have ruled - the stay could have been "well this can't exactly be undone so let's rule first" rather than "we're definitely going to uphold the state's right to play doctor here".

Maybe @cubby has insight from a legal perspective?

Not really: This was a case about this specific situation for this individual and it's very unlikely it would have had broader ramifications based on my read. Especially given that the Supreme Court sided with the state here initially and would have likely continued to side with them.

In terms of precedent, likely for this narrow case, there may have been some established. But again, it'd probably be super narrow and not really useful outside her specific situation. But ultimately in terms of what it tells girls and women in the state, the initial ruling does all of that talking.

[cubby]

One of the many unfortunate consequences of this is if she gets the abortion before the state supreme court makes a ruling they may dismiss the case as moot which will leave the legal question unanswered - which leaves the door open to make future women miserable as they try to receive healthcare, which I have no doubt Republicans will love.

I doubt that matters. The fast actions of the Texas Supreme Court are clear enough, IMO.

Except it does....doesn't it? I'm no legal expert but this was basically the state trying to set the bar for what a medical exception to the abortion ban should be. Without a ruling from the top court it remains unresolved.

I don't know that we can assume what the top court would have ruled - the stay could have been "well this can't exactly be undone so let's rule first" rather than "we're definitely going to uphold the state's right to play doctor here".

Maybe @cubby has insight from a legal perspective?

It just might, unfortunately. Court cases at all levels rely on something called "Standing", the legal term for having a stake in the outcome. The courts have consistently ruled that someone needs Standing in order to bring suit (there are, of course, exceptions). The reason behind Standing is to prevent people from "testing" legal rules willy nilly. So it doesn't clog the court, create bad law, create unnecessary law, etc.

Because the woman in question is leaving to get an abortion in another state, the GOP could successfully argue that they have no standing in the case any more, and therefore it becomes unnecessary to rule. It would be unfortunate if the Court decided to deny cert based on standing, as it would be a drum that the GOP could beat on continually, using delays to force the interested parties to seek abortions out of state in a timely medical need.

We shall see how the court handles it. Don't get your hopes up. This court has not been favorable to women's rights, one Justice was literally a Handmaid, and another doesn't believe women have a right to tampons.