SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Mekh]

Another horror story.



I Miscarried in Texas. My Doctors Put Abortion Law First



So much unnecessary sufferings.

And as usual: @tehdang come and explain yourself, you despicable, little worm. Move your sex offender pfp in here and explain to us why it excites you so very much to see women suffer.

[DarkTZeratul]

And as usual: @tehdang come and explain yourself, you despicable, little worm. Move your sex offender pfp in here and explain to us why it excites you so very much to see women suffer.

Presumably he's going to say that the doctors totally could have done it and not gotten in trouble, forgetting that recently he defended the AG pledging to bring the full force of the law down on someone whose doctors actually got legal permission to do it.

[Captain N]

Presumably he's going to say that the doctors totally could have done it and not gotten in trouble, forgetting that recently he defended the AG pledging to bring the full force of the law down on someone whose doctors actually got legal permission to do it.

I don't think he even believes half the shit he posts. He's here for the reactions and the mods let him run with it. I mean letting him run with a sex offender as a profile picture without retaliation while others get signature infractions is fairly telling.

[Slirith]

I don't think he even believes half the shit he posts. He's here for the reactions and the mods let him run with it. I mean letting him run with a sex offender as a profile picture without retaliation while others get signature infractions is fairly telling.

It's this why I think it's a mods alt account.

[tehdang]

come and explain yourself, you despicable, little worm. Move your sex offender pfp in here

I don't think he even believes half the shit he posts. He's here for the reactions and the mods let him run with it. I mean letting him run with a sex offender as a profile picture

It's this why I think it's a mods alt account.

This subject is already cancerous to discuss, but I took a break when a massive amount of people transmuted the subject to a personal-attack and ad-hominem discussion. Insulting someone is the fast track way to show you aren't interested in hearing and discussing his or her opinion.

"You're a fucking asshole mod-alt that doesn't even believe what you write" seldom pairs well with "By the way, what do you think about this?" There might be some other person that actually enjoys the abuse or is just frighteningly passionate in writing about abortion policy on the internet, but that person aint me.

[Rasulis]

The idiocy is not confined to Texas.

The molar pregnancy Jaci Statton had would never become a baby. It was cancerous, though.

At the last hospital in Oklahoma she went to during her ordeal last month, Statton says staff told her and her husband that she could not get a surgical abortion until she became much sicker.

"They were very sincere; they weren't trying to be mean," Statton, 25, says. "They said, 'The best we can tell you to do is sit in the parking lot, and if anything else happens, we will be ready to help you. But we cannot touch you unless you are crashing in front of us or your blood pressure goes so high that you are fixing to have a heart attack.'"

Definition of Molar pregnancy.

[Edge-]

The idiocy is not confined to Texas.


Definition of Molar pregnancy.

The cruelty continues to appear to be the point as Republicans continue to watch the consequences of their policy largely be, "Women are left to suffer needlessly." and the response from state-level Republican in these states is to completely and totally ignore the issue or double down on even more draconian restrictions.

[Mekh]

This subject is already cancerous to discuss, but I took a break when a massive amount of people transmuted the subject to a personal-attack and ad-hominem discussion. Insulting someone is the fast track way to show you aren't interested in hearing and discussing his or her opinion.

"You're a fucking asshole mod-alt that doesn't even believe what you write" seldom pairs well with "By the way, what do you think about this?" There might be some other person that actually enjoys the abuse or is just frighteningly passionate in writing about abortion policy on the internet, but that person aint me.

The cancer is you refusing to take responsibility for the disgusting policies you keep defending. You can walk away from this thread, you can't wash your hands of it. All you're doing is putting your cowardice on display now.

[Orange Joe]

Can you quote a scientific paper that details when a fetus becomes a person?

This subject is already cancerous to discuss, but I took a break when a massive amount of people transmuted the subject to a personal-attack and ad-hominem discussion. Insulting someone is the fast track way to show you aren't interested in hearing and discussing his or her opinion.

"You're a fucking asshole mod-alt that doesn't even believe what you write" seldom pairs well with "By the way, what do you think about this?" There might be some other person that actually enjoys the abuse or is just frighteningly passionate in writing about abortion policy on the internet, but that person aint me.

since you are posting in here again. Care to answer this?

[Rasulis]

since you are posting in here again. Care to answer this?

When a woman in the midst of active miscarriage and a fetus with no heartbeat couldn't get a D&R, there is no point in discussing viability.

[Dontrike]

This subject is already cancerous to discuss, but I took a break when a massive amount of people transmuted the subject to a personal-attack and ad-hominem discussion. Insulting someone is the fast track way to show you aren't interested in hearing and discussing his or her opinion.

"You're a fucking asshole mod-alt that doesn't even believe what you write" seldom pairs well with "By the way, what do you think about this?" There might be some other person that actually enjoys the abuse or is just frighteningly passionate in writing about abortion policy on the internet, but that person aint me.

"People called me names when I constantly support abuse against women and children." And how do you think you could stop that? Perhaps become a better person and realize what you support is garbage?

[Cthulhu 2020]

This subject is already cancerous to discuss, but I took a break when a massive amount of people transmuted the subject to a personal-attack and ad-hominem discussion. Insulting someone is the fast track way to show you aren't interested in hearing and discussing his or her opinion.

"You're a fucking asshole mod-alt that doesn't even believe what you write" seldom pairs well with "By the way, what do you think about this?" There might be some other person that actually enjoys the abuse or is just frighteningly passionate in writing about abortion policy on the internet, but that person aint me.

You've made it abundantly clear that you have zero tolerance for abortion of any type and seem to enjoy people suffering when continuing to carry a pregnancy would kill them. But sure, I'm sure you're "pro life".

[Edge-]

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/01...-of-the-union/

Political invitations to the SOTU are beginning. Joe Biden is inviting Kate Cox, whose story occupied quite a few pages in this thread. That means that access to reproductive health care and bodily autonomy are going to be topics for the SOTU, which makes a lot of sense given the state of the topic in politics right now. It also sets up the Republican's to need to address that topic in the response to the SOTU. I wonder if they'll put Sarah Huckabee Sanders up again to double down on the culture wars and wax poetic about the parties national ambitions for abortion bans and bans on contraceptives!

[Edge-]

https://www.9news.com/article/news/l...a-56f710f82e53

Republican State Rep. Richard Holtorf, a candidate for Colorado’s 4th Congressional District, disclosed Friday that he financed an abortion for one of two girlfriends he impregnated, saying it helped her “live her best life.”

Holtorf, who represents the Eastern Plains, made the comment while discussing a resolution by Democrats marking the landmark Roe v. Wade decision that established the right to an abortion.

“I respected her rights and actually gave her money to help her through her important, critical time so she could live her best life,” Holtorf said.

Holtorf was a sponsor of a failed 2020 measure to ban abortion in Colorado after 22 weeks. In 2022, Holtorf made headlines when he dropped his handgun in the state Capitol while rushing to the floor to cast a vote against abortion rights.

Holtorf did not appear to recognize the disconnect between his statement lauding the benefits of abortion access for his pregnant girlfriend and his staunch opposition to abortion rights, which led him to call abortion rights supporters “godless heathens” last year.

He went on to tell House colleagues Friday that he “had another beautiful woman” and got her pregnant, as well. That woman, Holtorf said, chose not to have an abortion but rather give up the child for adoption, a choice he praised.

“I have so much lived experience, you have no idea,” Holtorf said.

Holtorf later issued a series of statements walking back and ultimately disavowing his words on the House floor.

Holtorf initially declined to tell 9NEWS when and where he paid for his girlfriend’s abortion.

“You will have to come see me here to discuss this is a personal matter and a personal life story,” Holtorf said via text message.

Gosh there's so much to unpack here.

1. "Every abortion is immoral except mine." - just explicitly stating that on his part. Absolutely no self awareness from an anti-abortion crusader.

2. "I'm pro-choice but only when it impacts me" - Similar to the above, fuck everyone else as long as I got mine!

3. For a guy banging on about morality and who appears to reference the Bible and all he sure seems to engage in a lot of unmarried sex, and unprotected as well.

Honestly, him outing that he has a kid with another woman he isn't married to because he got so buttmat he shut off his brain might be the funniest part.

At its core, the loudest voices on this topic continue to be the most hypocritical voices on this topic. Strange, innit?

[Surfd]

anyone else reading that article come across the part where he says "he had another beautiful woman" and just find that overall turn of phrase incredibly off putting? Like, hey, lets just talk about the women I banged like they're disposable commodities or something.

[Edge-]

anyone else reading that article come across the part where he says "he had another beautiful woman" and just find that overall turn of phrase incredibly off putting? Like, hey, lets just talk about the women I banged like they're disposable commodities or something.

Bro, are you even a man? Men are required to brag about how many hot bitches we sack, bro. That's how you earn your man-card and make sure other men know you're masculine and virile - which is really important that you let other men know your penis works.

Yeah, Republicans are weird. I guess he's trying to pay the woman a complement but I'm unsure what her looks have to do with anything.

I mean dude is basically admitting he's a deadbeat dad that didn't want to raise his own kid lol. Zero self awareness. And we're supposed to be lectured by this fuckin goof on the topic.

[Edge-]

https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-legis...contraception/

A freshman Senator has filed a bill that would charge Oklahoma women who get an abortion with murder.

Senate Bill 1729, also known as the Abolition of Abortion Act, follows the “image of God.”

“It’s very simple. It seeks to take the exception for prenatal homicide, which is abortion, out of the homicide code and make it give equal protection under the law to all lives from the moment of conception to natural death,” stated Senator Dusty Deevers, R-Elgin.

The proposal states an abortion can only be justified if it’s to save the mother’s or unborn child’s life. The other exception is a spontaneous miscarriage.

Reasons that don’t fall under that umbrella, like rape and incest, would punish the mother.

The bill would charge her with murder.

“We want people to get the care they need. But when we create these very limited and dangerous bills, with these limited exceptions, we know that has a true impact on just health care in general and pregnancy outcomes,” stated the American Civil Liberties Union of Oklahoma Executive Director and Chair for the Oklahoma Call for Reproductive Rights, Tamaya Cox-Toure.

While Sen. Deevers argues abortion doesn’t fall under health care, Representative Mickey Dollens, D-OKC, said, “If life and death isn’t a health care issue, then what is? When we have doctors who are telling patients to go into the parking lot and wait until you bleed more so we can confidently say that you’re close enough to death to save your life – is that not a health care issue?”

Oklahoma State Attorney General Gentner Drummond released an opinion late last year, stating there were no current laws that criminalize abortion for mothers.

“Why do you want to do that now?” asked News 4’s Capitol Bureau Chief, Kaylee Olivas.

“I don’t want to do that,” responded Sen. Deevers.

“But that’s what it seems like in the bill,” said Olivas.

“That’s the wrong framing. The right framing is equal protection under the law,” stated Sen. Deevers. “If you kill a person, then you’re a murderer and you deserve to have due process… like any other murderer.”

The bill does include an exception to charges. If a woman is coerced into an abortion, Sen. Deevers said the state would not pursue charges.

“She’s not done anything that was murderous. She’s not had the intent to with malice aforethought to kill her child. We’ve added those protections in there to make that clear,” he said.

Sen. Deevers said another protection added into the proposal would cover physicians.

“A doctor who has no malice aforethought, who is under the Hippocratic Oath, is seeking to treat both lives equally and to try to do no harm to both,” stated Sen. Deevers. “He’s not an intentional murderer, nor is he murdering. If that life of the baby perishes under his care, then that’s part of the triage situation. Not only would he not be a murderer, nor would the mother or anyone else who was treating an emergency pregnancy.”

Reminder that yes, many Republicans still very much want to outlaw all abortion care and punish women for seeking that part of reproductive health care.

And in which they argue for fetal personhood once more, without bothering to think of the long, long, long list of consequences that would have throughout the rest of our code of laws.

[Endus]

https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-legis...contraception/



Reminder that yes, many Republicans still very much want to outlaw all abortion care and punish women for seeking that part of reproductive health care.

And in which they argue for fetal personhood once more, without bothering to think of the long, long, long list of consequences that would have throughout the rest of our code of laws.

That list of consequences just proves even they don't actually believe a fetus is a person. It's not about the fetus. The pro-life movement never has been. It's always been about punishing non-Christian-extremist women for their sexual freedom. That's it. That's the whole movement. Just misogyny and religious abuse.

[Darththeo]

If pro-"life" people were in reality pro-life, then we would have:
1) mandatory paid parental leave. Not just maternity, but paternity as well.
2) improved social safety nets that people who need assistance to raise their kids can get it.
3) improved sex education.
4) making it far easier to get contraceptive

And yet, the majority of pro-lifers are also all opposed to the above. It is almost like they don't care about the the things that have been proven to reduce abortions.

[prwraith]

https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-legis...contraception/

“It’s very simple. It seeks to take the exception for prenatal homicide, which is abortion, out of the homicide code and make it give equal protection under the law to all lives from the moment of conception to natural death,” stated Senator Dusty Deevers, R-Elgin.

Show me the record that whomever the homicide was committed against ever existed as a living being.

This was the irresponsible part of the supreme court (aside from invading womens right to privacy). And granted the supreme court can't legislate but there should be no legislation on where life begins and is recognized as a being. This is a decision for doctors to come to consensus on. If a consensus cannot be reached then they can confer with lawmakers but the fact that we as a society can't even come to agreement on whether it's a fetus, an unborn child, a child yet to be born, or a person is silly.