SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Surfd]

But Eigel isn’t alone in his condemnation of the bill. Another Republican, Missouri State Senator Sandy Crawford, claimed the incest and rape provision shouldn’t pass because “God is perfect.”

“God does not make mistakes. And for some reason he allows that to happen, bad things happen,” Crawford said. “I’m not gonna be able to support the amendments because I am very pro-life.” .

You know, I don't really consider myself a horribly vindictive person, but people like these? People like these make my blood seethe.

People like these deserve to be locked in a cage filled with the most deranged, vile rapists the prison system can find, and told that since "god is perfect and does not make mistakes" then whatever happens to them in that cage is gods will, so they better be ready to deal with it.

[Endus]

So no, Senator Eigel has no clue how pregnancy works or how the human body operates. A 1 year old is not capable of being impregnated. They can absolutely be raped by monsters, but like...come the fuck on.

It's religious extremism run amok. It's as literally insane and abusive as female genital mutilation practices. This man would rather a magically pregnant 1 year old be ripped apart and killed by a pregnancy than be entitled to an abortion. That's monstrous. The man is a monster. This is just evil.

Just another very explicit reminder that the extremist position remains the central Republican position on this topic, and Republicans are absolute fucking lunatics.

"God doesn't make mistakes" is such an egregiously callous position.

You're telling me your God likes that there are worms that will nest in and devour children's eyeballs? That kids dying of cancer is not a "mistake"? If so, your god's an evil psychopath, and not deserving of worship, even if He existed, which, y'know, nah. Worshipping the children-crushing machine doesn't make it a less inherently evil concept, and arguing that crushing orphans is good, actually just means you're an evil sonofabitch. Like, Hitler wannabe levels of "evil".

And before anyone claims I'm being hyperbolic, I'm fuckin' not. This is one of the biggest lessons we learned in the aftermath of the Nazi Reich; the banality of evil. Evil is not twirling your moustache as you plot to steal 40 cakes. Evil is convincing yourself and others that intentional harm and victimization of innocents is good or necessary. Or just going with the flow as people whose word you abide by lead you down such a path.

[Flarelaine]

You're telling me your God likes that there are worms that will nest in and devour children's eyeballs? That kids dying of cancer is not a "mistake"? If so, your god's an evil psychopath, and not deserving of worship, even if He existed, which, y'know, nah. Worshipping the children-crushing machine doesn't make it a less inherently evil concept, and arguing that crushing orphans is good, actually just means you're an evil sonofabitch. Like, Hitler wannabe levels of "evil".

Please observe longstanding forum rules and steer away from discussing religion itself.

[Benggaul]

Please observe longstanding forum rules and steer away from discussing religion itself.

I think exceptions need to be made when it's in response to legislation based on imaginary friends.

[PosPosPos]

Please observe longstanding forum rules and steer away from discussing religion itself.

You do realize the point here is legislation based on religious extremism has no other purpose than to do evil for the express sake of human suffering, and not the discussion of religion per se, right?

[Flarelaine]

Discussing legislation around religion and shitty people invoking religion are fine. Discussing faiths and tenets is not.

[Edge-]

https://www.news-journalonline.com/s...a/72620169007/

As the Florida Supreme Court debates putting abortion on the ballot, the Florida Senate is on the way to passing a bill that critics say would establish "fetal personhood" in civil liability cases.

The Senate bill, which would give parents the ability to sue for damages for the wrongful death of an unborn child, defines “unborn child” as “a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.”

The sponsor of the bill – Sen. Erin Grall, R-Fort Pierce – argued it created “parity,” as the definition for “unborn child” is also used in Florida law for criminal penalties.

But Democrats and critics of the bill say it is a roundabout way of creating fetal personhood. The terms refers to the belief that a fetus should be recognized as a legal and moral person with rights, often including the right to life, from the moment of conception.

“If you’re going to create personhood, then be obvious and say ‘this is what we are doing in Florida,' ” said Sen. Lori Berman, D-Boynton Beach.

Grall, who’s been behind many anti-abortion measures during her tenure in the Legislature, was at the forefront of last year’s "Heartbeat Protection Bill," which banned abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. That law currently is on hold pending a related legal challenge.

“Civil Liability for the Wrongful Death of an Unborn Child” (SB 476) would let a parent of an unborn child recover damages for “pain and suffering” from a person who is responsible for the unborn child’s death. Currently, Florida law only states “minor child.”

An earlier amendment added to the bill states the mother of the child cannot be sued for the wrongful death of her child.

Planned Parenthood, the National Organization for Women and Equality Florida all spoke against the bill and warned of a chilling effect on doctors and abortion providers who would be afraid of being sued for providing health care.

Republicans once again flirting with the concept of fetal personhood - just without saying so explicitly - while being completely and totally oblivious to the legal ramifications that passing such legislation would have.

One of these days one of the states is going to be dumb enough to pass it and they're going to have to deal with the long consequences of probing just how expansive the consequences that they didn't think about actually might be.

[Gestopft]

Honestly, seems like Missouri has some pro-rape Republicans. I don't have any desire to get into religious discussion, but any thought that any rape is "intended" to happen or "good" is monstrous and nobody holding those views should be in public office or in any position of authority.

Just another very explicit reminder that the extremist position remains the central Republican position on this topic, and Republicans are absolute fucking lunatics.

Reminder for Democrats to not let Republicans get away with the "except for rape and incest" BS. For starters, they don't believe it, and for second it only confers political benefits onto them without any tangible policy benefit. I mean- how long does it take for a woman to prove in a court of law that she has been raped, and how many exceptions could it actually provide if there is a legal standard of proof? Hint: not many.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Discussing legislation around religion and shitty people invoking religion are fine. Discussing faiths and tenets is not.

Personally, I am of the belief that if they are allowed to say "My religion says that it's better a child die carrying her rapists baby to term than for said child to have an abortion"...that's the right and proper time to tell them to shove their fucking religion up their fucking ass.

[Endus]

Reminder for Democrats to not let Republicans get away with the "except for rape and incest" BS. For starters, they don't believe it, and for second it only confers political benefits onto them without any tangible policy benefit. I mean- how long does it take for a woman to prove in a court of law that she has been raped, and how many exceptions could it actually provide if there is a legal standard of proof? Hint: not many.

Let's remember; if they're arguing that the fetus is a person, but allow exceptions for rape and incest with regards to abortion, one of two things are true;

1> They don't actually believe a fetus is a person, never have, and don't give a shit about the fetus, this is all about harming innocent women, but punishing rape and incest victims is a step too far for them. This is not something they should be lauded for.

2> They don't think children born as a result of rape or incest are people. They think you can find out that a colleague was born due to his mother being raped, and now he's 35, and you can just murder him for fun because he's not actually a person and his life doesn't matter.

And I don't think #2 is a real option, but it's the only other legitimate explanation.

[Edge-]

https://www.fox23.com/news/new-abort...cd643a12c.html

The Oklahoma House Public Health Committee passed a bill Wednesday that its own author said needs major work before it is brought to a vote before the full House chamber.

House Bill 3216, also known at the Oklahoma Right To Human Life Act, would overhaul how the state handles the few legal abortions it allows, creates a database within the Oklahoma State Department of Health that would track which women have abortions and how many they've had, would require doctors to submit written justification of an abortion under oath, moves some contraceptives currently available over the counter to needing physician approval, and restricts certain uses of intrauterine devices (IUDs).

Uh...yeah all of this sounds awful, especially the expansion of BIG GOVERNMENT with abortion databases. I don't think anyone trusts Republicans with this.

Last summer, the Oklahoma State Supreme Court ruled that the Oklahoma State Constitution gives the right to a woman to have an abortion to save her life in an emergency situation, but it left open when and how that emergency situation would be declared. West's bill defines what would qualify as an emergency situation and how a doctor would legally be able to go about it, but it also dives into multiple other issues surrounding pregnancy and abortion.

The bill is broken up into multiple sections:

Defining an emergency
Defining that life begins at conception
Requiring a doctor to submit the name of the patient who received an abortion, but that name would then be assigned a number for privacy reasons to be listed in a database maintained by the Oklahoma State Department of Health. That database could be used to see how many abortions a certain patient has received and when possibly over the course of her life. Only under a court order could those full medical records be released.
Within 30-days, a doctor would be required to submit a written justification under oath of why the abortion was performed and his or her rationale for declaring the emergency. False information would lead to a suspension of their medical license for one year.
There would be new restrictions placed on intrauterine devices (IUDs), especially ones used for contraceptive purposes.
Some contraceptive medications like Plan B and The Morning After Pill would have their over the counter status revoked, and it would only be made available if prescribed by a doctor first.

As we've long discussed: Legislators trying to come up with explicit, curated lists of what is an "emergency" and what isn't is a bad idea. They are largely not doctors, may completely ignore medical advice, and every medical situation is different.

"That section of the bill's intent is to specifically target the over the counter items that are not always safe for everybody," West said about moving certain contraceptives to prescription status instead of keeping them over the counter.

Both Republicans and Democrats on the committee, including the women who sit on the committee, all voiced concerns about various parts of the bill despite in the end allowing it to move forward after a vote that fell along party lines.

Unsurprising stuff.

"I believe there is an opportunity for tracking women. I believe there is a major privacy issue that we should be concerned about not just women but men too," said State Representative Trish Ranson (D-Stillwater).

"You do know that IUDs are used for other conditions outside of preventing pregnancy right?" asked State Rep. Cynthia Roe (R-Lindsay) who is also a registered nurse.

This is why having medical professionals involved, and also women, is really fucking important. Because Republican men have made it consistently clear that they view the "miracle of childbirth" as an actual miracle and do not understand the biological processes involved in the slightest.

West said his bill was written in partnership with the conservative legal defense fund Alliance Defending Freedom, and he said after hearing committee members concerns on multiple sections, major changes to the bill would need to be made. He said he was open to addressing both Democratic and Republican concerns before the bill reaches the full House chamber next month.

Written by*

Republicans keep passing off blame for bad legislation and bad policies on conservative groups they choose to work with. The "Alliance Defending Freedom" is behind a whole host of bad policy pushes including -

- Pushing religion (and very specific religion) in public school
- Christian-only adoptions
- Opposition to LGBTQ+ rights and protections
- Opposition to just about all health guidance and restrictions during covid, even going to Uganda to fight restrictions on large gatherings.

They're defending freedom I guess, but for a very small group of people to oppress others.

[Endus]

Written by*

Republicans keep passing off blame for bad legislation and bad policies on conservative groups they choose to work with. The "Alliance Defending Freedom" is behind a whole host of bad policy pushes including -

- Pushing religion (and very specific religion) in public school
- Christian-only adoptions
- Opposition to LGBTQ+ rights and protections
- Opposition to just about all health guidance and restrictions during covid, even going to Uganda to fight restrictions on large gatherings.

They're defending freedom I guess, but for a very small group of people to oppress others.

Let's be clear; the Alliance Defending Freedom is an openly recognized hate group;

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...ending-freedom

They may as well be turning to the KKK or Neo-Nazi biker gangs to write their policies. The ADF are deranged, malicious bigots. As is anyone who supports or works with them.

[Sunseeker]

They feel they've got a pretty strong grasp on abortion law, so time to move on to contraception. Next will be divorce, then jobs, and they wont stop till we look like Saudi Arabia.

[Edge-]

They feel they've got a pretty strong grasp on abortion law, so time to move on to contraception. Next will be divorce, then jobs, and they wont stop till we look like Saudi Arabia.

There's already been a pretty strong push in the "manosphere" by conservative dudes who are big mad that their wives can just like...divorce them whenever they choose to stop putting up with their abusive, manipulative, childish bullshit. Like that Crowder loser.

[Xyonai]

Like that Crowder loser.

As an aside, it's been kinda nice that he sort of just fucked off and vanished from the internet after the footage of him nagging at his pregnant (now ex) wife became public. It's nice having one less obnoxious dipshit around mucking things up and I hope nothing but the worse for him.

[Edge-]

As an aside, it's been kinda nice that he sort of just fucked off and vanished from the internet after the footage of him nagging at his pregnant (now ex) wife became public. It's nice having one less obnoxious dipshit around mucking things up and I hope nothing but the worse for him.

Has he? I haven't checked in on him since that hilarious video of him crying his pregnant wife wouldn't go pick up his wood chips for him.

I do hope she's doing better and that he's in shambles. Couldn't happen to a worse, more racist, sexist, bigoted, gross, awful person.

[Xyonai]

Has he? I haven't checked in on him since that hilarious video of him crying his pregnant wife wouldn't go pick up his wood chips for him.

I do hope she's doing better and that he's in shambles. Couldn't happen to a worse, more racist, sexist, bigoted, gross, awful person.

Well the fact I haven't seen people dunking on his shitty takes since that whole saga says to me he's either laying low or he's gotten so boring he's not worth making fun of anymore.

I'm sure his grifter network cut off his funbucks when the abuse allegations became more than what they were willing to put up with.

[Sunseeker]

There's already been a pretty strong push in the "manosphere" by conservative dudes who are big mad that their wives can just like...divorce them whenever they choose to stop putting up with their abusive, manipulative, childish bullshit. Like that Crowder loser.

I don't know who that is, but yeah basically.

[Kathranis]

They feel they've got a pretty strong grasp on abortion law, so time to move on to contraception. Next will be divorce, then jobs, and they wont stop till we look like Saudi Arabia.

Yep. First ban abortion, then ban ways to prevent pregnancy. Then make it legal for children to start working in factories at age 14 or whatever instead of attending school.

Well on their way already in a lot of those areas.

Makes you wonder if their motive is really the health and safety of young lives or if they actually just want to control reproduction of women to create a generation of uneducated laborers...

[Sunseeker]

Yep. First ban abortion, then ban ways to prevent pregnancy. Then make it legal for children to start working in factories at age 14 or whatever instead of attending school.

Well on their way already in a lot of those areas.

Makes you wonder if their motive is really the health and safety of young lives or if they actually just want to control reproduction of women to create a generation of uneducated laborers...

Which is a weird end goal since uneducated labor really isnt useful for much?