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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunseeker View Post
    Which is a weird end goal since uneducated labor really isnt useful for much?
    In this context, "uneducated" means "can do basic math for giving people change for their $20, but not understanding the basic civics or political philosophy to understand that they're effectively enslaved in a dystopian capitalist hellscape".

    It's why you see schools in the US particularly emphasizing rote STEM bullshit while eliminating arts programming and any concept of critical thinking or challenging authority.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    It's why you see schools in the US particularly emphasizing rote STEM bullshit while eliminating arts programming and any concept of critical thinking or challenging authority.
    Basic STEM would be better than what we have. The major standardized tests that we are graded on (and our funding is connected too) focus on ELA and Math. Before I went full time, I subbed for a suburban district in my area. Elementary kids gets 30 minutes a day of Science OR History/Geography. The vast majority of their day is ELA and Math. They don't start getting fair time in other subjects until Middle School, and even then, ELA and Math are pushed more because, you guess it, test scores.
    Fuck No Child Left Behind and all similar legislation. It's hamstrings us so hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    In this context, "uneducated" means "can do basic math for giving people change for their $20, but not understanding the basic civics or political philosophy to understand that they're effectively enslaved in a dystopian capitalist hellscape".

    It's why you see schools in the US particularly emphasizing rote STEM bullshit while eliminating arts programming and any concept of critical thinking or challenging authority.
    Even basic stem would set people up better than what appears to be the current direction of Conservatives these days. Frankly, a POS machine does most of the calculations for you, you just need to be able to read basic english to tell the customer what the number it outputs is. Most of them don't even have dollar addative amounts, they have pre-set "extras" and it just calculates a total for you.

    Further, there's no real drive among corporations to have MORE uneducated labor, it's functionally cheaper to replace humans with self-ordering kiosks. Humans will simply work in the areas with no other human contact, and even that is going away.

    So AGAIN, an emphasis on cheap, poor, child-based labor is weird. The modern world doesn't rely on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunseeker View Post
    So AGAIN, an emphasis on cheap, poor, child-based labor is weird. The modern world doesn't rely on it.
    Imagine talking about the modern world when were discussing the American Right...... a group of people who are straight up trying to force the country back into the 1920's.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfd View Post
    Imagine talking about the modern world when were discussing the American Right...... a group of people who are straight up trying to force the country back into the 1920's.......
    I mean honestly, this isn't even the 1920's they're looking at, it'd be the 1850s. Children working in factories, children picking crops, children making textiles. It's just inefficient. I'm sure they don't understand that we didn't move away from it because it is functionally better to employ machines an technicians, but instead because of BIG GOVERNMENT and REGULATION. The idea that we need to "get the kids working" is a very industrial-revolution mindset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunseeker View Post
    Even basic stem would set people up better than what appears to be the current direction of Conservatives these days. Frankly, a POS machine does most of the calculations for you, you just need to be able to read basic english to tell the customer what the number it outputs is. Most of them don't even have dollar addative amounts, they have pre-set "extras" and it just calculates a total for you.

    Further, there's no real drive among corporations to have MORE uneducated labor, it's functionally cheaper to replace humans with self-ordering kiosks. Humans will simply work in the areas with no other human contact, and even that is going away.

    So AGAIN, an emphasis on cheap, poor, child-based labor is weird. The modern world doesn't rely on it.
    It's very weird, but it's very explicable. You probably read it in 9th grade:

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    It is deliberate policy to keep even the favoured groups somewhere near the brink of hardship, because a general state of scarcity increases the importance of small privileges and thus magnifies the distinction between one group and another. By the standards of the early twentieth century, even a member of the Inner Party lives an austere, laborious kind of life. Nevertheless, the few luxuries that he does enjoy - his large, well-appointed flat, the better texture of his clothes, the better quality of his food and drink and tobacco, his two or three servants, his private motor-car or helicopter - set him in a different world from a member of the Outer Party, and the members of the Outer Party have a similar advantage in comparison with the submerged masses whom we call 'the proles'. The social atmosphere is that of a besieged city, where the possession of a lump of horseflesh makes the difference between wealth and poverty. And at the same time the consciousness of being at war, and therefore in danger, makes the handing-over of all power to a small caste seem the natural, unavoidable condition of survival.
    Keeping people poor and ignorant isn't a matter of profit as much as it is of maintaining power. And I would argue that most capitalists are ultimately more concerned with power than with wealth; they will readily engage in irrational practices that end up costing them money simply to keep their grip, as we see with constant union-busting despite the known fact that unionized workers are happier and more productive.
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    Almost 2 years since Roe v Wade was overturned yet the world didn't implode upon itself. Gasp.

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    Almost 2 years since Roe v Wade was overturned yet the world didn't implode upon itself. Gasp.
    Tell me you aren't reading a thread without telling me you aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRose92 View Post
    Almost 2 years since Roe v Wade was overturned yet the world didn't implode upon itself. Gasp.
    Gasp, the world didn't implode either back when humans still lived in caves, didn't know what was fire and what was safe to eat or drink either.

    Let's all go back to that time since according to you anything that doesn't "implode" the world must be a good time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRose92 View Post
    Almost 2 years since Roe v Wade was overturned yet the world didn't implode upon itself. Gasp.
    The world wouldn't.

    A lot of red States are trying to pass laws, or are successfully passing laws, that dehumanize women and treat them as brood mares rather than actual people, though.

    If you're denying that, you're not a serious person.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    The world wouldn't.

    A lot of red States are trying to pass laws, or are successfully passing laws, that dehumanize women and treat them as brood mares rather than actual people, though.

    If you're denying that, you're not a serious person.
    He's not denying it, he's cheering it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynarii View Post
    He's not denying it, he's cheering it.
    Probably. I like to hear them say it out loud, though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    A lot of red States are trying to pass laws, or are successfully passing laws, that dehumanize women and treat them as b̶r̶o̶o̶d̶ m̶a̶r̶e̶s̶ property rather than actual people, though.
    A bit of a quibble, but they want women to be property of the male head of house again. The brood mare aspect is just part of that goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karreck View Post
    A bit of a quibble, but they want women to be property of the male head of house again. The brood mare aspect is just part of that goal.
    Is the want of having women being property of the male head of house in correlation with the fact that we see folks like Joe Rogan try to appeal to the incel crowd, that blame women for not finding them attractive? Or is it trying to appeal to people like #SV who just revel in the suffering of others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    Is the want of having women being property of the male head of house in correlation with the fact that we see folks like Joe Rogan try to appeal to the incel crowd, that blame women for not finding them attractive? Or is it trying to appeal to people like #SV who just revel in the suffering of others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunseeker View Post
    Which is a weird end goal since uneducated labor really isnt useful for much?
    Fascism has always very much been a 'vibes' based system of Government. Doing shit because they -feel- like that's how its done, ignoring logic that tells them otherwise because if it's not how they'd do things, then it's not worth doing.

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    Alabama Rules That Frozen Embryos Are 'Children'
    In a theology-heavy ruling, the Alabama Supreme Court will allow a couple to sue for the "wrongful death" of their frozen embryos obtained through IVF.
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alaba...mpaign=us_main

    So the ruling was about a hospital destroying the eggs. Yeah, this court went full religion and ruled a sweeping ruling that all fertilized IVF eggs are children .

    Sorry I wish pro Choice would fight more against the extreme religious extremism but they let that pass.

    Well this should be used as a campaign advertisement in the suburbs. Well to do suburban couples understanding their frozen eggs are a target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alaba...mpaign=us_main

    So the ruling was about a hospital destroying the eggs. Yeah, this court when full religion and ruled a sweeping ruling that all fertilized IVF eggs are children .

    Sorry I wish pro Choice would fight more against the extreme religious extremism but they let that pass.

    Well this should be used as a campaign advertisement in the suburbs. Well to do suburban couples understanding their frozen eggs are a target.
    The thing is that the hospital should absolutely be on the hook for the death of those embryos. Just not with this stupid reasoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Sorry I wish pro Choice would fight more against the extreme religious extremism but they let that pass.
    The fuck do you expect them to do when this horseshit is literally written into the state's constitution and is being defended by the state's Supreme Court?

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