SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[diller]

They not only don't possess the moral high ground

What is this nonsense, morals are a construct you say it like it's some kind of objective thing when in reality it a religious idea.

[The Stormbringer]

The thing is that the hospital should absolutely be on the hook for the death of those embryos. Just not with this stupid reasoning.

Agreed. It would more be in the sense of, "Hey, this important biological material we needed for this procedure was destroyed on your watch, and we (or our insurance) paid a lot of money for this. You need to give us our money back and do the procedure over." not... whatever the fuck this is. You gonna charge the technician who fucked up with murder now, Alabama?

[Endus]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alaba...mpaign=us_main

So the ruling was about a hospital destroying the eggs. Yeah, this court when full religion and ruled a sweeping ruling that all fertilized IVF eggs are children .

Sorry I wish pro Choice would fight more against the extreme religious extremism but they let that pass.

Well this should be used as a campaign advertisement in the suburbs. Well to do suburban couples understanding their frozen eggs are a target.

This is begging or a First Amendment lawsuit against the State. Using religious grounds to establish policy is a direct assault on any and all citizens who don't share those religious views, threatening them with the violence of law enforcement if they don't comply with these narrow and extremist religious rules.

It's no different than State-mandated female genital mutilation or Taliban-style denial of education to girls. It's literally the same malice and abuse.

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The thing is that the hospital should absolutely be on the hook for the death of those embryos. Just not with this stupid reasoning.

If it's a case of suing for destruction of property, fine, presuming the couple had a contractual agreement that the hospital would maintain the embryos (I assume they must have).

But treating them as human lives? Can they claim the frozen embryos as dependents and write off the cost of keeping them frozen on their taxes? If they wait 10 years and implant one, can that child buy alcohol at age 11? It's absolutely fuckin' batshit insane, and it shouldn't be tolerated. It's religious extremism and an inherently violent attack on all Alabamans who don't believe the same religious tenets.

[Paranoid Android]

This is begging or a First Amendment lawsuit against the State. Using religious grounds to establish policy is a direct assault on any and all citizens who don't share those religious views, threatening them with the violence of law enforcement if they don't comply with these narrow and extremist religious rules.

It's no different than State-mandated female genital mutilation or Taliban-style denial of education to girls. It's literally the same malice and abuse.

Thank you.

Maybe for some I was not clear in my original post but no doubt this should be a Frist Amendment case against religious freedom. We can easily play the game if a certain religion or belief stated that every woman must abort their first born or girls because...

To clarify for some. The Pro-Choice movement does never chooses to engage at least seriously in this.

Oh yeah. To clean up my other post (I'm deleting). That this is clearly a civil case and nothing more.

[Flarelaine]

Agreed. It would more be in the sense of, "Hey, this important biological material we needed for this procedure was destroyed on your watch, and we (or our insurance) paid a lot of money for this. You need to give us our money back and do the procedure over." not... whatever the fuck this is. You gonna charge the technician who fucked up with murder now, Alabama?

The HuffPost article linked mentions a patient messing around in the freezer. Absolutely should never happen.

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If it's a case of suing for destruction of property, fine, presuming the couple had a contractual agreement that the hospital would maintain the embryos (I assume they must have).

But treating them as human lives? Can they claim the frozen embryos as dependents and write off the cost of keeping them frozen on their taxes? If they wait 10 years and implant one, can that child buy alcohol at age 11? It's absolutely fuckin' batshit insane, and it shouldn't be tolerated. It's religious extremism and an inherently violent attack on all Alabamans who don't believe the same religious tenets.

I'd probably allow a hefty claim for emotional damages. After all, all the hopes of a couple (maybe several) hinged on those embryos so they were more than property to them. But still not persons. The legal system is able to process it in existing ways, no need to bring religion into it.

[Twdft]

Yeah, this court when full religion and ruled a sweeping ruling that all fertilized IVF eggs are children .

Dear IRS. I have about 104 dependents, please see the attached tax forms.

[Lenonis]

Almost 2 years since Roe v Wade was overturned yet the world didn't implode upon itself. Gasp.

The world also didn't implode when Obama was in office. Or when Biden beat Trump in 2020.

Sure didn't stop people like you from losing their minds.

The difference is the overturning of Roe v Wade is having actual consequences for actual women with actual issues with their healthcare.

Which you would know if you spend 0.00001% of the effort on being informed that you do on trolling random forums.

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So the ruling was about a hospital destroying the eggs. Yeah, this court went full religion and ruled a sweeping ruling that all fertilized IVF eggs are children .

The GOP is going to have a real rough time explaining to their base why their draconian stance has led to no medical centers being willing to do IVF anymore.

Have a fertility problem? Too bad. Go adopt.

Going to not go over well with the whole "procreation is god's gift" crowd.

[Jastall]

The GOP is going to have a real rough time explaining to their base why their draconian stance has led to no medical centers being willing to do IVF anymore.

Have a fertility problem? Too bad. Go adopt.

Going to not go over well with the whole "procreation is god's gift" crowd.

Those are the people who think the best way to help the average hard-working middle-class American not living in those dang liberal coastal elite cities is to elect a New York-based billionaire who is a proud crook and cheat claiming to be above the law. Who think the best way to combat unwanted pregnancies as a policy is for teens and young adults to practice wilful abstinence. Who claim life is sacred and all children must be given a chance but definitely don't want their tax dollars to fund more social programs to help those children.

The contradiction is small potatoes compared to all those they deal with on the regular.

[Karreck]

Found this enormously amusing; 'Last Week Tonight’: John Oliver Returns To HBO & Offers To Pay Clarence Thomas $1M A Year To “Get The F*** Off The Supreme Court”

I love it when John Oliver's dumb shit succeeds. The erotic rat art, the Puteketeke, the sewage treatment plant, the beach dolls, it's just delightful to watch.

[Flarelaine]

I love it when John Oliver's dumb shit succeeds. The erotic rat art, the Puteketeke, the sewage treatment plant, the beach dolls, it's just delightful to watch.

Don't forget getting sued by Bob for telling him to eat shit.

[Karreck]

Don't forget getting sued by Bob for telling him to eat shit.

The musical number is still one of my go to videos for a quick dopamine release.

[Draco-Onis]

Alabama’s supreme court ruled embryos are ‘extrauterine children’. IVF patients are worried

The implications of this are huge, it may lead to IVF clinics fleeing red states for fear they would be charged with murder for measures that would be otherwise considered routine. The ruling was pretty much a religious speech, I mean does this mean you can claim tax credits, child supports and others in red states? for anyone who isn't a religious zealot this is insanity.

[cubby]

Alabama’s supreme court ruled embryos are ‘extrauterine children’. IVF patients are worried

The implications of this are huge, it may lead to IVF clinics fleeing red states for fear they would be charged with murder for measures that would be otherwise considered routine. The ruling was pretty much a religious speech, I mean does this mean you can claim tax credits, child supports and others in red states? for anyone who isn't a religious zealot this is insanity.

We're going to start seeing "mom's" being convicted of involuntary manslaughter for [whatever asinine reason the GOP chooses to destroy women's rights on a day ending in "y"] when their embryo aborts.

The United States is functionally transitioning to a Handmaid Tale State.

Recall also that a current sitting SCOTUS justice is literally a former Handmaid (Amy Coney Barrett) (looking at you tehdang - you still denying that reality? ) and Kavanaugh has been quoted as saying tampons aren't a woman's right.

[D Luniz]

Those are the people who think the best way to help the average hard-working middle-class American not living in those dang liberal coastal elite cities is to elect a New York-based billionaire who is a proud crook and cheat claiming to be above the law. Who think the best way to combat unwanted pregnancies as a policy is for teens and young adults to practice wilful abstinence. Who claim life is sacred and all children must be given a chance but definitely don't want their tax dollars to fund more social programs to help those children.

The contradiction is small potatoes compared to all those they deal with on the regular.

wonder how they are gonna act when their tax dollars go to keep a few hundred thousand embyros viable for...well forever.
Not sure if frozen they can actually *die*

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and if someone doesnt want to keep paying the storage costs, can they just wrap the vials in dry ice and drop them in the nearest "Baby Moses" box?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Almost 2 years since Roe v Wade was overturned yet the world didn't implode upon itself. Gasp.

and before that ~40 years of Roe v Wade and the world didn't implode upon itself.

[Endus]

wonder how they are gonna act when their tax dollars go to keep a few hundred thousand embyros viable for...well forever.
Not sure if frozen they can actually *die*

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and if someone doesnt want to keep paying the storage costs, can they just wrap the vials in dry ice and drop them in the nearest "Baby Moses" box?

Raises an interesting (if colossally fuckin' stupid) question; you can turn off life support without that being "murder". And these embryos can't survive being unfrozen without implantation. So surely you can just turn off the support systems and let them expire naturally, right?

And if not, then surely it's the government's responsibility to keep paying for the upkeep, no?

If we can't stop these misogynist, religious fascist bigot fucks from pulling this malicious shit, we can at least make them financially responsible for their bullshit.

[Edge-]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ies-rcna139819

“Embryos, to me, are babies,” Haley told NBC News in an interview, adding that she used artificial insemination to have her son, a different process than IVF which doesn't present the same complexities around creating embryos in a lab. "When you talk about an embryo, you are talking about, to me, that’s a life. And so I do see where that’s coming from when they talk about that.”

Embryos are babies, not embryos!

Just a reminder that even the "centrist" Republican candidates are fairly extremist on this topic.

Haley has sought to find a rhetorical middle ground on reproductive health policy as a 2024 presidential candidate. She has repeatedly calling for national "consensus" on abortion in debates instead of the bans and restrictions favored by some of her primary opponents.

But any moves that could restrict IVF appear broadly unpopular. In a 2022 Washington Post article, political scientists analyzing a decade-plus of survey data found that only a slim minority of voters who oppose abortion also opposed IVF.

There is no consensus with unpopular, minority, extremist positions.

[Endus]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ies-rcna139819

Embryos are babies, not embryos!

Worse, she's talking about a religious view.

It's fine to have religious views. Believe what you want, as long as you're not harming anyone.

The problem is when you try forcing all non-believers to abide by your religious views, and when you make it law, you're doing so through violence. The police enforce that law. And the police have weapons and are entitled to use force on you. That's "violence".

When you try and shape law to punish all those who have different religious views by attacking them with the police for expressing or acting on those views, you're a violent fascist attacking innocent people's basic human rights.

Just a reminder that even the "centrist" Republican candidates are fairly extremist on this topic.

I've said it before, I'll repeat it again;

Pro-life positions are as monstrous and unacceptable in a modern, free society as forced female genital mutilation advocacy would be. They're equally monstrous attacks on women's basic humanity.

[Sunseeker]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ies-rcna139819



Embryos are babies, not embryos!

Just a reminder that even the "centrist" Republican candidates are fairly extremist on this topic.

There is no consensus with unpopular, minority, extremist positions.

Ah look the wind changed direction and so did Haley. I'm left wondering if being completely devoid of any political stances is better or worse than having absolutely horrid political stances.

[Paranoid Android]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ies-rcna139819

Embryos are babies, not embryos!

Just a reminder that even the "centrist" Republican candidates are fairly extremist on this topic.
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Haley understood that Republicans were getting a little too frothy at the mouth at taking away women's rights. She softened quite a bit, well at least during the primary. As usual she can't help herself. It's in the water for Republicans and when asked of course embryos are babies.

Just wishing that enough people catch onto this. Republicans will take away the choice if in power.