SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Edge-]

An ectopic pregnancy put her life at risk. A Texas hospital refused to treat her.



She should do that.

Texas could clarify the laws and address this problem.

Republicans in the Texas legislature continue to choose not to, and continue to choose to voluntarily allow women to suffer and risk death during potential pregnancy complications.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/hous...ception-2024-2

Most House Republicans have cosponsored a bill declaring that life begins from the moment of conception, a position under increased scrutiny after the Alabama Supreme Court ruled that frozen embryos are "unborn children."

This Congress, 125 House Republicans — including Speaker Mike Johnson — have cosponsored the "Life at Conception Act," which states that the term "human being" includes "all stages of life, including the moment of fertilization, cloning, or other moment at which an individual member of the human species comes into being."

The bill does not include any exception for in vitro fertilization (IVF), a reproductive treatment that allows mothers to fertilize several eggs outside the womb in order to increase the chances of a viable pregnancy.

Meanwhile, over half of House Republicans in DC have signed on to a bill supporting fetal personhood.

Just a reminder that the extremism is very much central to the Republican party nowadays.

[Twdft]

Meanwhile, over half of House Republicans in DC have signed on to a bill supporting fetal personhood.

Just a reminder that the extremism is very much central to the Republican party nowadays.

I sometimes wonder are they so sure the bill won't pass so they don't care how stupid the stuff is they make up... or are they actually that stupid and believe it should pass.

[Edge-]

I sometimes wonder are they so sure the bill won't pass so they don't care how stupid the stuff is they make up... or are they actually that stupid and believe it should pass.

I'm sure there's a mix in there. Some who are honestly dumb enough to think passing it is a good idea or has a chance, but probably plenty who are aware this is just empty virtue signaling for their respective constituents in an election year.

[Poopymonster]

Texas could clarify the laws and address this problem.

Republicans in the Texas legislature continue to choose not to, and continue to choose to voluntarily allow women to suffer and risk death during potential pregnancy complications.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/hous...ception-2024-2



Meanwhile, over half of House Republicans in DC have signed on to a bill supporting fetal personhood.

Just a reminder that the extremism is very much central to the Republican party nowadays.

Well, that's one way to get around lowering the age of consent, make everyone 9 months older.

[Paranoid Android]

I asked Alabama Sen Tommy Tuberville for his response to the AL Supreme Court's ruling that has resulted in clinics there pausing IVF treatments.

TT: We need to have more kids...And I thought this was the right thing to do.

DB: But IVF is used to have more children...

WATCH:


Yes Watch. Vid in link

Yeah this is a stupid mother bleeper. He totally doesn't understand what IVF is.

I'm sure there this goes on for 3 minutes but only 1:46 here. So he stammers and acts more dumb for another almost 1:50.

[DarkTZeratul]

I asked Alabama Sen Tommy Tuberville for his response to the AL Supreme Court's ruling that has resulted in clinics there pausing IVF treatments.

TT: We need to have more kids...And I thought this was the right thing to do.

DB: But IVF is used to have more children...

WATCH:


Yes Watch. Vid in link

Yeah this is a stupid mother bleeper. He totally doesn't understand what IVF is.

I'm sure there this goes on for 3 minutes but only 1:46 here. So he stammers and acts more dumb for another almost 1:50.

And after expounding on the topic for nearly two minutes, the video ends with the following:
"Do you agree with the Supreme Court decision or not?"
"I'd have to look at what they're agreeing to or not agreeing to, I haven't seen it."

[Shadowferal]

That IVF ruling is political gold for Democrats. I fully expect the "purple" spots in most red states to go bright blue in November.

[Mekh]

I asked Alabama Sen Tommy Tuberville for his response to the AL Supreme Court's ruling that has resulted in clinics there pausing IVF treatments.

TT: We need to have more kids...And I thought this was the right thing to do.

DB: But IVF is used to have more children...

WATCH:


Yes Watch. Vid in link

Yeah this is a stupid mother bleeper. He totally doesn't understand what IVF is.

I'm sure there this goes on for 3 minutes but only 1:46 here. So he stammers and acts more dumb for another almost 1:50.

A politician having a retarted opinion on reproductive medicine? Careful, you'll get run over by @tehdang chasing in here to tell you it's the fault of doctors for not explaining it to him.

[Xyonai]

I sometimes wonder are they so sure the bill won't pass so they don't care how stupid the stuff is they make up... or are they actually that stupid and believe it should pass.

It's probably a mix of both, though the split would be more 60/40 Virtue Signalling to actually believing it ratio if this was put forth ten or so years ago. But the crazy window has shifted that the skew is probably more 25/75 and even a chunk of folks who know it's virtue signalling actually believe the merits of the bill.

[Cthulhu 2020]

The unborn are a convenient issue for conservatives where they have to put in very little time, work, or money into and makes them feel good about themselves:

“'The unborn' are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”

[Rasulis]

That IVF ruling is political gold for Democrats. I fully expect the "purple" spots in most red states to go bright blue in November.

Good chance to say "we told you that they weren't going to stop with Roe vs. Wade."

[gondrin]

So, meanwhile in Ohio, a state rep resigned because they decided that they cannot go by the new amendment in the Ohio Constitution.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...7632fcbd&ei=33

Oaths and pledges have been routine for political officials. That's changing in a polarized America

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The resignation letter was short and direct.

“I can no longer be under an oath to uphold the New Constitution of Ohio," wrote Sabrina Warner in her letter announcing she was stepping down from the state's Republican central committee.

It was just days after Ohio voters resoundingly approved an amendment last November to the state constitution ensuring access to abortion and other forms of reproductive health care. For many, the vote was a victory after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a constitutional right to abortion in 2022.

For Warner, a staunch abortion opponent, it meant she could no longer stand by the Ohio Constitution she had proudly sworn an oath to uphold just over a year before.
Throughout modern American history, elected officials have sworn oaths to uphold constitutions and said the Pledge of Allegiance without much controversy. In a handful of cases recently, these routine practices have fallen victim to the same political divisions that have left the country deeply polarized.

Disagreements over abortion rights, gun control and treatment of racial minorities are some of the issues that have caused several political leaders to say they cannot take an oath or recite the pledge.

Some Republicans, including Missouri Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft, a candidate for governor, point to amendments enshrining abortion rights in state constitutions. Ohio's protections passed last fall, and advocates are proposing an initiative for the Missouri ballot this year.

Warner signed off her resignation letter, effective two days after Ohio's vote, with a biblical reference to “the cowardly, the vile, the murderers” and more being “consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.” She did not return messages seeking comment.

In Tennessee this month, Democratic Rep. Justin Jones declined to lead the pledge during a legislative session. He gained national attention after being one of two Black lawmakers whom Republicans briefly expelled from the state House last year after he and two other Democrats participated in a demonstration advocating for gun control from the House floor, outraging GOP members because it violated the chamber's rules.

Tennessee House members are tapped to find a minister to lead a prayer before the start of a session and then to lead the chamber in the pledge to the American flag. Just before he was to do so, Jones submitted a handwritten note to the House clerk that read, “I prefer not to lead the pledge of allegiance.”

His refusal came as he has criticized his Republican colleagues for being racist and focusing on what he said are the wrong issues, such as targeting the LGBTQ+ community rather than addressing gun control nearly a year after six people, including three children, were killed in a school shooting in Nashville.

While another Democratic lawmaker, an Army veteran, led the pledge without commenting on Jones' refusal, Republicans quickly expressed their outrage at Jones' decision. GOP Rep. Jeremy Faison called Jones' refusal to say the Pledge of Allegiance a “disgrace.”

“In my opinion, he should resign. That is an embarrassment to veterans and to people who have come before us," Faison said.

Jones, responding later to the Republican criticism, said he “couldn’t bring myself to join their performative patriotism as they continue to support an insurrectionist for president and undermine liberty and justice for all.”

Jones' stance recalled a similar one in 2001, when then-Tennessee Rep. Henri Brooks said she was chastised by Republican leaders for refusing to join her fellow lawmakers in the pledge. Brooks, who is Black, told media outlets at the time that she hadn’t recited the pledge since being in the third grade and declined to do so because the American flag represented the colonies that enslaved her ancestors.

Earlier this year, former President Donald Trump refused to sign a loyalty oath in Illinois, a pledge that has been in place since the McCarthy era.

The part Trump left unsigned confirms that candidates “do not directly or indirectly teach or advocate the overthrow of the government” of the United States or the state or "any unlawful change in the form of the governments thereof by force or any unlawful means.” Trump, who signed the voluntary oath during his presidential runs in 2016 and 2020, has yet to say why he didn't sign it this time.

He has faced a number of state lawsuits seeking to bar him from the ballot related to his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, an issue that is currently before the U.S. Supreme Court.

His spokesman, Steven Cheung, did not return an email seeking comment but told news outlets in a statement in January: “President Trump will once again take the oath of office on January 20th, 2025, and will swear ‘to faithfully execute the office of president of the United States and will to the best of my ability preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.’”

Unlike with the Pledge of Allegiance, declining to take an oath of office often carries the higher price of being unable to hold an elected position.

In Missouri, Ashcroft drew attention in October when he suggested he might not be able to take the oath of office as governor if voters protect a right to abortion in the state Constitution.

“Any time a statewide official is sworn in, we swear an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States and of the state of Missouri,” he told reporters after an abortion-related court hearing. “If I cannot do that, then I would have to leave my position. I cannot swear an oath and then refuse to do what I’d said I would do.”

The issue also has roiled Republicans in the Missouri Senate. State Sen. Rick Brattin, head of the state’s chapter of the Freedom Caucus, said if voters in November approve a proposed ballot initiative to enshrine abortion rights in the state Constitution, “You would have to swear an oath to protect and to defend the death of the unborn.”

Similar concerns were expressed at the federal level in the landmark Dobbs case, which overturned Roe v. Wade.

The Foundation to Abolish Abortion argued that the high court's decision in the case would play a crucial role in how much people respected the Constitution. “American public officials are oath-bound to follow the Court insofar as the Court follows the Constitution, but not farther,” the group and other abortion opponents wrote in a friend of the court brief.

Chris Redfern said the Republican concerns over adding abortion rights to a state constitution is a marked contrast to how Democrats handled a previous flashpoint. He was elected chair of the Ohio Democratic Party in 2005 after voters inserted a ban on same-sex marriage in the state Constitution. He said he doesn't recall any of the amendment's opponents considering forgoing their oaths or resigning over it.

“In the old days, before the Tea Party and then Trump, there was a seriousness about the Constitution and taking the oath on swearing-in day," said Redfern, a former state lawmaker. "Especially with the polarization that Donald Trump has brought on, I don’t think that there’s a respect for these kinds of instruments. There's certainly no adherence, but I don’t believe that legislators really care all that much. They do know that they have to be sworn in to get paid every couple of weeks.”

[DarkTZeratul]

So, meanwhile in Ohio, a state rep resigned because they decided that they cannot go by the new amendment in the Ohio Constitution.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...7632fcbd&ei=33

I mean, honestly, good on him. That's a perfectly reasonable response.

[s_bushido]

Was it Ohio where a bunch of GOP """politicians""" were made ineligible to run because they refused to do their jobs and actually show up in the first place? Or was that Oregon...

Either way, seems like good riddance to me. "Oh noes, I have to actually represent the will of the people in my job as a representative! The horror!"

As for the Pledge, I wasn't aware there was any stipulation that it was required of anyone. Since like the dude said, it's just performative nonsense from people who don't actually believe a word of it. Well...except for the "under god" part. Which is all they care about.

[DarkTZeratul]

Was it Ohio where a bunch of GOP """politicians""" were made ineligible to run because they refused to do their jobs and actually show up in the first place? Or was that Oregon...

Pretty sure that was Oregon. They do a lot of performative nonsense there.

[Edge-]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...rce=reddit.com

RFK Jr. weighs in on the Alabama IVF ruling. He hasn't read it, ask him about it later after he's read it and he's got no opinion on when life begins.

You know, the chickenshit approach.

[gondrin]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...rce=reddit.com

RFK Jr. weighs in on the Alabama IVF ruling. He hasn't read it, ask him about it later after he's read it and he's got no opinion on when life begins.

You know, the chickenshit approach.

Honestly, while you are right, out of all of the insane people, it is probably the sanest response out of all of them. He is still a crazy nutjob but, as far as this goes, the answer works.

Didn't read it, doesn't have an answer one way or another.

[Edge-]

Honestly, while you are right, out of all of the insane people, it is probably the sanest response out of all of them. He is still a crazy nutjob but, as far as this goes, the answer works.

Didn't read it, doesn't have an answer one way or another.

If this was the day of the ruling I'd be on board with that. But homeslice has had like a week to read about a ruling that's gained national attention and become a pretty hot-button topic that everyone is weighing in on, and failing to spend a few minutes catching up to prepare for painfully predictable questions is laziness informed by cowardice.

[Lynarii]

If this was the day of the ruling I'd be on board with that. But homeslice has had like a week to read about a ruling that's gained national attention and become a pretty hot-button topic that everyone is weighing in on, and failing to spend a few minutes catching up to prepare for painfully predictable questions is laziness informed by cowardice.

Yeah. It's literally the job of politicians to be aware of things like that, and he should have staff bringing it to his attention. The only reason he wouldn't know is if he actively avoided learning about it so he wouldn't have to give an opinion. That's weaponized ignorance, and should be called out as such.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Conservatives going after IVF isn't going to play out as well as they're hoping it will. Going against abortion is already massively hurting them, but going after IVF is going to destroy them. While conservatives can play off of the guilt that other conservatives have about getting abortions (Because let's be real, most of them do get abortions when their breeding kink turns into actual pregnancies they don't want - or when their mistresses get pregnant), going after the thing that is responsible and at the center of many happy families is going to backfire on them spectacularly.