SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Lenonis]

Conservatives going after IVF

I really don't think (for most) this was intended. I really do think that this is one of those unintended, unforeseen consequences of their extremism. The amount of backpedaling and damage control they are trying to do is a sign that this was not what they intended.

Of course anyone with half a brain cell could see that getting to extreme definitions of when life begins opens up a WHOLE host of legal problems and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

[s_bushido]

I really don't think (for most) this was intended. I really do think that this is one of those unintended, unforeseen consequences of their extremism. The amount of backpedaling and damage control they are trying to do is a sign that this was not what they intended.

Of course anyone with half a brain cell could see that getting to extreme definitions of when life begins opens up a WHOLE host of legal problems and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

It may not have been intended to play out this way, but I'm pretty sure there is some not-insignificant % of the religious right that would be perfectly happy seeing stuff like IVF abolished. Similar to their opposition to stem cell research.

[Endus]

I really don't think (for most) this was intended. I really do think that this is one of those unintended, unforeseen consequences of their extremism. The amount of backpedaling and damage control they are trying to do is a sign that this was not what they intended.

Of course anyone with half a brain cell could see that getting to extreme definitions of when life begins opens up a WHOLE host of legal problems and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

It's like taking the highway exit that says "30 miles to Albuquerque" and then feigning surprise that 30 miles down the road, oh my god, how'd we get to Albuquerque?!"

Anyone who claims it wasn't the intentional destination is either openly lying to your face or so colossally stupid they probably need a court-mandated minder so they don't hurt themselves on a daily basis.

[Rasulis]

I really don't think (for most) this was intended. I really do think that this is one of those unintended, unforeseen consequences of their extremism. The amount of backpedaling and damage control they are trying to do is a sign that this was not what they intended.

Of course anyone with half a brain cell could see that getting to extreme definitions of when life begins opens up a WHOLE host of legal problems and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Losing obstetricians, especially high-risk pregnancy obstetricians, will also hit them hard in a few years. Giving birth in many southern states is already a dangerous endeavor. In a few more years, it will be the equivalent of playing Russian Roulette.

[Poopymonster]

Losing obstetricians, especially high-risk pregnancy obstetricians, will also hit them hard in a few years. Giving birth in many southern states is already a dangerous endeavor. In a few more years, it will be the equivalent of playing Russian Roulette.

The Real People will be able to travel to a different state for proper medical care, in a "hurting the right people" kinda of way.

[Paranoid Android]

New: Senate conservatives are likely to block a request to unanimously pass Sen. Duckworth's bill tomorrow, which would protect IVF at the federal level

Some Senate Rs saying Dobbs made IVF a states-rights issue

https://twitter.com/UrsulaPerano/sta..._CsRUY18w&s=19

See @Edge. This is active legislation that forces your opponent to publicly take a position.

First Republicans are not going to bring it to a vote, no surprise here. They then proclaim it's a state's rights issue. Sure, so now people will know IVF and others procedures are on the table.

[Rasulis]

https://twitter.com/UrsulaPerano/sta..._CsRUY18w&s=19

See @Edge. This is active legislation that forces your opponent to publicly take a position.

First Republicans are not going to bring it to a vote, no surprise here. They then proclaim it's a state's rights issue. Sure, so now people will know IVF and others procedures are on the table.

If they wouldn't sign a bill establishing the right to contraception, they are not going to sign a bill establishing protection for IVF.

Yes. All the procedures are on the table.

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The Real People will be able to travel to a different state for proper medical care, in a "hurting the right people" kinda of way.

Even for those with the financial wherewithal, having to travel out of state for medical treatment during pregnancy will be a hassle. Then there is the matter of medical emergencies where minutes can mean the difference between life and death.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Americans largely support <issue>

Republicans go after and make <issue> illegal in many states across the country

Democrats pen bill to make <issue> legal nationally

Republicans block bill from becoming a law

Democrats urge voters to vote blue so they can properly enact <issue>

Alt-left, socialists, a few alt right trolls and fence sitting centrists "THE DEMOCRATS NEVER DO ANYTHING FOR ME, WHY SHOULD I VOTE FOR THEM? THEY HAVE TO EARN MY VOTE! BOTH PARTIES ARE THE SAAAAAAAAAAAAME"

*Rapid wanking motion*

[Captain N]

The fact that we're at the point where folks who want and can afford to have children now can't because of Alabama but the poor people who can't afford children are being forced to have them is pretty much telling me the United States, namely one of its political parties, is a failed experiment.

[Flarelaine]

https://twitter.com/UrsulaPerano/sta..._CsRUY18w&s=19

See @Edge. This is active legislation that forces your opponent to publicly take a position.

First Republicans are not going to bring it to a vote, no surprise here. They then proclaim it's a state's rights issue. Sure, so now people will know IVF and others procedures are on the table.

Tammy Duckworth has more balls than the Senate GOP caucus. And snark to spare! I love her ever since her "Cadet Bone Spurs" comment.

Seriously, I'm all for President Duckworth.

[Katchii]

The fact that we're at the point where folks who want and can afford to have children now can't because of Alabama but the poor people who can't afford children are being forced to have them is pretty much telling me the United States, namely one of its political parties, is a failed experiment.

The movie Idiocracy, specifically the first ~10-20 minutes, was not supposed to be a documentary or some prophetic work of art.....But here we are.

[Rasulis]

Republicans in Florida were set to pass an "unborn child" bill further eroding women's rights in the state — but after national outcry over a far-right decision in Alabama that effectively outlawed in vitro fertilization, they are slamming the brakes.

According to the Daily Beast, "The bill’s sponsor, state Sen. Erin Grall, requested a vote scheduled to be held Monday in the Florida Senate Rules Committee be postponed. In an emailed statement to the Tampa Bay Times, she explained, 'Although I have worked diligently to respond to questions and concerns, I understand there is still work that needs to be done. It is important we get the policy right with an issue of this significance.'"

The bill would give Floridians the right to sue over the wrongful death of an unborn fetus. According to the ACLU of Florida's Kara Gross, “As the bill is currently written, nothing is preventing an abusive partner or rapist from bringing a lawsuit for damages against a healthcare provider or friends and family members of the individual who had an abortion.”

How did these people get elected again?

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Cancer survivor's dream of expanding family on hold after Alabama IVF decision

Houston's journey to motherhood took a turn following the 35-year-old's cervical cancer diagnosis, which required a hysterectomy, removal of her uterus and cervix and other tissues, seemingly crushing her hopes of having a third child.

Despite these challenges, the discovery that her ovaries were unaffected led Houston and her husband to explore the IVF process. The couple found a surrogate to carry their child, with the embryo transfer scheduled for March 21.

However, their plans were abruptly derailed by a call from her doctor, who informed her that the procedure was paused due to the recent legal ruling.

"I asked her if it was even an option to move our embryos out of state while we figured things out, and she said that they had been advised not to touch embryos at all," said Houston.

The decision has raised widespread concerns over potential liabilities for clinics and doctors performing IVF procedures. According to Mary Ziegler, a law professor and reproductive historian at UC Davis, the ruling by the Alabama Supreme Court introduces a real fear of criminal charges in the future, treating embryos as persons under wrongful death law.

"I think it's a fair reading of this ruling that if the justices view embryos in the way this ruling describes that they would be interested in potentially weighing in on criminal liability down the road," said Ziegler.

Another issue has come to the forefront. IVF centers typically develop several embryos to increase the chances of successful IVF procedures. What do they do with the extra embryos? Keep it frozen forever? Who will pay the storage fees? Etc.

[Twdft]

Another issue has come to the forefront. IVF centers typically develop several embryos to increase the chances of successful IVF procedures. What do they do with the extra embryos? Keep it frozen forever? Who will pay the storage fees? Etc.

Sell them to anyone with a freezer and the desire to claim a couple more children on their tax returns.

[Edge-]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ala...ivf-rcna141184

Both chambers of the Alabama Legislature passed Republican-proposed bills intended to protect in vitro fertilization on Thursday after the state Supreme Court ruled that embryos are considered children.

The Alabama state House and Senate still need to vote on a unified version of the legislation before sending to Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey for a signature.

The rapid progression of the two bills came two weeks after a state Supreme Court ruling imperiled IVF care in the state and prompted a national backlash.

This is great news.

But it also really shines a bright spotlight on the reality that Republicans in states like Texas could take swift action to pass legislation preventing the kinds of nightmarish suffering and horror stories we keep hearing from women who suffer pregnancy complications and are basically told that the hospital needs to wait until they're literally dying before they can provide the necessary treatment.

And that Republicans in every other state have spent years voluntarily choosing to do nothing and instead allow women who genuinely want to have children to suffer and risk their ability to become pregnant again or place them at considerably greater health risk if they get pregnant again.

The cruelty very much seems to be the point.

[Endus]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ala...ivf-rcna141184



This is great news.

But it also really shines a bright spotlight on the reality that Republicans in states like Texas could take swift action to pass legislation preventing the kinds of nightmarish suffering and horror stories we keep hearing from women who suffer pregnancy complications and are basically told that the hospital needs to wait until they're literally dying before they can provide the necessary treatment.

And that Republicans in every other state have spent years voluntarily choosing to do nothing and instead allow women who genuinely want to have children to suffer and risk their ability to become pregnant again or place them at considerably greater health risk if they get pregnant again.

The cruelty very much seems to be the point.

I mean, they're also just admitting that they know IVF embryos aren't actually children and thus we can allow IVF to continue being permitted even if it means some of those embryos will never be implanted.

"It's a human being from conception" remains a claim that basically none of its proponents actually turn out to really believe, the moment you put it into any other context than abortion rights. It's just emotional malicious rhetoric.

[D Luniz]

Sell them to anyone with a freezer and the desire to claim a couple more children on their tax returns.

Might be thinking of this the wrong way.
Blue states can take them in. Massively raise their pop for the census and just take a bunch of red state house seats and electoral college votes.

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I mean, they're also just admitting that they know IVF embryos aren't actually children and thus we can allow IVF to continue being permitted even if it means some of those embryos will never be implanted.

"It's a human being from conception" remains a claim that basically none of its proponents actually turn out to really believe, the moment you put it into any other context than abortion rights. It's just emotional malicious rhetoric.

if I was a more cynical person, Id get a lawyer to see about challenging the attempt at a carve out just to force them to drop all of it, or own it for election after election.

[Rasulis]

Cindy Hyde-Smith Takes It Upon Herself To Shut Down IVF Protections, Again

While Hyde-Smith and other Republicans are and will surely continue to hide behind “leave it to the states” arguments in lieu of doing anything tangible to demonstrate their enthusiastic support for in-vitro, Hyde-Smith may want to edit her website first.

Just a quick google of her abortion policy positions this afternoon turned up a page on her Senate website where she outright declares her belief in “the need for federal policies that strengthen America’s families.” To save you a click, a screen grab below:

[Edge-]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...act-rcna142285

Rep. Michelle Steel, a two-term Republican congresswoman from a competitive Orange County-area district, announced Thursday she's withdrawing her co-sponsorship of the Life at Conception Act, saying she favors in vitro fertilization.

“I do not support federal restrictions on IVF,” Steel said on the House floor. “I’m removing myself from the bill because it could create confusion about my support for the blessings of having children through IVF. I hereby remove my name as cosponsor.”

The reversal comes two days after Steel won her primary to advance to the general election this fall, securing enough support from Republicans to move forward. Also on Tuesday, NBC News reported that Steel was voicing support for IVF even as she co-sponsored the bill, which could threaten the use of IVF for pregnancy, a process in which unused embryos can be discarded. At the time, her office didn't respond to queries about how she reconciles those stances.

The attempts at clarifying her position sparked further confusion after Steel published an opinion piece in the Orange County Register saying she’s “an ardent supporter of IVF” while adding: “I believe life begins at conception.”

Her office didn’t respond when asked if Steel believes that destroying embryos amounts to ending a life.

Reminder that Republicans "moderate" their views when it comes time to the general election. Are they moderates on the topic like they now claim? Or are they the same extremists they campaigned as during the primary? Who know, but it's a great reason why you shouldn't trust Republicans.

Because if she truly believes life begins at conception, then is de-facto supporting the murder of people when IVF facilities discard fertilized eggs. This, again, highlights the rhetorical and logical pickle that Republicans find themselves in as they try to square extremist beliefs with more moderate rhetoric.

[Cthulhu 2020]

The fact that we're at the point where folks who want and can afford to have children now can't because of Alabama but the poor people who can't afford children are being forced to have them is pretty much telling me the United States, namely one of its political parties, is a failed experiment.

One of these days the birth rate is going to plummet thanks to all of the anti woman, antri reproductive rights policies and history will look back on how Republicans of the 2000's were wrong about everything.

[Muzjhath]

One of these days the birth rate is going to plummet thanks to all of the anti woman, antri reproductive rights policies and history will look back on how Republicans of the 2000's were wrong about everything.

Look at how men are reacting in South Korea to women doing just that.

It isn't pretty.