SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Shadowferal]

[fwc577]

Try the thought experiment. What's the difference between a fetus a day before birth and a day after birth?

There is no difference. An easy kill, regardless of whether it’s 1 or 1000.

[Blur4stuff]

Republicans fucked this up so badly. They shouldn't have been so extreme. They guaranteed that dems will get millions of votes they may not have gotten otherwise.

[Kaleredar]

Republicans fucked this up so badly. They shouldn't have been so extreme. If they had collectively agreed across states to at least leave some kind of reasonable limit in place, even as low as 15 weeks, while allowing for reasonable exceptions (serious health issues, incest, etc...) this wouldn't have been nearly as much of an issue. And yes, I'm aware some red states do have those exceptions, but they don't actually allow them to be used.

The extreme manner in which they handled this along with putting the case in front of the SC guarantees that Dems will get millions of votes that they may not gotten otherwise. Had republicans not been such overzealous wackos about this, they probably could have won and then gradually put in place even more restrictions over time.

They care about this so much precisely because they are overzealous wackos.

[Glorious Leader]

Republicans fucked this up so badly. They shouldn't have been so extreme. They guaranteed that dems will get millions of votes they may not have gotten otherwise.

Their base is that extreme and thats how they motivate turn out. Theyve trapped themselves particularly in the trump era.

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They care about this so much precisely because they are overzealous wackos.

Im not sure how true this is for the actual politicians. Im sure some of them are fundamentalist whackjobs but im also sure many are just cynical and craven to power. They are making a calculation to appeal to that base.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Damn all "they" have got is a bunch a laws.

A bunch of laws that do not say what you think that they say.

[Kaleredar]

Their base is that extreme and thats how they motivate turn out. Theyve trapped themselves particularly in the trump era.

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Im not sure how true this is for the actual politicians. Im sure some of them are fundamentalist whackjobs but im also sure many are just cynical and craven to power. They are making a calculation to appeal to that base.

I absolutely believe that the evangelical and maga GOP politicians are whole-heartedly behind restricting women’s right to choose.

[Nymrohd]

I absolutely believe that the evangelical and maga GOP politicians are whole-heartedly behind restricting women’s right to choose.

I'd say MAGA politicians are not whole-heartedly behind anything. They don't have any ideology beyond grievance.

[Ivanstone]

I'd say MAGA politicians are not whole-heartedly behind anything. They don't have any ideology beyond grievance.

Grievance describes MAGA voters.

MAGA politicians are pro-big business. Everything else is a smokescreen.

[Shadowferal]

MAGA politicians are pro-big business. Everything else is a smokescreen.

So they may say.
But big biz don't want any part of maga.

[masterhorus8]

Grievance describes MAGA voters.

MAGA politicians are pro-big business. Everything else is a smokescreen.

I'd say they're pro-big business when they're being funded by them. As soon as a large company does something they don't like, it's off with their heads (see Disney, Budweiser, Yeti).

[Woodtable]

I absolutely believe that the evangelical and maga GOP politicians are whole-heartedly behind restricting women’s right to choose.

In every aspect of life. They want broodmares, thats it

[Ivanstone]

I'd say they're pro-big business when they're being funded by them. As soon as a large company does something they don't like, it's off with their heads (see Disney, Budweiser, Yeti).

No. It’s pro-big business all the time. Grandstanding in public is one thing but when they manage to accomplish anything it’s anti-worker, anti-regulation and lower taxes.

Look at Trump’s VP picks. First there was Pence who was in tight with the DeVos family and similar rich shitheads. Sure these people are evangelicals who want social issues in their favour but they’re still business people first.

Now we have his next VP: Peter Thi…, I mean, JD Vance. He’s certainly mouthy on those social issues but he’s still gonna be the front man for conservative tech bros.

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So they may say.
But big biz don't want any part of maga.

Big biz is amoral. Everyone’s wallet is equal in their eyes.

[Poopymonster]

In every aspect of life. They want broodmares, thats it

It wasn't that they were given the right to vote.
It wasn't that they were allowed out of the kitchen.
They think the problem is they were taught to speak in the first place.

[Shadowferal]

[Karreck]

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Okay, cool picture, but I'm going to need a source on this. I mean, I want to believe, but I can't.

[Ivanstone]

Okay, cool picture, but I'm going to need a source on this. I mean, I want to believe, but I can't.

The picture doesn't matter.

There are a metric shit ton of ways to influence politicians without giving them direct donations which are limited anyways. CEO's don't matter. Its one person and one person's direct donations are strictly limited. Every company was a multitude of executives, high placed management and a board of directors to contend with on top of the company itself moving money. Meanwhile there's SuperPAC's whose donations are often opaque and not limited.

And we haven't even gotten into lobbying yet.

The donation to tax cut pipeline remains unbroken.

[Karreck]

The picture doesn't matter.

There are a metric shit ton of ways to influence politicians without giving them direct donations which are limited anyways. CEO's don't matter. Its one person and one person's direct donations are strictly limited. Every company was a multitude of executives, high placed management and a board of directors to contend with on top of the company itself moving money. Meanwhile there's SuperPAC's whose donations are often opaque and not limited.

And we haven't even gotten into lobbying yet.

The donation to tax cut pipeline remains unbroken.

Part of why I want to see a source.

[Nymrohd]

Grievance describes MAGA voters.

MAGA politicians are pro-big business. Everything else is a smokescreen.

I used to believe that was true. And yes some of them and most of their pundits are just con men and lobbyists. But a significant number of them are not motivated by greed. They are clearly motivated by hatred.
No capitalist would be in favour of abortion or against immigration. The numbers simply do not add up. Unwanted pregnancies are economic disruptions. Illegal immigration allows for cheap labour that is not subject to regulations. These policies simply do not favour profit margins.

[Shadowferal]

Okay, cool picture, but I'm going to need a source on this. I mean, I want to believe, but I can't.

Trump's underwhelming business support