SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Ivanstone]

I used to believe that was true. And yes some of them and most of their pundits are just con men and lobbyists. But a significant number of them are not motivated by greed. They are clearly motivated by hatred.
No capitalist would be in favour of abortion or against immigration. The numbers simply do not add up. Unwanted pregnancies are economic disruptions. Illegal immigration allows for cheap labour that is not subject to regulations. These policies simply do not favour profit margins.

Unwanted pregnancies are the future cheep labour pool.

Being "tough" on immigration means no immigration reform which means there's a labour pool with no worker rights.

Also I wouldn't presume that someone is incapable of both greed and hatred. And would be incompetent at achieving either.

[Shadowferal]

Unwanted pregnancies are the future cheap labour pool.

Being "tough" on immigration means no immigration reform which means there's a labour pool with no worker rights..

Roll that in with the Southern Economic Development Model; which is notable for; low wages, a regressive tax system, few regulations on businesses, few labor protections, a weak safety net, and vicious opposition to unions.

In fact, this model was deliberately designed—to extract the labor of Black and brown Southerners as cheaply as possible. This report examines the racist roots of the model and provides the necessary context to challenge the enduring racial hierarchy in the South.

Small edit for clarity.

[Endus]

Illegal immigration allows for cheap labour that is not subject to regulations. These policies simply do not favour profit margins.

On this point; the goal of Republican policy isn't to eliminate undocumented workers. They focus on unlawful border crossings, when they know the vast majority of illegal immigration is visa overstays, which they make no effort whatsoever to address. The long-term intent is to deny undocumented workers social acceptance, so they can't integrate, and to allow for employers who use undocumented labor to use immigration enforcement as an additional tool, to remove workers without paying them their agreed wages or the like. It ensures those undocumented workers remain entirely expendable and exploitable, where pathways to citizenship and acceptance would not.

[Karreck]

Trump's underwhelming business support

Thank you. I appreciate it.

[Edge-]

https://missouriindependent.com/2024...-consequences/

When Missourians head to the polls in November, they may get to vote on whether to overturn their state’s near-total abortion ban and legalize abortions up to the point of fetal viability.

But one lawmaker says the results of that vote may not matter if his colleagues approve his bill declaring that fetuses are people.

Missouri state Rep. Brian Seitz, a Republican, plans to reintroduce a bill in January that would grant “unborn children” the same rights as newborns, building on a similar Missouri law that has been on the books since the 1980s.

Seitz said the bill would provide protections for embryos and fetuses “regardless of that vote in November.”

Absolute abortion bans remain unpopular, even in conservative-led states and among Republican women. So during this legislative session, many GOP state lawmakers pivoted to protecting the rights of fertilized eggs, embryos and fetuses. And when the national Republican Party released its official platform in July, it made no mention of a federal abortion ban. Instead, the GOP affirmed states’ prerogative to pass laws protecting life under the Constitution’s 14th Amendment, which has been used in legal arguments to support fetal personhood.

Fetal personhood, a longtime cornerstone of the anti-abortion movement, is the idea that a fetus, embryo or fertilized egg has the same legal rights as a person who has been born. If the law considers fetuses to be people, the thinking goes, then abortion would legally be considered murder.

Republicans are still looking to outlaw abortion, even indirectly, through fetal personhood bills.

We've had a lot of great discussions about how monumentally terrible of an idea this is, and how far-reaching the consequences are, especially for IVF and other health care that could suddenly become unlawful in the state as a result of fetal personhood being codified into law.

Republican extremism on this topic is seemingly unending, and when one angle of attack becomes to obviously unpopular they simply pivot to another dishonest attack on bodily autonomy in the hopes that people don't notice they're doing the exact same thing.

“If you elevate a fetus to the status of a person and grant it citizenship rights equal to that of a pregnant person, then now you have a clash of rights,” said Rebecca Kluchin, a history professor at California State University, Sacramento, who is writing a book on the history of efforts to establish fetal personhood in the United States.

Kluchin said one goal of the recent fetal personhood bills is to get a case before the U.S. Supreme Court. The Dobbs decision, and the conservative bent of the current court, have created an environment where lawmakers are saying, “Let’s try it,” she said. “If one of them gets it right, then others can pass identical laws.”

Seitz thinks his bill could fulfill that purpose.

“If it does get to the Supreme Court, due to the makeup of the court right now, I think they would see this commonsense legislation is, in fact, truth,” he said.

Because Republicans want the SCOTUS to come in and do the dirty deed for them.

[Nymrohd]

The fact that they are so extremist and moronic that they want to extend this inane concept of fetal personhood to fertilized eggs is mind boggling to me. It's like they watched Legally Blonde and thought Elle Woods made a compelling legal argument.

[Poopymonster]

The fact that they are so extremist and moronic that they want to extend this inane concept of fetal personhood to fertilized eggs is mind boggling to me. It's like they watched Legally Blonde and thought Elle Woods made a compelling legal argument.

I still say they want that so they can lower the age of consent by 9 months.

[Edge-]

https://apnews.com/article/arizona-s...01cdc7226410d0

The Arizona Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that a 200-word summary that advocates used to collect signatures is valid, clearing the way for voters to decide on the constitutional right to an abortion.

Under the measure, abortions would be allowed until an embryo or fetus could survive outside the womb, typically around 24 weeks. There are some exceptions for later-term abortions to save the mother’s life or to protect her physical or mental health.

The decision comes on the heels of a Thursday ballot printing deadline.

Arizona Right to Life, the organization that sued the ballot measure campaign, argued that the petition summary obscured the basic thrust of the ballot initiative by failing to mention it would overturn existing abortion laws.

Nobody hates letting voters actually have a say on the issue of reproductive health care and bodily autonomy as much as "pro-life"/anti-abortion groups do.

Shame they keep losing nearly constantly on this subject. For them. For everyone else who isn't awful, it's some great shit.

[Karreck]

Shame they keep losing nearly constantly on this subject. For them. For everyone else who isn't awful, it's some great shit.

The Forced Birth Advocates are afraid of two major things. First, that Prop 139 will pass and Arizona women have body autonomy. And second, that support for Prop 139 will push Arizona for Harris over Trump.
Arizona is going Blue in November and the GOP are scared shitless.

[Mekh]

The Forced Birth Advocates are afraid of two major things. First, that Prop 139 will pass and Arizona women have body autonomy. And second, that support for Prop 139 will push Arizona for Harris over Trump.
Arizona is going Blue in November and the GOP are scared shitless.

I truly believe it's the geographical convenience that scares the GOP shitless. Once you are there, casting your vote for Prop 139, you might pause for a moment and consider why you have to be there to vote for Prop 139. And then vote the other guys.

[Edge-]

https://archive.is/3rnFO

Gov. Ron DeSantis is demanding that elected Florida Republicans join him in opposition to the proposed amendment that would enshrine abortion rights in the state Constitution. And he wants some of their campaign money to help fund the effort to defeat Amendment 4.

DeSantis laid down the political law for Republicans on Saturday night in Broward County: His party’s elected officials must publicly oppose the proposed referendum on the November election ballot. Some haven’t, which DeSantis depicted as a sign of weakness.

“It’s important that all of our political leaders, you know, stand up and be counted. Right now. You know, there’s some people that just, it’s like the political winds. Like if the winds are against you, you run and hide. That’s not leadership, that is not what’s going to make this state great,” DeSantis said. “You’ve got to stand up even when it’s not easy, even when you’re taking the arrows, stand up and do what’s right.”

The bully pulpit indeed! Weird that Republicans are still so focused on this losing issue and being on the losing side of it.

The governor said it is “untenable to just sit here and let George Soros run amendments in our state and not be willing to stand up and say no. Not on our watch. that’s the least you can do as Republicans.”

He also charged that Soros, a wealthy liberal financier, was bankrolling the Amendment 4 effort, something that amendment supporters said Sunday isn’t true. Republicans frequently use Soros as a shorthand to rile up Republican audiences.

SOROS! It wouldn't be a Republican event without some overt antisemitism now, would it?

A survey released Friday by Emerson College Polling/The Hill found the abortion rights amendment was supported by 55% of the state’s voters, with 26% opposed and 20% unsure. Emerson said 30% of surveyed Republicans support the referendum.

But unfortunately for Ron, he's on the less popular side of this issue (and the legalization of weed in the state).

DeSantis said the abortion rights amendment was “intentionally deceptive and misleading.”

“Here’s what’s going on: This is an amendment that will effectively green light abortion all the way to the moment of birth. They do it indirectly, they use loopholes, and that’s obviously very bad,” he said.

This is, obviously, outright fiction.

DeSantis also outlined several other consequences: that it “may” require taxpayer funding of abortions, would eliminate parental consent for minors to get abortions, and allow any “healthcare provider” to OK an abortion.

“They didn’t use the word physician…. This is any healthcare provider. Well, that could be a chiropractor, that could be a clerk at Planned Parenthood. You are opening Pandora’s box. You’re gonna create a really grisly industry of people that are not trained medically,” DeSantis said.

This is also absolute fiction. Republicans really have the most boring overactive imaginations.

Emma Collum, founder of the Reproductive Freedom Coalition of Broward, which collected petition signatures to help get the referendum on the ballot and is now working to win passage, said DeSantis comments amount to “fear mongering and scare tactics” and “flagrant lies” in service of a campaign that “continues to play politics with the women of Florida’s lives.”

“There is not abortion up until birth. There never has been. This is not a platform that anyone has discussed or will be discussed, and the flagrant disregard for women’s health and safety in order to make ludicrous assertions … is disgusting and dishonest,” Collum said Sunday.

Note that Republicans never cite examples, much less multiple examples, of their more sensational claims like ripping a baby out of the womb days before birth and putting it in a blender. Or whatever dumbass shit they make up using images of baby's being x-rayed thinking that the device that keeps them from squirming around so the x-ray is clear is actually a blender (it's fucking not rofl).

Anyways, Republicans still want to control the wombs of girls and women.

[Paranoid Android]

@Edge So was this in your post above? I don't think so.

Floridians unnerved by police visits about abortion petition signatures

Menasche said he was surprised when the plainclothes officer twice asked if it was really Menasche who had signed the petition. The officer said he was looking into potential petition fraud.

Though the officer was professional and courteous, Menasche, who has had little interaction with police in his life, said the encounter left him shaken.

The officer’s visit appears to be part of a broad — and unusual — effort by Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration to inspect thousands of already verified and validated petitions for Amendment 4 in the final two months before Election Day. The amendment would overturn Florida’s six-week abortion ban by proposing to protect abortion access in Florida until viability.

Nice strong arm tactic there Ron. Basically he was "just checking the signatures were legal, cause Ya Know". This had some intimidation to it but no doubt here that Ron was fishing for just one illegal signature to yell "Fraud".

So once more Republicans always get to hyperbolic of what Democrats are going to do with policy but you just need to say the truth with Republicans.

[Edge-]

@Edge So was this in your post above? I don't think so.

Floridians unnerved by police visits about abortion petition signatures






Nice strong arm tactic there Ron. Basically he was "just checking the signatures were legal, cause Ya Know". This had some intimidation to it but no doubt here that Ron was fishing for just one illegal signature to yell "Fraud".

So once more Republicans always get to hyperbolic of what Democrats are going to do with policy but you just need to say the truth with Republicans.

Nope. Sounds a lot like when Ron sent the police to make a big scene arresting former felons who thought they were allowed to vote and who the state told could vote.

Just Ron's own Gaspacho Police to go intimidate citizens of his state.

[Paranoid Android]

Jay Ashcroft seeks to pull abortion amendment off Missouri ballot weeks after approving it

Missouri Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft decertified a ballot measure that would legalize abortion, a move aimed at blocking it from appearing on the November ballot, according to a brief filed Monday with the state Supreme Court.

Last month, Ashcroft announced the reproductive-rights proposal would appear on the ballot as Amendment 3. But a Cole County judge on Friday ruled the amendment violated state law and shouldn’t have been certified.

That ruling is now before the Missouri Supreme Court, with a hearing scheduled Tuesday morning and a ruling expected quickly thereafter. The deadline to remove a question from the ballot is also Tuesday.

But before the Supreme Court had the chance to weigh in, Ashcroft said he had changed his mind.

State's right people!! Leave it up to the voters of the state.

Other state's and I know Missouri is the big one in news that since they are actually leaving it up to the states namely thru a general election vote and people want to have Choice ; are instead saying "Fuk No" and just using the Legislation, Governor, Secretary of State and Supreme Courts to subvert the voters.

Oh btw.

[Sunseeker]

Jay Ashcroft seeks to pull abortion amendment off Missouri ballot weeks after approving it





State's right people!! Leave it up to the voters of the state.

Other state's and I know Missouri is the big one in news that since they are actually leaving it up to the states namely thru a general election vote and people want to have Choice ; are instead saying "Fuk No" and just using the Legislation, Governor, Secretary of State and Supreme Courts to subvert the voters.

Oh btw.

Government by the people? No no no, we meant government for the people, like, we exist for their governance. No no no its not circular. What would they do without us anyway? Theyd just smoke pot and have abortions, clearly they need us to tell them how to live.
-Republicans.

[Edge-]

Jay Ashcroft seeks to pull abortion amendment off Missouri ballot weeks after approving it





State's right people!! Leave it up to the voters of the state.

Other state's and I know Missouri is the big one in news that since they are actually leaving it up to the states namely thru a general election vote and people want to have Choice ; are instead saying "Fuk No" and just using the Legislation, Governor, Secretary of State and Supreme Courts to subvert the voters.

Oh btw.

https://fox4kc.com/news/missouri-new...vember-ballot/

The Missouri Supreme Court ruled that an abortion-rights amendment, Amendment 3, will stay on the ballot in the November election.

“By a majority vote of this Court, the circuit court’s judgment is reversed,” the Missouri Supreme Court said. “Respondent John R. Ashcroft shall certify to local election authorities that Amendment 3 be placed on the November 5, 2024, general election ballot and shall take all steps necessary to ensure that it is on said ballot.”

It's back on. I guess he could try to appeal to SCOTUS but I'm unsure that's even possible considering this is purely a matter of state law so the Missouri Supreme Court would be the ultimate authority on this.

[Rasulis]

https://fox4kc.com/news/missouri-new...vember-ballot/



It's back on. I guess he could try to appeal to SCOTUS but I'm unsure that's even possible considering this is purely a matter of state law so the Missouri Supreme Court would be the ultimate authority on this.

Nebraska Supreme Court next. If they make the same decision as Missouri, that will make it 10 states with abortion amendment on the ballots.

[Sunseeker]

https://fox4kc.com/news/missouri-new...vember-ballot/



It's back on. I guess he could try to appeal to SCOTUS but I'm unsure that's even possible considering this is purely a matter of state law so the Missouri Supreme Court would be the ultimate authority on this.

Given the deadline to get it on the ballot, SCOTUS really only has the option of being an enormous dick about it, taking the case and thus forcing it off the ballot while it is appealed, or not taking the case.

[Edge-]

Given the deadline to get it on the ballot, SCOTUS really only has the option of being an enormous dick about it, taking the case and thus forcing it off the ballot while it is appealed, or not taking the case.

Given that it's purely a state matter I'm skeptical that the AG would find a federal law or anything in the US Constitution to justify an emergency appeal to the SCOTUS or anything.

Then again Kavanaugh is the Justice for the Eight Circuit, which Missouri is in, so who knows what Mr. I JUST LIKE BEER would do. I'm inclined to think even he'd find it difficult justifying entertaining such an appeal - though I'm no lawyer or constitutional law expert so I absolutely defer to others with more knowledge in this area.

[Paranoid Android]

https://fox4kc.com/news/missouri-new...vember-ballot/



It's back on. I guess he could try to appeal to SCOTUS but I'm unsure that's even possible considering this is purely a matter of state law so the Missouri Supreme Court would be the ultimate authority on this.

Just read the news.

My cynical take is Missouri SC realized this would be a massive political failure if they ruled with State AG. Making assumptions that the court is conservative but unlike Arizona and Louisiana are not making the news for the wrong reasons.