SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

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https://www.propublica.org/article/n...ion-ban-emtala


Obligatory fuck those garbage Republicans.

The "Pro-life" party continuing to push policies and legislation that they can see is literally killing girls and women. It's a feature, baby, not a bug.

[Strange One]

If God was so against abortion why does he perform 23 million of them a year via miscarriages?

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

We should stop calling them pro life. That group (for the most part) don't really care about life after birth, and their policies are not pro life or pro health. Pro forced birth is what they should be called.

If they were pro life, they would be pro:
Forced blood donations
Forced organ donation on dath
Forced bone marrow donation
Forced kidney donation while living (we have two)
Getting rid of the death penalty
Stopping war
etc

Nothing they really do is pro life.

[Fugus]

If God was so against abortion why does he perform 23 million of them a year via miscarriages?

Canonically he actually supported a couple doing one and even gave them step by step instructions on how to do one. But they like to ignore that passage.

[Endus]

Canonically he actually supported a couple doing one and even gave them step by step instructions on how to do one. But they like to ignore that passage.

It's more of a ritual spell than an actual set of functional instructions. It involves putting dust into water and cursing it and making the woman drink it. If she cheated on her husband, the curse will make her miscarry. It's in Numbers 5:11-31. But still; it's meant to induce a miscarriage, and that's what an "abortion" is.

[Fugus]

It's more of a ritual spell than an actual set of functional instructions. It involves putting dust into water and cursing it and making the woman drink it. If she cheated on her husband, the curse will make her miscarry. It's in Numbers 5:11-31. But still; it's meant to induce a miscarriage, and that's what an "abortion" is.

Was debating on posting the actual verse but last time I did that, I was infracted for posting about religion. So wasn't sure where the line was on this one.

[Poopymonster]

It's more of a ritual spell than an actual set of functional instructions. It involves putting dust into water and cursing it and making the woman drink it. If she cheated on her husband, the curse will make her miscarry. It's in Numbers 5:11-31. But still; it's meant to induce a miscarriage, and that's what an "abortion" is.

....so he's teaching magic spells.
Didn't the offspring of Mondain and Minax say something about suffering them and living?
Didn't they have an inquisition that no one expected over shit like that?
Didn't Pyromaniac Incels do that stateside over that shit?

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Was debating on posting the actual verse but last time I did that, I was infracted for posting about religion. So wasn't sure where the line was on this one.

I don't know either, anymore! I think people should be able to look it up, and I think poking holes in claims by religious people about their faith is important when it comes to them trying to argue that everyone else should be held subject to their faith's rules. I don't have any active points, and I figured I could take the hit if it did cross a line in some mod's opinion.

And let me emphasize; I am not telling anyone what their faith should be. Just noting that it's weird for Christians to claim their religious objections to abortion must be universally applied to non-believers, when their own religious canon does not itself support that objection. If they were letting it inform their own lives and choices, I wouldn't try and make this same argument. It's not about telling people they can't believe that, it's rejecting religious subjugation of others.

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....so he's teaching magic spells.
Didn't the offspring of Mondain and Minax say something about suffering them and living?
Didn't they have an inquisition that no one expected over shit like that?
Didn't Pyromaniac Incels do that stateside over that shit?

It's all just prayer and ritual when you take the dogmatic bigotry out of it. Calling it a "ritual spell" wasn't meant as a slur or something.

[LemonDemonGirl]

It's more of a ritual spell than an actual set of functional instructions. It involves putting dust into water and cursing it and making the woman drink it. If she cheated on her husband, the curse will make her miscarry. It's in Numbers 5:11-31. But still; it's meant to induce a miscarriage, and that's what an "abortion" is.

This is in the Bible? Guess that makes abortion a curse then huh

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This is in the Bible? Guess that makes abortion a curse then huh

A useful one, in the context of the time, so not meaningfully distinct from a "blessing".

If you're implying anything moral about the term, I don't see why religious extremism, particularly forms which directly attack people's basic rights and dignity, should be offered any kind of seat at any table, or indeed anything but overt hostility and condescension. The only people who oppose abortion rights are extremist religious misogynists. Nobody cares what they believe.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

The only people who oppose abortion rights are extremist religious misogynists. Nobody cares what they believe.

I wish that were true.

[Shadowferal]

Republicans don't care if women die from abortion bans — but they don't want you to know about it

Women will keep dying, but the GOP is working hard to destroy the evidence

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Republicans don't care if women die from abortion bans — but they don't want you to know about it

Women will keep dying, but the GOP is working hard to destroy the evidence

Incredibly on brand for Republicans. Pursue a harmful policy that has no real positive outcome and then hide the negative outcomes from the public.

[Gaidax]

In my opinion abortions issue is the Republican version of Dems' gender identity politics.

It's just an idiotic hill to die on, when it should be pretty a easy solution of letting the woman decide within a limit of medical reason.

Republicans have as much lessons to learn as Dems, they just lucked out that Dems were just a tad crazier this time around.

[DarkTZeratul]

In my opinion abortions issue is the Republican version of Dems' gender identity politics.

It's just an idiotic hill to die on, when it should be pretty a easy solution of letting the woman decide within a limit of medical reason.

Republicans have as much lessons to learn as Dems, they just lucked out that Dems were just a tad crazier this time around.

You realize it was almost entirely the Republicans screaming about gender politics, right? Harris virtually never mentioned it. Meanwhile, the GOP spend over a hundred dollars for every transgender person in the country running anti-trans ads on TV.

It's also, frankly, exactly the same damn solution: let people decide for themselves within a limit of medical reason. But oh no, we can't have people deciding for themselves! It might make some people uncomfortable, and we have to give them the religious freedom to impose their beliefs on everyone else.

[Gaidax]

You realize it was almost entirely the Republicans screaming about gender politics, right? Harris virtually never mentioned it.

You keep thinking that. It is in my interest Dems would not learn any lessons.

There is a reason why someone like AOC removed gender identity tag from hew Twitter literally two days after elections were over. That shit did not fly with the people.

But if less smart Dems prefer to keep their heads in the sand about it - by all means, it's better for me.

[DarkTZeratul]

You keep thinking that.

It's literally fucking true, and it's frankly insulting that you're trying to claim otherwise. You're either flat-out lying, or you're way over-exposed to the right-wing bullshit insisting that it's all the Democrats talk about.

[Gaidax]

It's literally fucking true, and it's frankly insulting that you're trying to claim otherwise. You're either flat-out lying, or you're way over-exposed to the right-wing bullshit insisting that it's all the Democrats talk about.

Again, please keep thinking that's true. Dems have pushed the envelope of sanity on this and got punished for it, among other things. But hey, it's the red guys who are wrong.

[Draco-Onis]

You keep thinking that. It is in my interest Dems would not learn any lessons.

There is a reason why someone like AOC removed gender identity tag from hew Twitter literally two days after elections were over. That shit did not fly with the people.

But if less smart Dems prefer to keep their heads in the sand about it - by all means, it's better for me.

Please explain where Harris ran on gender identity politics, it should be rather easy to show that direct relationship. Republicans ran on identity politics they spend over 250 million dollars on gender issue commercials and they couldn't stop talking about the scary trans people. It's also good to keep in mind peak "woke" which was 2018 and 2020 resulted in big election wins for democrats.

If you look at the polling most people don't care there's no correlation, it's wishful thinking by the pundit class. The top issues are kitchen table issues, people aren't voting on whose genitals is the correct one.

[Surfd]

Again, please keep thinking that's true. Dems have pushed the envelope of sanity on this and got punished for it, among other things. But hey, it's the red guys who are wrong.

Objectively. Yes. Absofuckinglutely.

Claiming the Dems "pushed the envelope of sanity" on this, is ludicrous. That's like saying that the people who fought for end of slavery, or the civil rights movement, or the right for women to have the same rights as men "pushed the envelope of sanity".

The fight for basic human rights for ALL people is not something you just casually pick up and put down when convenient, and those "red guys" are objectively on the wrong side of history here, just like all the similar bigots and assholes who resisted progressive change in the past. They will not be remembered kindly, and rightly so.