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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Shit...Healthcare is blowing up as an issue because of a murdered CEO. (UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson)
    And when he gets caught, some will see him as a hero of our times.
    Difficult to not feel somewhat aligned.
    Well when you run a company that is likely responsible for thousands of deaths because you know better than doctors and that results in someone giving you a shot of lead....it's really easy for the general public to celebrate your end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Shit...Healthcare is blowing up as an issue because of a murdered CEO. (UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson)
    And when he gets caught, some will see him as a hero of our times.
    Difficult to not feel somewhat aligned.
    I think the obvious lesson here is that if there was a political party who portrayed evil CEOs and corporations as villains instead of blaming powerless immigrants it would be like shooting fish in a barrel for votes. It's too bad we don't have such a left wing party that would weave such an obvious narrative based on something everyone knows is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Shit...Healthcare is blowing up as an issue because of a murdered CEO. (UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson)
    And when he gets caught, some will see him as a hero of our times.
    Difficult to not feel somewhat aligned.
    I don’t condone running around murdering people in cold blood, and the unfortunate fact of the matter is that it’s just as likely that this guy was a complete lunatic conspiracy theorist blaming this CEO for vaccines causing 5G deep state autism as it is that the shooter was some sort of “avenger for the little man against for-profit healthcare.”

    Moreover, the response from these insurance companies isn’t going to be one of “hmm maybe we should be less exploitive dickheads,” it’s going to be to turtle up and claim that suddenly they’re the victims under attack.
    “Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    Well when you run a company that is likely responsible for thousands of deaths because you know better than doctors and that results in someone giving you a shot of lead....it's really easy for the general public to celebrate your end.
    Approximately 50K Americans die each year due to health insurance, it's the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US. The Mexican drug cartels have nothing on the amount of death and destruction these fuckers are responsible for and we don't shed tears over El Chapo dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Moreover, the response from these insurance companies isn’t going to be one of “hmm maybe we should be less exploitive dickheads,” it’s going to be to turtle up and claim that suddenly they’re the victims under attack.
    There was a recent push to use less anaesthetic during surgery.

    They’ve decided this was a bad idea and will not be doing it. Possibly because this dude got shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I don’t condone running around murdering people in cold blood, and the unfortunate fact of the matter is that it’s just as likely that this guy was a complete lunatic conspiracy theorist blaming this CEO for vaccines causing 5G deep state autism as it is that the shooter was some sort of “avenger for the little man against for-profit healthcare.”
    Police found bullet casings with "Deny, Defend, Depose" written on them. I think his motivations seem very clear.

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    UnitedHealthcare CEO death reveals wider outrage over healthcare system, insurance

    "You had Medicaid, you had the marketplace, then you also have subsidies to make it more affordable to purchase plans on the marketplace," Gounder said. "Those were made even more generous during the pandemic, and then those more generous subsidies were extended under the Inflation Reduction Act under President Biden."

    But, there is still the challenge of why health care costs are rising.

    "You have efforts to extend coverage and make more people have health care be available, but prices are going up," Gounder said.

    ..hmf.
    ...always takes dead bodies...
    “But this isn’t the end. I promise you, this is not the end, and we have to regroup and we have to continue to fight and continue to work day in and day out to create the better society for our children, for this world, for this country, that we know is possible.” ~~Jon Stewart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    UnitedHealthcare CEO death reveals wider outrage over healthcare system, insurance

    "You had Medicaid, you had the marketplace, then you also have subsidies to make it more affordable to purchase plans on the marketplace," Gounder said. "Those were made even more generous during the pandemic, and then those more generous subsidies were extended under the Inflation Reduction Act under President Biden."

    But, there is still the challenge of why health care costs are rising.

    "You have efforts to extend coverage and make more people have health care be available, but prices are going up," Gounder said.

    ..hmf.
    ...always takes dead bodies...
    I feel bad for his wife.
    The life insurance claim was denied. The shot did not have prior authorization and was performed by an out of network provider.

    EDIT: I say that as someone who works in a doc's office. We learned what words to put in the prior authorizations to avoid the automatic denial. Which is appealed, and responded to in 7 business days. Then you submit MORE paperwork for the appeal (which may include paperwork sent initially or in the appeal), which will be responded to within 7 business days.
    At any point they may not receive the fax. Because reasons.

    My office manager would not let me set it up to fax the patient's records (20-60 pages) at 9 PM, and resend it every 15 minutes until 8AM. Just to make sure they receive it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    “But this isn’t the end. I promise you, this is not the end, and we have to regroup and we have to continue to fight and continue to work day in and day out to create the better society for our children, for this world, for this country, that we know is possible.” ~~Jon Stewart

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    If an invading force came to America, killed 60,000+ people a year and forced countless others into financial ruin, most Americans would be happy if that force was vanquished, by any means necessary.

    But name that invading force, medical insurance, and somehow the story is different.
    "When Facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." - Unknown

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    If an invading force came to America, killed 60,000+ people a year and forced countless others into financial ruin, most Americans would be happy if that force was vanquished, by any means necessary.

    But name that invading force, medical insurance, and somehow the story is different.
    Really, it seems to boil down to whether you can make enough of a profit off your serial killing, for shareholders in your serial-murder business.

    It's not about the murders, it's whether you had the capitalist gumption to turn a profit off them.

    You get sent to prison for being a poor​ who killed people as a non-profit passion project.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Really, it seems to boil down to whether you can make enough of a profit off your serial killing, for shareholders in your serial-murder business.

    It's not about the murders, it's whether you had the capitalist gumption to turn a profit off them.

    You get sent to prison for being a poor​ who killed people as a non-profit passion project.
    Exactly.

    The wealthy in this country better be terrified.
    "When Facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." - Unknown

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    If Musk and Ramaswamy get their way, Medicare, the only part of US health care system that works, will soon be as bad as the rest.



    Anecdotal personal experience. My wife was hospitalized twice in June this year. She ended up having to be intubated for 4 days the second time. She is on Medicare/Medigap. Everything, from nurses, doctors, facilities, room, etc., were excellent. Even the aftercare was superb. The doctor wanted her to be on oxygen at home. She was released in the morning, and in afternoon a technician came to our home to set up the Oxygen machine (no need to change tanks) with extended 50-foot hose which allowed my wife to move around freely. The same with the breathing therapist. She called us. Set up the schedule and took care of everything. I think I paid out of pocket around $900 in total.

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