SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Belize]

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1...dhGv8-4jQ&s=19




https://bangordailynews.com/2022/05/...ngor-sidewalk/

Oh My Goodness! How will you ever get chalk off a sidewalk?

These Republicans have become very fragile these past few days.

Is this the kind of abject terrorism that THE LEFTS supports now? /s

[Forogil]

Let's be clear; we're talking about a situation where Canada will be closing off friendly relations with the USA altogether and potentially pushing the UN for sanctions and such against them, as the USA spirals down into being a bigot-driven dystopia.

No, we were talking about a situation where the US outlawed abortion, possibly including abortion of US citizens outside of the US and the false claim that there would obviously be no legal consequences, since Canada would just not extradite.

I'm saying that it is more complicated, and you are spinning it out of control.

UN sanctions are unlikely, as sanctions normally start based on Article 41 of Chapter VII of the UN Charter in the Security Council where the US has veto power.

[Endus]

No, we were talking about a situation where the US outlawed abortion, possibly including abortion of US citizens outside of the US and the false claim that there would obviously be no legal consequences, since Canada would just not extradite.

I'm saying that it is more complicated, and you are spinning it out of control.

UN sanctions are unlikely, as sanctions normally start based on Article 41 of Chapter VII of the UN Charter in the Security Council where the US has veto power.

You're also ignoring that Canada has a long history of officially supporting lying to oppressive regimes in circumstances like this, and also refusing extradition to countries where we don't agree that there should be any such prosecution. That latter's more common when it's, say, an American who'd face the death penalty in the USA, but if you're gonna charge an American abortion doctor for performing abortions in the USA, yeah, we'll set them up here in Canada and thumb our noses at American requests for extradition.

The only penalty there'd be is an inability to go visit that oppressive regime. It's like how a lot of Iranian-Canadians can't go home to visit family in Iran, because of consequences they may face there and their inability to leave by choice once they've entered. My cousin's wife got embassy support in fleeing China with their newborn son; she had to conceal her efforts to emigrate from her own government and tell them she was just going to visit her husband's family, all while the Canadian embassy was rushing Canadian residency status for her quietly behind the scenes, so that once she set foot in Canada China wouldn't be able to touch her. Same kind of shit. She might not be able to go home, because of the oppressive regime that's in control there, but it changes precisely fuck-all about her life in Canada.

[Jotaux]

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1...dhGv8-4jQ&s=19




https://bangordailynews.com/2022/05/...ngor-sidewalk/

Oh My Goodness! How will you ever get chalk off a sidewalk?

These Republicans have become very fragile these past few days.

Writing on with chalk on the pavement is defacement of public property? I didn't know I was such a hardened criminal by the age of 4.

[Forogil]

I thought we agreed there wouldn’t be any. Just social consequences where the US becomes a no-go zone for anyone providing abortion pills to US citizens.

The legal consequences is in part what causes it to become a no-go zone. Why do you think it becomes a no-go zone?

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1...dhGv8-4jQ&s=19




https://bangordailynews.com/2022/05/...ngor-sidewalk/

Oh My Goodness! How will you ever get chalk off a sidewalk?

These Republicans have become very fragile these past few days.

Fuckin Narc Collins over in Maine wasting police time over some chalk on the sidewalk and a literal harmless political message.

Hide yo kids chalk, don't want Narc Collins over there complaining about it to the police.

In other news: https://twitter.com/BillKristol/stat...88322671788033

Bill Kristol is still trying to rehab his image as, "Actually I was one of the reasonable neoconservatives!", crying about people protesting for their fundamental human rights at a church. Seemingly oblivious that the same crowd he's trying to protect literally harass, and have killed, women and medical professionals working at health care companies providing care for women. Not abortions by any means, but just simple, routine reproductive health care.

Fuck 'em. And still fuck Bill Kristol.

[Nurasu]

Maybe it's time for people to have another Civil War in the States. Get rid of all the old fucking dirtbags in power that are set in their old ways.

The problem, really, is that we never finished the first one. Imagine if we allowed the Nazis the southern provinces of Germany and said 'good game'.

[Rasulis]

Let's be clear; we're talking about a situation where Canada will be closing off friendly relations with the USA altogether and potentially pushing the UN for sanctions and such against them, as the USA spirals down into being a bigot-driven dystopia. Sure, there's every chance the USA will respond badly to that, and we're well aware we're Poland if American Nazis get uppity, but we can't exactly move the country, but we can tell the Nazis to fuck off as loudly as we can get away with.

Doctors attending conferences will be the least fuckin concern, dude.

It won't come to that for awhile yet. As far as the Fed is concerned, abortion is still legal. To change that, the GOP would need a veto-proof 67% seats in the House and Senate, or a Republican president plus 60% senate seats. We won't see that until at least 2025.

[Nurasu]

It won't come to that for awhile yet. As far as the Fed is concerned, abortion is still legal. To change that, the GOP would need a veto-proof 67% seats in the House and Senate, or a Republican president plus 60% senate seats. We won't see that until at least 2025.

They will kill the filibuster the next chance they get, but yes, 2025.

[Elegiac]

They will kill the filibuster the next chance they get.

They won't.

The legislative filibuster is instrumental in entrenching minority rule which the GOP relies on to obstruct governance, they'll defend it to the very last.

[Rasulis]

Nah, legal consequences only happen if they actually occur. If no doctor from Canada is ever prosecuted and convicted there are none.

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Abortion is left up to the states isn’t the same as it being federally legalized.

It is not illegal either.

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They will kill the filibuster the next chance they get, but yes, 2025.

Not enough. Unless they have a president that will sign off on the law, they will need 67% in both House and Senate.

[Paranoid Android]

Sen. Tim Scott: "Did you say that ending the life of a child is good for the labor force participation rate?"

Treasury Sec. Yellen: "One aspect of a satisfying life is being able to feel that you have the financial resources to raise a child."

Wake Up!!! I wonder how many will wake up, especially women sadly that these conservatives just see you as a sperm receptacle and baby incubator.


Commentary on this and the Barrett opinion is amazing how ancient this belief is of having a large labor force, which oh btw this was a rule of why they did not like abortions back in them good ole days. You all remember those? I mean when the infant mortality rate was like 50% and it took 10 children just farm enough sustenance and maybe a little left over for trade is when this was introduced into the dogma. Can't talk about the "R" word here.

So yeah in today's time it is all about creating a cheap labor force so we never have a shortage and pay people their worth. Also have to have that mighty consumer who buys shit so corporations can make money. These people and their ideals are effin crazy.

Another oh btw, commenting off Yellen is of course since the wages are depressed along with cost of living, yes people are not having kids.

[Edge-]

Sen. Tim Scott: "Did you say that ending the life of a child is good for the labor force participation rate?"

Treasury Sec. Yellen: "One aspect of a satisfying life is being able to feel that you have the financial resources to raise a child."

Wake Up!!! I wonder how many will wake up, especially women sadly that these conservatives just see you as a sperm receptacle and baby incubator.


Commentary on this and the Barrett opinion is amazing how ancient this belief is of having a large labor force, which oh btw this was a rule of why they did not like abortions back in them good ole days. You all remember those? I mean when the infant mortality rate was like 50% and it took 10 children just farm enough sustenance and maybe a little left over for trade is when this was introduced into the dogma. Can't talk about the "R" word here.

So yeah in today's time it is all about creating a cheap labor force so we never have a shortage and pay people their worth. Also have to have that mighty consumer who buys shit so corporations can make money. These people and their ideals are effin crazy.

Another oh btw, commenting off Yellen is of course since the wages are depressed along with cost of living, yes people are not having kids.

Wait...so not saddling struggling single mothers with children they may not be able to care for, requiring them to go into debt/go on public assistance and leave the workforce to care for their children fulltime...is a bad thing?

I mean, Tim Scott could have just come out and said, "Women exist to make babies for men, Secretary Yellen."

I love the framing of "Pro-life" or "Pro-abortion". Both of which are strawmen.

Most "pro-life" folks reject paying for pre-post natal care and seem opposed to the monthly child tax credit and Medicaide expansions, which directly result in harming the woman and child and putting them at risk. They also often favor the death penalty.

"Pro-abortion" doesn't really exist. There is nobody who is advocating for women to get pregnant just so they can have abortions (I'm sure someone will link a crazy rando as if they're symbolic of mainstream vies). Just advocating for women to have bodily autonomy and access to reproductive health care, including medically necessary abortions and abortions should their birth control fail and they feel they are not prepared to have a child/able to provide a good life for a child.

One is fundamentally arguing for individual rights and limited government over our medical decisions. The other is arguing that the state has a vested interest in forcing children to carry fetuses to term to produce more babies, as Amy Coney Barret said (to paraphrase) - "to meet the market demands for adoptions".

Which sounds pretty "communist authoritarian state!" to me!!!

[Fugus]

They won't.

The legislative filibuster is instrumental in entrenching minority rule which the GOP relies on to obstruct governance, they'll defend it to the very last.

You have more faith than I do, I would fully expect them to strip it the moment it’s opportune for them and then try and put it back in place before the lost power.

[Endus]

Sen. Tim Scott: "Did you say that ending the life of a child is good for the labor force participation rate?"

Treasury Sec. Yellen: "One aspect of a satisfying life is being able to feel that you have the financial resources to raise a child."

Wake Up!!! I wonder how many will wake up, especially women sadly that these conservatives just see you as a sperm receptacle and baby incubator.


Commentary on this and the Barrett opinion is amazing how ancient this belief is of having a large labor force, which oh btw this was a rule of why they did not like abortions back in them good ole days. You all remember those? I mean when the infant mortality rate was like 50% and it took 10 children just farm enough sustenance and maybe a little left over for trade is when this was introduced into the dogma. Can't talk about the "R" word here.

So yeah in today's time it is all about creating a cheap labor force so we never have a shortage and pay people their worth. Also have to have that mighty consumer who buys shit so corporations can make money. These people and their ideals are effin crazy.

Another oh btw, commenting off Yellen is of course since the wages are depressed along with cost of living, yes people are not having kids.

Important reminder that a low labor force participation rate is a good thing for a society, all other things remaining equal.

Those "other things remaining equal" meaning that, among other things;
1> People can still afford to live comfortably, meaning single-income households aren't struggling (wages would have to be way higher than currently)
2> Productivity remains relatively high. Not profits. Not stock prices. Productivity.
3> Support systems are in place for those who don't/can't work, and those support systems are enough for a modest-but-comfortable lifestyle.

A high labor force participation rate is a societal flaw, not an advantage. The more people we can free up from toiling for wages while sustaining productivity levels, the better for society.

[Xyonai]

Important reminder that a low labor force participation rate is a good thing for a society, all other things remaining equal.

Those "other things remaining equal" meaning that, among other things;
1> People can still afford to live comfortably, meaning single-income households aren't struggling (wages would have to be way higher than currently)
2> Productivity remains relatively high. Not profits. Not stock prices. Productivity.
3> Support systems are in place for those who don't/can't work, and those support systems are enough for a modest-but-comfortable lifestyle.

A high labor force participation rate is a societal flaw, not an advantage. The more people we can free up from toiling for wages while sustaining productivity levels, the better for society.

I just wish the Cons you're preaching these ideals at understood this. The last fifty years or so they've been raised on the 'truth' that if you're not working all the time every day forever, then you're a lazy good-for-nothing without societal value. It's how they justify being 'happy' with a highly exploitative job market, how they justify gutting and dismantling welfare programs. It's just good ol' Reganomics and Evangelical Prosperity Gospel garbage spawning the bastard of modern Republican Fiscal Policy.

[Forogil]

Nah, legal consequences only happen if they actually occur. If no doctor from Canada is ever prosecuted and convicted there are none.

I have never understood why people think reality is that black or white; it is likely that there will be a few cases so there will be "legal consequences" - but the main outcome is that people adapt their behavior to avoid them.

[Paranoid Android]

Okay in this video, the official The Hill Twitter feed. Is Senator Tina Smith moving this motion forward to protect Justice members family? Plus it was done on an up and down vote and can't find how Senators voted. Since the oh btw, Tina Smith was head of Planned Parenthood and is supporting this bill?

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1...JI2bma2XH0Rlrw

As usual for those who want to overreact, but while no physical harm should be done, this was peaceful protest outside the home. In my opinion, the Dems supporting this right now is just another kick in the ass. An oh btw and no shocker, Chris Coons(D) from Deleware, sponsored this.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1524022063232606211

[unfilteredJW]

Protecting the right of women? Bad.

Protecting judges from being told they are awful for taking away rights from women? Good.

[Rasulis]

I said it before, left wing protesters are smarter than their right wing counterparts. They had no problem finding Nancy Pelosi real home in Pacific Height.

Nancy Pelosi's house targeted by pro-choice protesters demanding she investigate Supreme Court justices