1. #1281
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    If she meant business she’d support nuking the filibuster. Nah, she means to put on a show and that’s about it.

    Edit: “that lady” is Sinema, in case anyone is confused.
    Well you have to make sure you have a great income stream after your term is over and i am very sure most people would do exactly as she is doing. Why say no to more more money in your future. She is a dogshit taco honestly.

  2. #1282
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Third trimester abortions are exceptionally rare, not even 1%.

    If the only way anyone (such as a disingenuous pro-lifer) can make their point is with hyperbole, then they don't have a point.
    It is my understanding that most late-term abortions are related to either stillborn and mother's life at risk cases.

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    49 Agree that women have the right to decide for themselves. 51 Disagree.

    It is ruled that women's wombs are the property of the US government.
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  4. #1284
    Senate voted to codify and was defeated 51-49. Manchin voted with the Republicans.

    I just hate this dog and pony show. Feckless Dems pulling this shit with no chance of winning. Oh btw the typical passive, aggressive Dems using this as "we got them on record" and lets vote and fundraise against it is week. Effin Dems!

    Murkowski and Collins voted "No" with Republicans. Shocking! They supposedly did their own water downed bill. Manchin too stated that the Dem bill gave tooooooo much leniency on abortion.
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  5. #1285
    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Senate voted to codify and was defeated 51-49. Manchin voted with the Republicans.

    I just hate this dog and pony show. Feckless Dems pulling this shit with no chance of winning. Oh btw the typical passive, aggressive Dems using this as "we got them on record" and lets vote and fundraise against it is week. Effin Dems!

    Murkowski and Collins voted "No" with Republicans. Shocking! They supposedly did their own water downed bill. Manchin too stated that the Dem bill gave tooooooo much leniency on abortion.
    I mean, it’s DOA anyways. This vote is just to take a stand and to show voters where their Senators stand.
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  6. #1286
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Tie-dyed pink shirt, rainbow skirt, bright pink sneakers… that lady means business.

    I love it lol


    Channeling that Hunger Games energy before she helps create Gilead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post


    Channeling that Hunger Games energy before she helps create Gilead.
    If I heard correctly, she actually voted in favor of the bill. I was quite surprised.
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  8. #1288
    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Senate voted to codify and was defeated 51-49. Manchin voted with the Republicans.

    I just hate this dog and pony show. Feckless Dems pulling this shit with no chance of winning. Oh btw the typical passive, aggressive Dems using this as "we got them on record" and lets vote and fundraise against it is week. Effin Dems!

    Murkowski and Collins voted "No" with Republicans. Shocking! They supposedly did their own water downed bill. Manchin too stated that the Dem bill gave tooooooo much leniency on abortion.
    Manchin bending Manchin...but Murkoswki and Collins can both kill themselves...in Minecraft!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    If I heard correctly, she actually voted in favor of the bill. I was quite surprised.
    Well, she's still blocking the filibuster reform. So her doing her little act to show her empathy for the plebs of the Districts rings a wee bit hollow.

  9. #1289
    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Manchin bending Manchin...but Murkoswki and Collins can both kill themselves...in Minecraft!
    Manchin is the roadblock he was predicted to be years ago...big surprise.

    I just wonder what his game is, since his favored Republican candidates locally (the ones he endorses) seem to get their asses handed to them by voters choosing the Trump pick.

    But I guess being a fence-sitting shitlord is just way more profitable for him and his family right now. Shame West Virginia keeps electing dogshit candidates.

  10. #1290
    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post


    Channeling that Hunger Games energy before she helps create Gilead.
    Ha! That’s exactly what I thought when I saw her. What a loon lol
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  11. #1291
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Manchin is the roadblock he was predicted to be years ago...big surprise.

    I just wonder what his game is, since his favored Republican candidates locally (the ones he endorses) seem to get their asses handed to them by voters choosing the Trump pick.

    But I guess being a fence-sitting shitlord is just way more profitable for him and his family right now. Shame West Virginia keeps electing dogshit candidates.
    To add - it's also worth noting...fairly performative vote given that they don't have 60 votes to end a filibuster threat.

    But not much will change on that front until Manchin and Sinema are irrelevant.

  12. #1292
    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Senate voted to codify and was defeated 51-49. Manchin voted with the Republicans.

    I just hate this dog and pony show. Feckless Dems pulling this shit with no chance of winning. Oh btw the typical passive, aggressive Dems using this as "we got them on record" and lets vote and fundraise against it is week. Effin Dems!

    Murkowski and Collins voted "No" with Republicans. Shocking! They supposedly did their own water downed bill. Manchin too stated that the Dem bill gave tooooooo much leniency on abortion.
    You seem to hold a lot more vitriol toward democrats than you do republicans in a lot of your posts. Is this just because you already expect republicans to be the dogshit side so it's the norm?

    The result of this vote could have been predicted a year ago, tbh.

  13. #1293
    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Senate voted to codify and was defeated 51-49. Manchin voted with the Republicans.

    I just hate this dog and pony show. Feckless Dems pulling this shit with no chance of winning. Oh btw the typical passive, aggressive Dems using this as "we got them on record" and lets vote and fundraise against it is week. Effin Dems!

    Murkowski and Collins voted "No" with Republicans. Shocking! They supposedly did their own water downed bill. Manchin too stated that the Dem bill gave tooooooo much leniency on abortion.
    No effort from Schumer to preserve current law under Roe in order to get a "messaging" bill 52 votes. He gets 49. The bill fails outright, no failure to overcome filibuster, no "blocked by evil Republicans and evil filibuster," just fails to get a majority in a procedural vote.

    Schumer: Wait guys, we have Senate Republicans on record ... as a bipartisan majority defeats the bill.

    He's giving Pelosi a run for her money in worst person on Democratic leadership on the Hill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    You seem to hold a lot more vitriol toward democrats than you do republicans in a lot of your posts. Is this just because you already expect republicans to be the dogshit side so it's the norm?

    The result of this vote could have been predicted a year ago, tbh.
    Or 5, or any time under Obama, both Bush's, Reagan, Carter, Ford or Nixon.

    Regardless, no one has any fucking right to tell another human what they can or cannot do with their own body, even suicide. Thise that want to control bodily autonomy have no right to claim muh freedumz ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    No effort from Schumer to preserve current law under Roe in order to get a "messaging" bill 52 votes. He gets 49. The bill fails outright, no failure to overcome filibuster, no "blocked by evil Republicans and evil filibuster," just fails to get a majority in a procedural vote.

    Schumer: Wait guys, we have Senate Republicans on record ... as a bipartisan majority defeats the bill.

    He's giving Pelosi a run for her money in worst person on Democratic leadership on the Hill.
    Funny how it's a bipartisan majority with 1 Democrats, but you guys love to not accept a bipartisan majority saved the ACA with 1 Republican vote, or any other time a few pubes crossed rank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Yeah, if only they could get that “lady who means business” to vote to kill the filibuster. Oh well.
    It's not about that and killing the filibuster wouldn't have made a difference in this case. This is something Dems can campaign on especially since the vast majority of states that house these GOP senators have kill Switch laws that go into effect making it felony murder to abort. Which is something an overwhelming amount of Dems and Indies and a large share of repubs are very concerned over. This could be a big deal in some Senate races especially since gerrymandering doesn't matter for senate races and some GOP senators have openly stated they would consider coming for contraception, gay and interracial marriage.

  15. #1295
    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhammer View Post
    Funny how it's a bipartisan majority with 1 Democrats, but you guys love to not accept a bipartisan majority saved the ACA with 1 Republican vote, or any other time a few pubes crossed rank.
    A bipartisan majority defeated the bill to change, or reform, the ACA. A bipartisan majority rejected Schumer's abortion bill. I'm fine on both. (ACA was 3 Republican flips, by the way. For the record.)
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  16. #1296
    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    A bipartisan majority defeated the bill to change, or reform, the ACA. A bipartisan majority rejected Schumer's abortion bill. I'm fine on both. (ACA was 3 Republican flips, by the way. For the record.)
    No they didn't. Manchin is a Republican with a D next to his name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    No they didn't. Manchin is a Republican with a D next to his name.
    This. You'd be hard pressed to call any of the ACA flips "Democrats with an R next to their name".

    Then again, considering tehdang's dishonest hyperfocusing on the exceeding minority of abortions done in the late term I'm not surprised he's trying to claim this as a victory for his depraved views.
    holy shit, we actually have the nofly list. holy fucking bingle. what?! :3

  18. #1298
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    No they didn't. Manchin is a Republican with a D next to his name.
    He's not. He's a Democrat. But we all know he's a very, very, very conservative Democrat. He's a shit, but that's the only Democrat WV was going to send to the Senate. And without him there wouldn't be an infrastructure bill or the ARA. I ain't praising him for this, so power down weapons, but it's just a reality.

  19. #1299
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    No they didn't. Manchin is a Republican with a D next to his name.
    If Manchin were a Republican with a little typo, McConnell would be majority leader, and this bill might be a laugh line in a subcommittee. It matters that Manchin is a Democrat. Your personal distaste for his Democrat-In-Name-Only is beside the point.

    He's actually the most liked Democratic Senator in your entire damned caucus, if we poll Senators within their state.
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  20. #1300
    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    He's actually the most liked Democratic Senator in your entire damned caucus, if we poll Senators within their state.
    Wait what? This seems like a weirdly specific poll. You got a link? Not that I doubt you, but more that I'm just curious who would commission such an oddly specific poll with such limited value in it. And to see what the other poll numbers are like.

    Edit: Unless you're wording "he's popular with voters in his state" weirdly - https://www.wboy.com/news/west-virgi...west-virginia/

    Though if you go to the poll it appears that Patrick Leahy is actually the most popular Democratic Senator with voters in his home state, and if we actually take the disapproval rating into the final number then Manchin would also be behind Ed Markey (-2% positive approval, but also -7% to disapproval, resulting in Markey coming out with a +5 over Manchin).
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